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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:46 am Here's the result of misinformation and the traitors who want to install this Moron. This is what you are voting for, or working towards by doing things that might place this person back in the White House

https://time.com/6972021/donald-trump-2 ... interview/

"What emerged in two interviews with Trump, and conversations with more than a dozen of his closest advisers and confidants, were the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world.

To carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, Trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the U.S. military, both at the border and inland.

He would let red states monitor women’s pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans.

He would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by Congress, according to top advisers.

He would be willing to fire a U.S. Attorney who doesn’t carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from America’s founding.

He is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury.

He might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in Europe or Asia if he felt that country wasn’t paying enough for its own defense.

He would gut the U.S. civil service, deploy the National Guard to American cities as he sees fit, close the White House pandemic-preparedness office, and staff his Administration with acolytes who back his false assertion that the 2020 election was stolen."
I think a lot of the Magats have no idea exactly how fcuked up things will become if this comes to pass.

As the recent event in Charlotte aptly demonstrates, it doesn’t take many people to create quite a mess.

There are too many weapons, too much ammo, and too many inflamed passions for something horrific not to occur.

Magatism: best investment Pootin ever made.
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PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:25 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:46 am Here's the result of misinformation and the traitors who want to install this Moron. This is what you are voting for, or working towards by doing things that might place this person back in the White House

https://time.com/6972021/donald-trump-2 ... interview/

"What emerged in two interviews with Trump, and conversations with more than a dozen of his closest advisers and confidants, were the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world.

To carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, Trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the U.S. military, both at the border and inland.

He would let red states monitor women’s pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans.

He would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by Congress, according to top advisers.

He would be willing to fire a U.S. Attorney who doesn’t carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from America’s founding.

He is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury.

He might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in Europe or Asia if he felt that country wasn’t paying enough for its own defense.

He would gut the U.S. civil service, deploy the National Guard to American cities as he sees fit, close the White House pandemic-preparedness office, and staff his Administration with acolytes who back his false assertion that the 2020 election was stolen."
I think a lot of the Magats have no idea exactly how fcuked up things will become if this comes to pass.

As the recent event in Charlotte aptly demonstrates, it doesn’t take many people to create quite a mess.

There are too many weapons, too much ammo, and too many inflamed passions for something horrific not to occur.

Magatism: best investment Pootin ever made.
I dunno, the same Democrats predicted the same chaos from Trump's first administration. Are you liberals suddenly better at prognosticating the future? Understanding the liberal mentality like I do y'all are just trying to scare the chit out of people. That is your best approach given the effing brain damaged moron you folks are running. Is this quote from BHO true???
Never underestimate Joe Bidens ability to F**K things up. :D
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1/6 was pretty chaotic.
Boycott stupid. If you ignore the gator troll, eventually he'll just go back under his bridge.
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ggait wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 10:23 pm 1/6 was pretty chaotic.
COVID was also pretty chaotic. Only like a million Americans dead and zero leadership from the CinC.
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 12:00 am
ggait wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 10:23 pm 1/6 was pretty chaotic.
COVID was also pretty chaotic. Only like a million Americans dead and zero leadership from the CinC.
Was that the same leadership that gave King Andy everything he asked for? He asked for $$$$ to convert The Javits center to a temporary hospital. Trump made that happen. King Andy wanted $$$$$ to bring the hospital ship Mercy into NY harbor. Trump made that happen. We can forget the fact that in both instances the money spent was wasted because those assets were never needed. Do you remember that King Andy and Gavin Newsome both heaped praise on trump for providing the assistance they requested. If your going to make yourself look like an ass you might wanna do your homework first. Unless you define zero leadership as granting the requests of the governors of 2 very large states? :roll:
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cradleandshoot wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 6:13 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 12:00 am
ggait wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 10:23 pm 1/6 was pretty chaotic.
COVID was also pretty chaotic. Only like a million Americans dead and zero leadership from the CinC.
Was that the same leadership that gave King Andy everything he asked for? He asked for $$$$ to convert The Javits center to a temporary hospital. Trump made that happen. King Andy wanted $$$$$ to bring the hospital ship Mercy into NY harbor. Trump made that happen. We can forget the fact that in both instances the money spent was wasted because those assets were never needed. Do you remember that King Andy and Gavin Newsome both heaped praise on trump for providing the assistance they requested. If your going to make yourself look like an ass you might wanna do your homework first. Unless you define zero leadership as granting the requests of the governors of 2 very large states? :roll:
Do you know if they had syringes full of bleach and UV enemas on the Mercy? :lol:

"Siri, define hyperbole for C&S"

Most of the funding came from Congress passing bills. But it's fun that in your rant, you admit Trump's leadership was a failure. All because some of the initial money was wasted (you know, as we were still learning about the virus).

