The Biden Department of Justice

[a fan]

Sen. Robert Menendez, his wife, and three New Jersey businessmen have been indicted by a federal grand jury in New York.
The powerful Democratic senator from New Jersey stands accused of “bribery offenses”.

Press conference at 11

This is the second go-around for Menendez - hung jury a few years back on similar charges of bribery.

Some of these pols just cannot help themselves.

This is what political corruption actually looks like.
Piles of cash, gold bars, text messages, DNA, etc.

Gotta prove the actual official acts committed by the Senator, which they were unable to do last time. Text messages look damning. Wife a big problem, apparently.

I'll never understand it. If you're in Congress for years, you can LEGALLY cash in any number of ways.....scummy and unethical....but perfectly legal.

You just have to be a moron to break laws to get paid.

[Farfromgeneva]

Sen. Robert Menendez, his wife, and three New Jersey businessmen have been indicted by a federal grand jury in New York.
The powerful Democratic senator from New Jersey stands accused of “bribery offenses”.

Press conference at 11

This is the second go-around for Menendez - hung jury a few years back on similar charges of bribery.

Some of these pols just cannot help themselves.

This is what political corruption actually looks like.
Piles of cash, gold bars, text messages, DNA, etc.

Gotta prove the actual official acts committed by the Senator, which they were unable to do last time. Text messages look damning. Wife a big problem, apparently.

I'll never understand it. If you're in Congress for years, you can LEGALLY cash in any number of ways.....scummy and unethical....but perfectly legal.

You just have to be a moron to break laws to get paid.

I would just front run govt and inside trade everything all FY and night since there’s nothing illegal for them on that.

[MDlaxfan76]

Sen. Robert Menendez, his wife, and three New Jersey businessmen have been indicted by a federal grand jury in New York.
The powerful Democratic senator from New Jersey stands accused of “bribery offenses”.

Press conference at 11

This is the second go-around for Menendez - hung jury a few years back on similar charges of bribery.

Some of these pols just cannot help themselves.

This is what political corruption actually looks like.
Piles of cash, gold bars, text messages, DNA, etc.

Gotta prove the actual official acts committed by the Senator, which they were unable to do last time. Text messages look damning. Wife a big problem, apparently.

I'll never understand it. If you're in Congress for years, you can LEGALLY cash in any number of ways.....scummy and unethical....but perfectly legal.

You just have to be a moron to break laws to get paid.

And he's not a moron. The 'lesson' from the changed laws on this that led to the hung jury was that an actual quid pro quo now needs to be proven, not simply that extravagant gifts had been made and that official acts had occurred involving the gift-giver...gotta actually prove the ask-get, quid pro quo. He may have been emboldened by that outcome...and then he started dating his now wife, who apparently is deep in the thick of this... It appears they have the proof this time of quid pro quo, and even a threat/extortion.

Apparently, accepting extravagant gifts from someone who you help in some way using your political influence/power is not illegal...should be, but...ugh.

If I recall correctly, not a lot of Dems rallied to defend him the last time, though many said, 'let it work out in court'...I'd think that would be the most supportive they'd say now as well.

My takeaway from the press conference by the black US Attorney and the black FBI head of public corruption unit was the emphasis their statements put on the years of hard work put in by the FBI, IRS, and prosecutors to investigate and make this case. The "Deep State" nails a very prominent Dem...

Without favor or partisan interest...

[cradleandshoot]

Sen. Robert Menendez, his wife, and three New Jersey businessmen have been indicted by a federal grand jury in New York.
The powerful Democratic senator from New Jersey stands accused of “bribery offenses”.

Press conference at 11

This is the second go-around for Menendez - hung jury a few years back on similar charges of bribery.

Some of these pols just cannot help themselves.

This is what political corruption actually looks like.
Piles of cash, gold bars, text messages, DNA, etc.

Gotta prove the actual official acts committed by the Senator, which they were unable to do last time. Text messages look damning. Wife a big problem, apparently.

I'll never understand it. If you're in Congress for years, you can LEGALLY cash in any number of ways.....scummy and unethical....but perfectly legal.

You just have to be a moron to break laws to get paid.

