To be fair (at least to the freshmen pre-season rankings and other HS rankings), they are made by looking at the player within the context of the high school game. College is a different game with different team needs, tactics, systems, rules, etc. IMO it is extremely difficult to project how players players will do in college in many team sports, including lacrosse (as opposed to individual sports or team sports that are very individually skill-based like swimming, track, gymnastics, baseball, softball, etc.)LaxDadMax wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:08 pmjff97 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:57 am ILWomen put out their freshman impact rankings, a list of the top 25 freshman in the country so far. Here's where they were in the publications recruting rankings that were released before the season. They ranked the top 50 players, then listed the next best 50 players in alphabetical order. Use this to further whatever agenda you wish.
25. Joely Caramelli, M, Syracuse 4-star watch list
24. Kyra Obert, M/A, Denver 4-star watch list
23. Payton Tini, M, Rutgers 4-star watch list
22. Katie Clare, M, Yale #42, 4-star
21. Ashley Dyer, D, Florida #22, 5-star
20. Laura O'Connor, G, Yale unranked
19. Alex Gladding, D, Vanderbilt unranked
18. Codi Johnson, D, Brown 4-star watch list
17. Catherine Berkey, A, Penn unranked
16. Olivia Ripple, M, Denver 4-star watch list
15. Anna Regan, M/Draw, USC 4-star watch list
14. Maisy Clevenger, M, Maryland #6, 5-star
13. Mikayla Williams, M, Navy unranked
12. Kate Galica, M, Virginia 4-star watch list
11. Fiona O'Keefe, A, Dartmouth unranked
10. Regan Byrne, A, Clemson #13, 5-star
9. Lydia Colasante, D, Boston College #3, 5-star
8. Madison Alaimo, A, Virginia #39, 4-star
7. Eva Ingrilli, A, North Carolina #17, 5-star
6. Ava Bleckley, D, James Madison #20, 5-star
5. GraceAnn Leonard, M, North Carolina #23, 5-star
4. Natalie Shurtleff, M, Clemson #2, 5-star
3. Kaci Benoit D, Syracuse #12, 5-star
2. Jenna DiNardo, A, Virginia 4-star watch list
1. Aliya Polisky, A, Stanford #14, 5-star
No offense to anyone on this list, but whoever made these rankings doesn't watch much lax.
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Great article.....100% accurate. My daughter was recruited by KAH and everything she says in the article is exactly what she and her staff said to my daughter throughout the process. Totally professional and transparent.
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What did you think of Hotcakes in Wilmette?
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Nothing special, quaint breakfast spot.
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Sounds as if you should've taken a trip up Cuse way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNR1VL3TWZg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNR1VL3TWZg
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Looks outstanding. My kind of place.DMac wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 12:44 pm Sounds as if you should've taken a trip up Cuse way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNR1VL3TWZg
(You one of the regulars filing in there or sitting at one of the tables, D?)
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Never been there. Can't get real excited about pancakes but you can bet that syrup is real good.
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After reading so much information and data on this site, I thought I would throw out a question to see if anyone has done the research to help future recruits. Does anyone know a breakdown of playing minutes by class per school. An example, NW has played 17 games this year for a total of 1020 minutes for the team and a total of 12240 minutes combined for a 12 woman roster. What percentage of those minutes were played by freshman/sophmores/jr/sr/grad. Love to be able to understand which coaches play younger talent vs upper class/grad to help with future decisions and help the recruits understand generalized playing expectations. Good luck mathletes.wlaxphan20 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:03 amTo be fair (at least to the freshmen pre-season rankings and other HS rankings), they are made by looking at the player within the context of the high school game. College is a different game with different team needs, tactics, systems, rules, etc. IMO it is extremely difficult to project how players players will do in college in many team sports, including lacrosse (as opposed to individual sports or team sports that are very individually skill-based like swimming, track, gymnastics, baseball, softball, etc.)LaxDadMax wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:08 pmjff97 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:57 am ILWomen put out their freshman impact rankings, a list of the top 25 freshman in the country so far. Here's where they were in the publications recruting rankings that were released before the season. They ranked the top 50 players, then listed the next best 50 players in alphabetical order. Use this to further whatever agenda you wish.
25. Joely Caramelli, M, Syracuse 4-star watch list
24. Kyra Obert, M/A, Denver 4-star watch list
23. Payton Tini, M, Rutgers 4-star watch list
22. Katie Clare, M, Yale #42, 4-star
21. Ashley Dyer, D, Florida #22, 5-star
20. Laura O'Connor, G, Yale unranked
19. Alex Gladding, D, Vanderbilt unranked
18. Codi Johnson, D, Brown 4-star watch list
17. Catherine Berkey, A, Penn unranked
16. Olivia Ripple, M, Denver 4-star watch list
15. Anna Regan, M/Draw, USC 4-star watch list
14. Maisy Clevenger, M, Maryland #6, 5-star
13. Mikayla Williams, M, Navy unranked
12. Kate Galica, M, Virginia 4-star watch list
11. Fiona O'Keefe, A, Dartmouth unranked
10. Regan Byrne, A, Clemson #13, 5-star
9. Lydia Colasante, D, Boston College #3, 5-star
8. Madison Alaimo, A, Virginia #39, 4-star
7. Eva Ingrilli, A, North Carolina #17, 5-star
6. Ava Bleckley, D, James Madison #20, 5-star
5. GraceAnn Leonard, M, North Carolina #23, 5-star
4. Natalie Shurtleff, M, Clemson #2, 5-star
3. Kaci Benoit D, Syracuse #12, 5-star
2. Jenna DiNardo, A, Virginia 4-star watch list
1. Aliya Polisky, A, Stanford #14, 5-star
No offense to anyone on this list, but whoever made these rankings doesn't watch much lax.