That great leadership by Trump that you admire really stopped the pandemic in its tracks. Yessirree. You certainly showed me. He did great!
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 9:22 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 6:13 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 12:00 am
ggait wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 10:23 pm 1/6 was pretty chaotic.
COVID was also pretty chaotic. Only like a million Americans dead and zero leadership from the CinC.
Was that the same leadership that gave King Andy everything he asked for? He asked for $$$$ to convert The Javits center to a temporary hospital. Trump made that happen. King Andy wanted $$$$$ to bring the hospital ship Mercy into NY harbor. Trump made that happen. We can forget the fact that in both instances the money spent was wasted because those assets were never needed. Do you remember that King Andy and Gavin Newsome both heaped praise on trump for providing the assistance they requested. If your going to make yourself look like an ass you might wanna do your homework first. Unless you define zero leadership as granting the requests of the governors of 2 very large states? :roll:
Do you know if they had syringes full of bleach and UV enemas on the Mercy? :lol:

"Siri, define hyperbole for C&S"

Most of the funding came from Congress passing bills. But it's fun that in your rant, you admit Trump's leadership was a failure. All because some of the initial money was wasted (you know, as we were still learning about the virus).

That great leadership by Trump that you admire really stopped the pandemic in its tracks. Yessirree. You certainly showed me. He did great!
Let's not forget individual rolls of paper towels thrown to reports for hurricane relief...
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CU88a wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 10:48 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 9:22 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 6:13 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri May 03, 2024 12:00 am
ggait wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 10:23 pm 1/6 was pretty chaotic.
COVID was also pretty chaotic. Only like a million Americans dead and zero leadership from the CinC.
Was that the same leadership that gave King Andy everything he asked for? He asked for $$$$ to convert The Javits center to a temporary hospital. Trump made that happen. King Andy wanted $$$$$ to bring the hospital ship Mercy into NY harbor. Trump made that happen. We can forget the fact that in both instances the money spent was wasted because those assets were never needed. Do you remember that King Andy and Gavin Newsome both heaped praise on trump for providing the assistance they requested. If your going to make yourself look like an ass you might wanna do your homework first. Unless you define zero leadership as granting the requests of the governors of 2 very large states? :roll:
Do you know if they had syringes full of bleach and UV enemas on the Mercy? :lol:

"Siri, define hyperbole for C&S"

Most of the funding came from Congress passing bills. But it's fun that in your rant, you admit Trump's leadership was a failure. All because some of the initial money was wasted (you know, as we were still learning about the virus).

That great leadership by Trump that you admire really stopped the pandemic in its tracks. Yessirree. You certainly showed me. He did great!
Let's not forget individual rolls of paper towels thrown to reports for hurricane relief...
You really suck at your pathetic attempt to spin. King Andy and Gavin Newsome publicly thanked trump for his help during COVID. They needed money 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑💰💰💰 💰💰💰🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑 and money they received.
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WHO IS BOBBY KENNEDY?
He is nuts and disturbed. He's angry. His own family hates him. Kennedy is a humorless bully living in a paranoid fantasy. What the fu** is wrong with Bobby Kennedy? He is vile. Being with him was the low point of my summer. He's completely divorced from reality. Bobby Kennedy speaks with a croaking, grasping, painful-sounding voice. His vague explanation is that it's a virus when it is more likely that it is a crackpipe voice. Kennedy is a crank.