And he's not a moron. The 'lesson' from the changed laws on this that led to the hung jury was that an actual quid pro quo now needs to be proven, not simply that extravagant gifts had been made and that official acts had occurred involving the gift-giver...gotta actually prove the ask-get, quid pro quo. He may have been emboldened by that outcome...and then he started dating his now wife, who apparently is deep in the thick of this... It appears they have the proof this time of quid pro quo, and even a threat/extortion.

Apparently, accepting extravagant gifts from someone who you help in some way using your political influence/power is not illegal...should be, but...ugh.

If I recall correctly, not a lot of Dems rallied to defend him the last time, though many said, 'let it work out in court'...I'd think that would be the most supportive they'd say now as well.

My takeaway from the press conference by the black US Attorney and the black FBI head of public corruption unit was the emphasis their statements put on the years of hard work put in by the FBI, IRS, and prosecutors to investigate and make this case. The "Deep State" nails a very prominent Dem...

Without favor or partisan interest...

Your saying the FBI and the IRS worked together to bring this indictment? What a unique concept that is. Will Joe Biden pardon his old friend?? That could be coming down the pike sometime around December 2024...

[MDlaxfan76]

And of course, given that reality about the laws involving public corruption, it should be no wonder that Weiss hasn't brought those sorts of charges against Joe and Hunter Biden...enormous IF, but IF there actually was any wink wink between Joe Biden's official actions and Hunter's getting paid excessively, the prosecution would need to be able to prove there was an actual quid pro quo.

Gotta have hard cold evidence of such and nothing remotely close to such proof has materialized from any credible source during all these years. Indeed, the closest to such as been the testimony of Archer that Hunter and Joe sometimes spoke, whether in-person or on the phone, in the presence of Hunter's business associates. But never about any actual business or official acts to be exchanged...nada...no "receipts", no proof.

Apparently the FBI and IRS have had access to all sorts of bank records etc, none of which show any excessive payments to Joe or Jill, whether through Hunter or in any other way...and even IF the money had flowed, that doesn't mean a quid pro was involved, much less is provable.

And the only official action that there's been any claim was somehow beneficial to one of the parties paying Hunter has been quite thoroughly debunked as not actually beneficial and more importantly entirely consistent with the policies of the US and our EU and NATO partners encouraging anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine. Total consensus.

So, no quid pro quo has even been credibly alleged much less is something that could be proven in court.

In contrast, we have Trump who is knee deep convicted fraudster, proven 'rapist'/sexual assaulter, and 4 major long 'speaking' indictments replete with receipts of crimes.

The "Deep State" DOJ/FBI cares about actually proving crimes...they may take a long time to put a case together, but they only bring the cases they are confident they will nail.

And it just isn't there, far as we and any of the 'Impeachment numbskulls' know, about Joe.

[MDlaxfan76]

Sen. Robert Menendez, his wife, and three New Jersey businessmen have been indicted by a federal grand jury in New York.
The powerful Democratic senator from New Jersey stands accused of “bribery offenses”.

Press conference at 11

This is the second go-around for Menendez - hung jury a few years back on similar charges of bribery.

Some of these pols just cannot help themselves.

This is what political corruption actually looks like.
Piles of cash, gold bars, text messages, DNA, etc.

Gotta prove the actual official acts committed by the Senator, which they were unable to do last time. Text messages look damning. Wife a big problem, apparently.

I'll never understand it. If you're in Congress for years, you can LEGALLY cash in any number of ways.....scummy and unethical....but perfectly legal.

You just have to be a moron to break laws to get paid.

And he's not a moron. The 'lesson' from the changed laws on this that led to the hung jury was that an actual quid pro quo now needs to be proven, not simply that extravagant gifts had been made and that official acts had occurred involving the gift-giver...gotta actually prove the ask-get, quid pro quo. He may have been emboldened by that outcome...and then he started dating his now wife, who apparently is deep in the thick of this... It appears they have the proof this time of quid pro quo, and even a threat/extortion.

Apparently, accepting extravagant gifts from someone who you help in some way using your political influence/power is not illegal...should be, but...ugh.