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Each player is an individual. To try to make some kind of math formula about playing time disregards the human element. Madison Taylor played (with a great deal of poise and fearlessness) in every game as a frosh for Northwestern, whereas highly touted Mallory Hasselbeck has been an abject bust for Boston College.
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Coaches are playing the best players period. Even at the highest level of HS, the gap in strategy and tactics between high school and D1 women's lacrosse is massive, especially on the defensive side of the ball. For the best players, it probably takes 1.5 years to learn more programs system which all of the reads, slide patterns, etc.Bdgr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:33 amAfter reading so much information and data on this site, I thought I would throw out a question to see if anyone has done the research to help future recruits. Does anyone know a breakdown of playing minutes by class per school. An example, NW has played 17 games this year for a total of 1020 minutes for the team and a total of 12240 minutes combined for a 12 woman roster. What percentage of those minutes were played by freshman/sophmores/jr/sr/grad. Love to be able to understand which coaches play younger talent vs upper class/grad to help with future decisions and help the recruits understand generalized playing expectations. Good luck mathletes.wlaxphan20 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:03 amTo be fair (at least to the freshmen pre-season rankings and other HS rankings), they are made by looking at the player within the context of the high school game. College is a different game with different team needs, tactics, systems, rules, etc. IMO it is extremely difficult to project how players players will do in college in many team sports, including lacrosse (as opposed to individual sports or team sports that are very individually skill-based like swimming, track, gymnastics, baseball, softball, etc.)LaxDadMax wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:08 pmjff97 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:57 am ILWomen put out their freshman impact rankings, a list of the top 25 freshman in the country so far. Here's where they were in the publications recruting rankings that were released before the season. They ranked the top 50 players, then listed the next best 50 players in alphabetical order. Use this to further whatever agenda you wish.
25. Joely Caramelli, M, Syracuse 4-star watch list
24. Kyra Obert, M/A, Denver 4-star watch list
23. Payton Tini, M, Rutgers 4-star watch list
22. Katie Clare, M, Yale #42, 4-star
21. Ashley Dyer, D, Florida #22, 5-star
20. Laura O'Connor, G, Yale unranked
19. Alex Gladding, D, Vanderbilt unranked
18. Codi Johnson, D, Brown 4-star watch list
17. Catherine Berkey, A, Penn unranked
16. Olivia Ripple, M, Denver 4-star watch list
15. Anna Regan, M/Draw, USC 4-star watch list
14. Maisy Clevenger, M, Maryland #6, 5-star
13. Mikayla Williams, M, Navy unranked
12. Kate Galica, M, Virginia 4-star watch list
11. Fiona O'Keefe, A, Dartmouth unranked
10. Regan Byrne, A, Clemson #13, 5-star
9. Lydia Colasante, D, Boston College #3, 5-star
8. Madison Alaimo, A, Virginia #39, 4-star
7. Eva Ingrilli, A, North Carolina #17, 5-star
6. Ava Bleckley, D, James Madison #20, 5-star
5. GraceAnn Leonard, M, North Carolina #23, 5-star
4. Natalie Shurtleff, M, Clemson #2, 5-star
3. Kaci Benoit D, Syracuse #12, 5-star
2. Jenna DiNardo, A, Virginia 4-star watch list
1. Aliya Polisky, A, Stanford #14, 5-star
No offense to anyone on this list, but whoever made these rankings doesn't watch much lax.