https://youtu.be/guw1fLJs5EY?si=nLeLOI9CY4icltUF
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Dismantling the Disinformation Police
https://intelligencer.today/dismantling ... 2024/7814/
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In a stunning move, CIA Director William Burns moved to invoke “State Secrets Privilege” to halt a lawsuit brought by four Americans who allege that the CIA violated their Fourth Amendment rights by unlawfully spying on them while meeting with WikiLeaks Publisher Julian Assange. Last December, a federal judge in the Southern District of New York ruled that the four plaintiffs could proceed with their lawsuit against the CIA.


https://intelligencer.today/cia-directo ... 2024/7769/
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rasheed wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 11:56 pm WHO IS BOBBY KENNEDY?
He is nuts and disturbed. He's angry. His own family hates him. Kennedy is a humorless bully living in a paranoid fantasy. What the fu** is wrong with Bobby Kennedy? He is vile. Being with him was the low point of my summer. He's completely divorced from reality. Bobby Kennedy speaks with a croaking, grasping, painful-sounding voice. His vague explanation is that it's a virus when it is more likely that it is a crackpipe voice. Kennedy is a crank.

https://youtu.be/guw1fLJs5EY?si=nLeLOI9CY4icltUF
What the f**k was wrong with Teddy Kennedy? He was a drunken, lowlife piece of garbage that was the " lion of the Senate" and is still beloved by many Democrats still today. If your looking for any semblance of normalcy in the Kennedy clan you'll be looking for a very long time.
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So much for law and order...

https://www.newsweek.com/tim-scott-elec ... rm-1897465

In an astonishing exchange on Meet the Press this morning, Senator Tim Scott (R-SC), who is angling to become Trump’s vice presidential pick, refused six times to say he would accept the results of the 2024 election if Trump didn’t win. Host Kristen Welker asked: “Will you commit to accepting the election results of 2024?” Scott responded: “At the end of the day, the 47th president of the United States will be President Donald Trump.” Welker followed up: “Yes or no, will you accept the election results of 2024 no matter who wins?” Scott answered: “That is my statement.”

When Welker continued to push the question, Scott accused NBC of working for the “Democrat Party” but refused ever to agree to the peaceful transition of power, which, as Welker noted, is the hallmark of the democratic republic people like John Adams established in 1789.
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CU88a wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 8:52 am So much for law and order...

https://www.newsweek.com/tim-scott-elec ... rm-1897465

In an astonishing exchange on Meet the Press this morning, Senator Tim Scott (R-SC), who is angling to become Trump’s vice presidential pick, refused six times to say he would accept the results of the 2024 election if Trump didn’t win. Host Kristen Welker asked: “Will you commit to accepting the election results of 2024?” Scott responded: “At the end of the day, the 47th president of the United States will be President Donald Trump.” Welker followed up: “Yes or no, will you accept the election results of 2024 no matter who wins?” Scott answered: “That is my statement.”

When Welker continued to push the question, Scott accused NBC of working for the “Democrat Party” but refused ever to agree to the peaceful transition of power, which, as Welker noted, is the hallmark of the democratic republic people like John Adams established in 1789.
I watched this, for some reason, in real time and it was both astonishing and predictable. Astonishing that a Senator would refuse to simply say, "yes," and predictable because Scott is simply interviewing for the Moron's VP job. Very sad what this party has done to the country.
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They've been backing themselves into a political corner so long they're up on their toenails now and teetering on total collapse. Look no further than the fact that the Trump "base" is calling the shots in every way at this point...from the hypocritical "evangelicals" to the brownshirt militia types to the cowed 1%ers trying to hold their tongues (and their breath) so hard they're turning beet red (pun intended?) in the hopes of more furtive, mis-labelled "tax breaks" and more control of their favored form of aggressive corporatocracy.

The big lie that is 21st century rightwing "ideology" is rotting and dissolving before our eyes...the 2024 election may well be the fatal tipping point for this nonsense.

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Always nice to see someone with a moral compass:

https://www.ajc.com/opinion/geoff-dunca ... JKMNPCDKQ/

"It’s disappointing to watch an increasing number of Republicans fall in line behind former president Donald Trump. This includes some of his fiercest detractors, such as U.S. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu and former U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr, who raised eyebrows during a recent interview by vowing to support the “Republican ticket.”

This mentality is dead wrong.

Yes, elections are a binary choice. Yes, serious questions linger about President Biden’s ability to serve until the age of 86. His progressive policies aren’t to conservatives’ liking.