If I recall correctly, not a lot of Dems rallied to defend him the last time, though many said, 'let it work out in court'...I'd think that would be the most supportive they'd say now as well.

My takeaway from the press conference by the black US Attorney and the black FBI head of public corruption unit was the emphasis their statements put on the years of hard work put in by the FBI, IRS, and prosecutors to investigate and make this case. The "Deep State" nails a very prominent Dem...

Without favor or partisan interest...

Your saying the FBI and the IRS worked together to bring this indictment? What a unique concept that is. Will Joe Biden pardon his old friend?? That could be coming down the pike sometime around December 2024...

I'm not saying it, the DOJ US Attorney and FBI are saying it, you know "the Deep State".

And no, I doubt very much that President Biden would pardon Menendez, whether Joe wins or loses in November 2024. If Menendez is found guilty, it'll only be because the evidence of the quid pro quo would be overwhelming. If they don't actually have that convincing proof, it could end in another hung jury and Menendez will walk and claim "vindication"...again. Scummy but not convicted.

You'll recall from those many years ago, that I agreed that Menendez was very likely guilty of the corruption...it's the change to the law that IMO is to blame for him getting off for it. Powerful Senator, effective in all sorts of ways, but man, sure looks like a greedy bastard.

[cradleandshoot]

And of course, given that reality about the laws involving public corruption, it should be no wonder that Weiss hasn't brought those sorts of charges against Joe and Hunter Biden...enormous IF, but IF there actually was any wink wink between Joe Biden's official actions and Hunter's getting paid excessively, the prosecution would need to be able to prove there was an actual quid pro quo.

Gotta have hard cold evidence of such and nothing remotely close to such proof has materialized from any credible source during all these years. Indeed, the closest to such as been the testimony of Archer that Hunter and Joe sometimes spoke, whether in-person or on the phone, in the presence of Hunter's business associates. But never about any actual business or official acts to be exchanged...nada...no "receipts", no proof.

Apparently the FBI and IRS have had access to all sorts of bank records etc, none of which show any excessive payments to Joe or Jill, whether through Hunter or in any other way...and even IF the money had flowed, that doesn't mean a quid pro was involved, much less is provable.

And the only official action that there's been any claim was somehow beneficial to one of the parties paying Hunter has been quite thoroughly debunked as not actually beneficial and more importantly entirely consistent with the policies of the US and our EU and NATO partners encouraging anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine. Total consensus.

So, no quid pro quo has even been credibly alleged much less is something that could be proven in court.

In contrast, we have Trump who is knee deep convicted fraudster, proven 'rapist'/sexual assaulter, and 4 major long 'speaking' indictments replete with receipts of crimes.

The "Deep State" DOJ/FBI cares about actually proving crimes...they may take a long time to put a case together, but they only bring the cases they are confident they will nail.

And it just isn't there, far as we and any of the 'Impeachment numbskulls' know, about Joe.

Your very fortunate you never became a gambler. We are always searching high and low looking for gullible people like yourself. Two questions for you..why would Burisma pay a dumbass like Hunter Biden 83,000 dollars a month for doing nothing?? Do you know who the big guy is??

[PizzaSnake]

And of course, given that reality about the laws involving public corruption, it should be no wonder that Weiss hasn't brought those sorts of charges against Joe and Hunter Biden...enormous IF, but IF there actually was any wink wink between Joe Biden's official actions and Hunter's getting paid excessively, the prosecution would need to be able to prove there was an actual quid pro quo.

Gotta have hard cold evidence of such and nothing remotely close to such proof has materialized from any credible source during all these years. Indeed, the closest to such as been the testimony of Archer that Hunter and Joe sometimes spoke, whether in-person or on the phone, in the presence of Hunter's business associates. But never about any actual business or official acts to be exchanged...nada...no "receipts", no proof.

Apparently the FBI and IRS have had access to all sorts of bank records etc, none of which show any excessive payments to Joe or Jill, whether through Hunter or in any other way...and even IF the money had flowed, that doesn't mean a quid pro was involved, much less is provable.