I highly doubt ANY top 20 coaches is expecting any recruit to contribute in her first (or in some cases even second year). If It happens, great. But definitely not built into depth chart planning
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To just look at minutes by class probably won't give you the full picture. There are a lot of moving parts that go into it. You need to at least take in to consideration graduation losses, injuries, transfer portal, the type of system a program plays, etc. And all of those different parts are constantly changing for each program, and even taking those things into consideration, I don't think you're going to get a clear picture.Bdgr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:33 amAfter reading so much information and data on this site, I thought I would throw out a question to see if anyone has done the research to help future recruits. Does anyone know a breakdown of playing minutes by class per school. An example, NW has played 17 games this year for a total of 1020 minutes for the team and a total of 12240 minutes combined for a 12 woman roster. What percentage of those minutes were played by freshman/sophmores/jr/sr/grad. Love to be able to understand which coaches play younger talent vs upper class/grad to help with future decisions and help the recruits understand generalized playing expectations. Good luck mathletes.wlaxphan20 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:03 amTo be fair (at least to the freshmen pre-season rankings and other HS rankings), they are made by looking at the player within the context of the high school game. College is a different game with different team needs, tactics, systems, rules, etc. IMO it is extremely difficult to project how players players will do in college in many team sports, including lacrosse (as opposed to individual sports or team sports that are very individually skill-based like swimming, track, gymnastics, baseball, softball, etc.)LaxDadMax wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:08 pmjff97 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:57 am ILWomen put out their freshman impact rankings, a list of the top 25 freshman in the country so far. Here's where they were in the publications recruting rankings that were released before the season. They ranked the top 50 players, then listed the next best 50 players in alphabetical order. Use this to further whatever agenda you wish.
25. Joely Caramelli, M, Syracuse 4-star watch list
24. Kyra Obert, M/A, Denver 4-star watch list
23. Payton Tini, M, Rutgers 4-star watch list
22. Katie Clare, M, Yale #42, 4-star
21. Ashley Dyer, D, Florida #22, 5-star
20. Laura O'Connor, G, Yale unranked
19. Alex Gladding, D, Vanderbilt unranked
18. Codi Johnson, D, Brown 4-star watch list
17. Catherine Berkey, A, Penn unranked
16. Olivia Ripple, M, Denver 4-star watch list
15. Anna Regan, M/Draw, USC 4-star watch list
14. Maisy Clevenger, M, Maryland #6, 5-star
13. Mikayla Williams, M, Navy unranked
12. Kate Galica, M, Virginia 4-star watch list
11. Fiona O'Keefe, A, Dartmouth unranked
10. Regan Byrne, A, Clemson #13, 5-star
9. Lydia Colasante, D, Boston College #3, 5-star
8. Madison Alaimo, A, Virginia #39, 4-star
7. Eva Ingrilli, A, North Carolina #17, 5-star
6. Ava Bleckley, D, James Madison #20, 5-star
5. GraceAnn Leonard, M, North Carolina #23, 5-star
4. Natalie Shurtleff, M, Clemson #2, 5-star
3. Kaci Benoit D, Syracuse #12, 5-star
2. Jenna DiNardo, A, Virginia 4-star watch list
1. Aliya Polisky, A, Stanford #14, 5-star
No offense to anyone on this list, but whoever made these rankings doesn't watch much lax.
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D is in the transfer portal and got an email from Verified Athletics asking her to fill out a survey with her information to act as a sort of transfer recruiting profile. Is this site legit? Does anyone have any experience with it?
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My daughter was in the portal and I don't have any recollection of this step. I would check with her current HC.
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From the great compiler of all thoughts, Reddit:watcherinthewoods wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 12:14 pmMy daughter was in the portal and I don't have any recollection of this step. I would check with her current HC.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToColl ... egitimate/
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Seems like it's just a service trying to make money off people. As most who have been through the HS recruiting process know, there are several companies that try to do the same at that stage making all sorts of promises. College coaches monitor the portal heavily and reach out to players they are interested in. In my opinion, there's no need for a service for transferring. Once you're in the portal you can reach out to whoever you want. They'll either return your call or they won't. They aren't going to listen to someone at Verified Athletic's opinion on the matter. Some of my friend's kids have gone into the portal and all were contacted by schools they hadn't even reached out to. I can't see what a service could do to help with this process.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 12:19 pmFrom the great compiler of all thoughts, Reddit:watcherinthewoods wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 12:14 pmMy daughter was in the portal and I don't have any recollection of this step. I would check with her current HC.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToColl ... egitimate/
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Thank you all!! Much appreciatedhmmm wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 12:24 pmSeems like it's just a service trying to make money off people. As most who have been through the HS recruiting process know, there are several companies that try to do the same at that stage making all sorts of promises. College coaches monitor the portal heavily and reach out to players there are interested in. In my opinion, there's no need for a service for transferring. Once you're in the portal you can reach out to whoever you want. They'll either return your call or they won't. They aren't going to listen to someone at Verified Athletic's opinion on the matter. Some of my friend's kids have gone into the portal and all were contacted by schools they hadn't even reached out to. I can't see what a service could do to help with this process.Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 12:19 pmFrom the great compiler of all thoughts, Reddit:watcherinthewoods wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 12:14 pmMy daughter was in the portal and I don't have any recollection of this step. I would check with her current HC.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToColl ... egitimate/
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Curious to know when the portal officially opens/closes. Assume we'll start hearing about girls on the move soon...
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Look at me! I can google lol...
Officially opens May 12 and closes June 10...
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_cen ... indows.pdf
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And that's only for non-grads. Grad transfers can go into portal as soon as their season ends. It's why you are already seeing destinations announced for Ivy players on the men's side.spidey44 wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 1:28 pmLook at me! I can google lol...
Officially opens May 12 and closes June 10...
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_cen ... indows.pdf