But the GOP will never rebuild until we move on from the Trump era, leaving conservative (but not angry) Republicans like me no choice but to pull the lever for Biden. At the same time, we should work to elect GOP congressional majorities to block his second-term legislative agenda and provide a check and balance.

The alternative is another term of Trump, a man who has disqualified himself through his conduct and his character. The headlines are ablaze with his hush-money trial over allegations of improper record-keeping for payments to conceal an affair with an adult-film star.

Most important, Trump fanned the flames of unfounded conspiracy theories that led to the horrific events of Jan. 6, 2021. He refuses to admit he lost the last election and has hinted he might do so again after the next one.

Those holding their nose and falling behind Trump tend to rely on similar arguments. Sometimes it involves, as Barr stated in his CNN interview, the, “duty to pick the person who I think would do the least damage to the country.”

Ironically, having served as his attorney general until December 2020, Barr saw firsthand Trump’s ability to cause damage. Barr’s declaration that the U.S. Justice Department uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election infuriated his boss and set off a chain of events that ended with Jan. 6.

Trump and his allies hatched cockamamie schemes that included fake slates of electors and have led to indictments (so far) in Arizona, Michigan, Nevada and Georgia. They spread wild-eyed conspiracy theories that resulted in defamation lawsuits, including a $148 million verdict against former Trump lawyer and New York mayor Rudy Giuliani.

Other reluctant Trump supporters will cite their policy differences with Biden. Or Trump’s accomplishments as president, ranging from the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 to three appointments to the U.S. Supreme Court. Or they will point to the sense of chaos sweeping the nation right now, most notably the widespread anti-Israel protests at college campuses.

I get it. No one likes paying higher taxes, and these protests are unsettling. But the last year of the Trump presidency was hardly a time of tranquility. His handling of the pandemic was erratic, including at one point musing about consuming disinfectants. His reliance on incendiary phrases such as “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” fueled racial unrest. His infamous march to St. John’s Episcopal Church across the street from the White House, flanked by top aides (including Barr) and brandishing a Bible, further set the nation ablaze.

Trump has shown us who he is. We should believe him. To think he is going to change at the age of 77 is beyond improbable.

Yet each new day increases the possibility of a second Trump presidency. Voters’ memories are short. A new CNN survey showed a majority (55%) of all Americans viewing Trump’s presidency as a success, while 44% see it as a failure. Compare that with Biden, whom only 39% call a success compared with 61% who think his term has been a failure. The same poll shows Trump with a 6-point national polling lead over Biden, whose approval rating (38%) is well below the 50% threshold of reelected incumbent presidents.

The situation is equally bleak in the battleground states that will determine the next occupant of the White House. A recent poll from the Wall Street Journal showed Trump leading in six out of seven of those states. If these results hold, he will have more than enough electoral votes for a second term.

The healing of the Republican Party cannot begin with Trump as president (and that’s aside from the untold damage that potentially awaits our country). A forthcoming Time magazine cover story lays out in stark terms “the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world.”

Unlike Trump, I’ve belonged to the GOP my entire life. This November, I am voting for a decent person I disagree with on policy over a criminal defendant without a moral compass."
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Coming attractions -- daily press conferences & campaign rallies from the lobby of Trump Tower if the Judge muzzles Trump with home detention.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/j ... an-option/

Judge Merchan’s Threat to Detain Trump for Contempt: Is Home Confinement an Option?

by ANDREW C. MCCARTHY, May 6, 2024

...it would be politically disastrous for Democrats if Judge Juan Merchan were to follow through on his threat to jail former President Donald Trump if the latter continues to flout the court’s gag order. Merchan held Trump in contempt again this morning and fined him another $1,000, bringing the total during trial to $10,000. Under New York law, the potential contempt penalty is up to $1,000 and a potential 30 days’ detention for each offense. So far, Merchan has stuck to fines, which are not apt to deter a billionaire who is running for the nation’s highest office.

The Times reports that the Trump campaign is already fundraising off Merchan’s threat of imprisonment. That underscores the power of the issue.