And the only official action that there's been any claim was somehow beneficial to one of the parties paying Hunter has been quite thoroughly debunked as not actually beneficial and more importantly entirely consistent with the policies of the US and our EU and NATO partners encouraging anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine. Total consensus.

So, no quid pro quo has even been credibly alleged much less is something that could be proven in court.

In contrast, we have Trump who is knee deep convicted fraudster, proven 'rapist'/sexual assaulter, and 4 major long 'speaking' indictments replete with receipts of crimes.

The "Deep State" DOJ/FBI cares about actually proving crimes...they may take a long time to put a case together, but they only bring the cases they are confident they will nail.

And it just isn't there, far as we and any of the 'Impeachment numbskulls' know, about Joe.

Your very fortunate you never became a gambler. We are always searching high and low looking for gullible people like yourself. Two questions for you..why would Burisma pay a dumbass like Hunter Biden 83,000 dollars a month for doing nothing?? Do you know who the big guy is??

By your logic, any relatively unskilled relative of say, a President or other public official receiving large amounts of compensation is ipso facto proof of corruption? Okay, so how would you adjust the legal system to recognize this? Legislation? Think that would make it by Subpreme review?

[Seacoaster(1)]

Sen. Robert Menendez, his wife, and three New Jersey businessmen have been indicted by a federal grand jury in New York.
The powerful Democratic senator from New Jersey stands accused of “bribery offenses”.

Press conference at 11

This is the second go-around for Menendez - hung jury a few years back on similar charges of bribery.

Some of these pols just cannot help themselves.

This is what political corruption actually looks like.
Piles of cash, gold bars, text messages, DNA, etc.

Gotta prove the actual official acts committed by the Senator, which they were unable to do last time. Text messages look damning. Wife a big problem, apparently.

I'll never understand it. If you're in Congress for years, you can LEGALLY cash in any number of ways.....scummy and unethical....but perfectly legal.

You just have to be a moron to break laws to get paid.

And he's not a moron. The 'lesson' from the changed laws on this that led to the hung jury was that an actual quid pro quo now needs to be proven, not simply that extravagant gifts had been made and that official acts had occurred involving the gift-giver...gotta actually prove the ask-get, quid pro quo. He may have been emboldened by that outcome...and then he started dating his now wife, who apparently is deep in the thick of this... It appears they have the proof this time of quid pro quo, and even a threat/extortion.

Apparently, accepting extravagant gifts from someone who you help in some way using your political influence/power is not illegal...should be, but...ugh.

If I recall correctly, not a lot of Dems rallied to defend him the last time, though many said, 'let it work out in court'...I'd think that would be the most supportive they'd say now as well.

My takeaway from the press conference by the black US Attorney and the black FBI head of public corruption unit was the emphasis their statements put on the years of hard work put in by the FBI, IRS, and prosecutors to investigate and make this case. The "Deep State" nails a very prominent Dem...

Without favor or partisan interest...

Your saying the FBI and the IRS worked together to bring this indictment? What a unique concept that is. Will Joe Biden pardon his old friend?? That could be coming down the pike sometime around December 2024...

I'm not saying it, the DOJ US Attorney and FBI are saying it, you know "the Deep State".

And no, I doubt very much that President Biden would pardon Menendez, whether Joe wins or loses in November 2024. If Menendez is found guilty, it'll only be because the evidence of the quid pro quo would be overwhelming. If they don't actually have that convincing proof, it could end in another hung jury and Menendez will walk and claim "vindication"...again. Scummy but not convicted.

You'll recall from those many years ago, that I agreed that Menendez was very likely guilty of the corruption...it's the change to the law that IMO is to blame for him getting off for it. Powerful Senator, effective in all sorts of ways, but man, sure looks like a greedy bastard.

He needs to resign.

[MDlaxfan76]

Sen. Robert Menendez, his wife, and three New Jersey businessmen have been indicted by a federal grand jury in New York.
The powerful Democratic senator from New Jersey stands accused of “bribery offenses”.

Press conference at 11

This is the second go-around for Menendez - hung jury a few years back on similar charges of bribery.

Some of these pols just cannot help themselves.

This is what political corruption actually looks like.
Piles of cash, gold bars, text messages, DNA, etc.

Gotta prove the actual official acts committed by the Senator, which they were unable to do last time. Text messages look damning. Wife a big problem, apparently.

I'll never understand it. If you're in Congress for years, you can LEGALLY cash in any number of ways.....scummy and unethical....but perfectly legal.

You just have to be a moron to break laws to get paid.

And he's not a moron. The 'lesson' from the changed laws on this that led to the hung jury was that an actual quid pro quo now needs to be proven, not simply that extravagant gifts had been made and that official acts had occurred involving the gift-giver...gotta actually prove the ask-get, quid pro quo. He may have been emboldened by that outcome...and then he started dating his now wife, who apparently is deep in the thick of this... It appears they have the proof this time of quid pro quo, and even a threat/extortion.

Apparently, accepting extravagant gifts from someone who you help in some way using your political influence/power is not illegal...should be, but...ugh.

If I recall correctly, not a lot of Dems rallied to defend him the last time, though many said, 'let it work out in court'...I'd think that would be the most supportive they'd say now as well.

My takeaway from the press conference by the black US Attorney and the black FBI head of public corruption unit was the emphasis their statements put on the years of hard work put in by the FBI, IRS, and prosecutors to investigate and make this case. The "Deep State" nails a very prominent Dem...

Without favor or partisan interest...

Your saying the FBI and the IRS worked together to bring this indictment? What a unique concept that is. Will Joe Biden pardon his old friend?? That could be coming down the pike sometime around December 2024...

I'm not saying it, the DOJ US Attorney and FBI are saying it, you know "the Deep State".

And no, I doubt very much that President Biden would pardon Menendez, whether Joe wins or loses in November 2024. If Menendez is found guilty, it'll only be because the evidence of the quid pro quo would be overwhelming. If they don't actually have that convincing proof, it could end in another hung jury and Menendez will walk and claim "vindication"...again. Scummy but not convicted.

You'll recall from those many years ago, that I agreed that Menendez was very likely guilty of the corruption...it's the change to the law that IMO is to blame for him getting off for it. Powerful Senator, effective in all sorts of ways, but man, sure looks like a greedy bastard.

He needs to resign.

Agreed

[dislaxxic]

Agreed.

..

[MDlaxfan76]

And of course, given that reality about the laws involving public corruption, it should be no wonder that Weiss hasn't brought those sorts of charges against Joe and Hunter Biden...enormous IF, but IF there actually was any wink wink between Joe Biden's official actions and Hunter's getting paid excessively, the prosecution would need to be able to prove there was an actual quid pro quo.

Gotta have hard cold evidence of such and nothing remotely close to such proof has materialized from any credible source during all these years. Indeed, the closest to such as been the testimony of Archer that Hunter and Joe sometimes spoke, whether in-person or on the phone, in the presence of Hunter's business associates. But never about any actual business or official acts to be exchanged...nada...no "receipts", no proof.

Apparently the FBI and IRS have had access to all sorts of bank records etc, none of which show any excessive payments to Joe or Jill, whether through Hunter or in any other way...and even IF the money had flowed, that doesn't mean a quid pro was involved, much less is provable.

And the only official action that there's been any claim was somehow beneficial to one of the parties paying Hunter has been quite thoroughly debunked as not actually beneficial and more importantly entirely consistent with the policies of the US and our EU and NATO partners encouraging anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine. Total consensus.

So, no quid pro quo has even been credibly alleged much less is something that could be proven in court.

In contrast, we have Trump who is knee deep convicted fraudster, proven 'rapist'/sexual assaulter, and 4 major long 'speaking' indictments replete with receipts of crimes.

The "Deep State" DOJ/FBI cares about actually proving crimes...they may take a long time to put a case together, but they only bring the cases they are confident they will nail.

And it just isn't there, far as we and any of the 'Impeachment numbskulls' know, about Joe.

Your very fortunate you never became a gambler. We are always searching high and low looking for gullible people like yourself. Two questions for you..why would Burisma pay a dumbass like Hunter Biden 83,000 dollars a month for doing nothing?? Do you know who the big guy is??

ohh, I think they paid Hunter for his name and the perception of access, should they need it.