First, detention would generate resentment among not only Trump supporters but others who may be indifferent (or worse) to Trump but are agitated by the Democrats’ use of the legal system to punish their principal political adversary.

Second, detention would draw more attention to both the ridiculous case brought by Manhattan’s elected progressive Democratic prosecutor, whose usual default position is to shun aggressive prosecution (at least when serious crime is involved), and the political bias of Judge Merchan, who got his spot on the bench in a Democratic Party–dominated system, who made a small-dollar donation to the Biden campaign against Trump in 2020, and whose daughter is a progressive operative, running a political outfit that provides campaign services to high-profile Democrats – including such Trump nemeses as Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, and Representative Adam Schiff.

The potential detention issue also illustrates a rarely noticed aspect of politics in our federalist system: While Democrats nationally and Manhattan Democrats have lots of common ground, including intense opposition to Trump, their interests are not identical. To the extent any detention of Trump would help Trump politically, that is bad for the Biden campaign. It is not, however, bad for Bragg insofar as his political ambitions in New York are concerned.

To win the DA post, Bragg campaigned on his long record (as a high-ranking lawyer in the state attorney general’s office) of using state power punitively against Trump and his business empire. It is awful for the country that such unabashed politicization of law-enforcement is a credential, rather than a disqualifier. It is simply a fact, however, that progressives approve of “the process is the penalty.” The public in blue states and big blue cities is inclined to reward progressives, such as Bragg and state attorney general Letitia James, who vow that, if elected, they will use the powers of their offices against people, entities, and causes that progressives despise.

Consequently, even if an order detaining Trump for contempt cold damage Biden, it would be coup for Bragg. He will be rewarded by New York Democrats for sticking it to Trump – even if Trump somehow beats the case at trial or on appeal. That is why Bragg’s office is encouraging Merchan to incarcerate Trump even as that prospect must unnerve the Biden campaign.

The logistics of detaining Trump would be challenging, to put it mildly. Undoubtedly, there are conversations ongoing regarding that contingency among the Secret Service, the NYPD, the DA’s office, and potentially the state corrections department.

Normally, a defendant who has not been convicted and sentenced would be detained during trial at either the Manhattan Detention Complex (infamously known as “The Tombs,” near the courthouse), or at the even more infamous Rikers Island. It is hard to imagine either of these facilities as an option for detaining Trump, who presents extraordinary security issues. The former president would have to have round-the-clock Secret Service protection while in custody, so I have to think the Secret Service and the city are thinking about other NYPD- and DA-controlled holding facilities that could be “hardened” for security purposes.

It seems to me that another possibility would be home confinement. Obviously, a person could be ordered detained at worse places than a luxury duplex in Trump Tower. Such an arrangement might thus ameliorate some of the explosive political fallout from incarcerating a former president who just happens to be the de facto 2024 Republican nominee for the presidency.

On the other hand, home detention would only highlight that an objective of the Democrats’ lawfare strategy is to prevent Trump from campaigning.

The purpose of detaining Trump would be to bend his will so that he complies with the gag order. Home confinement would accomplish that purpose only if its duration is long enough to prevent Trump from campaigning on Wednesdays, weekends, and other times when the trial is not in session. Yet, a punitive measure overtly designed to hurt Trump by obstructing his 2024 campaign would simply underscore that the Democrats’ motive for prosecuting Trump is political. That might not be so if the case on trial involved a serious criminal allegation bolstered by strong evidence; but, needless to say, Bragg’s is not such a case.

Trump was angry when he made remarks after today’s court session. I don’t think it was an act — certainly not solely and act. He spoke after a tedious day of testimony from just two business-records witnesses affiliated with the Trump organization. (It would not surprise me if Bragg bumped these witnesses up after Trump’s lawyers reminded the jury, at the close of last Friday’s session, that although the trial had been ongoing for two weeks there had still been no evidence of business-records falsification – i.e., the 34 charges in the case.)

To be sure, Trump’s lawyers are contributing to that snail’s pace: In many if not most criminal cases, when there is no doubt that the records in question are authentic business records relevant to the offenses charged, the defense stipulates to their admissibility, so that it takes just a few minutes, rather than an eight-hour day, to get them before the jury. But that said, prosecutors are plodding along. And today, they further dragged out the stultifying proceedings by not having another witness present and ready to go when today’s second witness finished testifying in the late afternoon. At that point, not only did trial end early for the day (wasting over a half hour); Bragg’s prosecutors then proceeded to inform Merchan that they estimate up to three more weeks may be needed to complete their case.

Trump was not a happy camper, then, when he left the courtroom and entered the pen set up for him to address the media, which he habitually does before and after the day’s court session. He inveighed against what he frames as the Democrats’ scheme to keep him chained to a courtroom when he should be out campaigning, and against the resources Bragg has poured into a trifling case against him when, uptown, Hamas supporters have rioted at and occupied Columbia with seeming impunity, shutting down in-person classes and ...canceling the traditional commencement ceremony.

Trump then ripped Merchan over the gag order and the threat to put him in jail. This was bracing to hear. Up until now, indications were that the former president is so agitated about the possibility of imprisonment that his advisers avoid speaking about it. Today, though, Trump himself not only addressed the possibility head on but asserted that he’d be content to go to jail if it were necessary to illustrate what he regards as the travesty that is unfolding. As he put it: “Frankly, you know what, our Constitution is much more important than jail. It’s not even close. I’ll do that sacrifice any day.”

On his track record, the former president is not going to convince many people that he values our Constitution over his own interests. He does, however, have a shrewd grasp of the politics of the moment.
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Some folks actually have belief-foundations that are real and meaningful:

https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/sta ... 6972343303
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McCarthy (and his acolyte, Old Salt):

"Trump was angry when he made remarks after today’s court session. I don’t think it was an act — certainly not solely and act. He spoke after a tedious day of testimony from just two business-records witnesses affiliated with the Trump organization. (It would not surprise me if Bragg bumped these witnesses up after Trump’s lawyers reminded the jury, at the close of last Friday’s session, that although the trial had been ongoing for two weeks there had still been no evidence of business-records falsification – i.e., the 34 charges in the case.)"

Yes, he had every right to be angry as those witnesses and documents made clear that Trump committed multiple crimes; showed the bank statements describing the payments on October 27, 2016 as legal fees (and grossing them up for Cohen's payback, which you don't do with fees); demonstrated that the check signing authority was limited to Trump himself; and showed that Trump signed the cover-up checks in the White House, where SOP at the Trump Organization sent them. I very, very much doubt the prosecution "bumped" any witnesses anywhwhere. The case is laying out the facts and crimes in meticulous and manageable order.

McCarthy again:

"To be sure, Trump’s lawyers are contributing to that snail’s pace: In many if not most criminal cases, when there is no doubt that the records in question are authentic business records relevant to the offenses charged, the defense stipulates to their admissibility, so that it takes just a few minutes, rather than an eight-hour day, to get them before the jury. But that said, prosecutors are plodding along. And today, they further dragged out the stultifying proceedings by not having another witness present and ready to go when today’s second witness finished testifying in the late afternoon. At that point, not only did trial end early for the day (wasting over a half hour); Bragg’s prosecutors then proceeded to inform Merchan that they estimate up to three more weeks may be needed to complete their case."

Trump's lawyers "wasted" an entire trial day on witnesses that the prosecution had to bring in to testify to the authenticity of mountains of documents the authenticity of which almost any other counsel would have stipulated to. Not sure exactly, but I think it was three or four witnesses -- totally unnecessary is authenticity was agreed upon. Business crime cases are tedious, document intensive and normally slow going. The prosecution is absolutely not ragging the puck here. This is one where McCarthy knows he is trafficking in falsehoods for his feckless readers.

Finally, anyone with an ounce of discernment knows that the "gag" order does not impede Trump ability to campaign, get his message out, get his policies -- you know, if he had any -- out for public consumption. It only tells him not to disparage witnesses and court staff during the trial, which his own lawyers are prolonging with stiff-arm shenanigans.

He's an indicted criminal defendant for a reason, and no amount of sophistry by his legal toadies -- McCarthy and the ever-odious Turley among them -- will change the fact that the GOP candidate for the Presidency is something akin to a mob boss.
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Re: 2024

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I find it funny that the r posting here thinks that the d party is running the 2XIMPOTUS o d NY state trial.

What an idiot. :D
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