But that is not a crime.

The crime would need to be that they asked Joe to do something and he asked to be paid to do it. But I don't think that ever happened, through there's always a chance that despite all the investigating they simply haven't uncovered the actual quid pro quo transaction.

A chance, slim as it might be, is not a crime.

And most importantly, there's no proof of a crime.
Heck, there isn't even an actual credible allegation of specific crime, much less with proof.

We all agree that trading on the name and perception of access to power is scummy...but it ain't a crime...maybe it should be, but it ain't. And, unless there's an actual conspiracy, there's no crime committed by a family member either. Can't prove a crime, can't prove a conspiracy...

BUT what we do know is that Trump committed fraud and sexual assault, proven in court, and is indicted for numerous super serious crimes related to his actions as POTUS and former POTUS. Which, based on what we know so far from the indictments, certainly looks like will be proven in court, hands down.

And the Republicans are panicked, with Trump demanding that they dirty up Joe to make it seem like he's corrupt too, diverting attention from the actual criminal to 'they all do it'...or are you too gullible to see that that's what they're doing?

[jhu72]

Sen. Robert Menendez, his wife, and three New Jersey businessmen have been indicted by a federal grand jury in New York.
The powerful Democratic senator from New Jersey stands accused of “bribery offenses”.

Press conference at 11

This is the second go-around for Menendez - hung jury a few years back on similar charges of bribery.

Some of these pols just cannot help themselves.

His daughter used to be pretty hot at least?

... still is.

Dad needs to resign. Clear the way for another dem while there is plenty of time.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Sen. Robert Menendez, his wife, and three New Jersey businessmen have been indicted by a federal grand jury in New York.
The powerful Democratic senator from New Jersey stands accused of “bribery offenses”.

Press conference at 11

This is the second go-around for Menendez - hung jury a few years back on similar charges of bribery.

Some of these pols just cannot help themselves.

This is what political corruption actually looks like.
Piles of cash, gold bars, text messages, DNA, etc.

Gotta prove the actual official acts committed by the Senator, which they were unable to do last time. Text messages look damning. Wife a big problem, apparently.

I'll never understand it. If you're in Congress for years, you can LEGALLY cash in any number of ways.....scummy and unethical....but perfectly legal.

You just have to be a moron to break laws to get paid.

And he's not a moron. The 'lesson' from the changed laws on this that led to the hung jury was that an actual quid pro quo now needs to be proven, not simply that extravagant gifts had been made and that official acts had occurred involving the gift-giver...gotta actually prove the ask-get, quid pro quo. He may have been emboldened by that outcome...and then he started dating his now wife, who apparently is deep in the thick of this... It appears they have the proof this time of quid pro quo, and even a threat/extortion.

Apparently, accepting extravagant gifts from someone who you help in some way using your political influence/power is not illegal...should be, but...ugh.

If I recall correctly, not a lot of Dems rallied to defend him the last time, though many said, 'let it work out in court'...I'd think that would be the most supportive they'd say now as well.

My takeaway from the press conference by the black US Attorney and the black FBI head of public corruption unit was the emphasis their statements put on the years of hard work put in by the FBI, IRS, and prosecutors to investigate and make this case. The "Deep State" nails a very prominent Dem...

Without favor or partisan interest...

Your saying the FBI and the IRS worked together to bring this indictment? What a unique concept that is. Will Joe Biden pardon his old friend?? That could be coming down the pike sometime around December 2024...

I'm not saying it, the DOJ US Attorney and FBI are saying it, you know "the Deep State".

And no, I doubt very much that President Biden would pardon Menendez, whether Joe wins or loses in November 2024. If Menendez is found guilty, it'll only be because the evidence of the quid pro quo would be overwhelming. If they don't actually have that convincing proof, it could end in another hung jury and Menendez will walk and claim "vindication"...again. Scummy but not convicted.

You'll recall from those many years ago, that I agreed that Menendez was very likely guilty of the corruption...it's the change to the law that IMO is to blame for him getting off for it. Powerful Senator, effective in all sorts of ways, but man, sure looks like a greedy bastard.

He needs to resign.

Agreed

He does. He’s awful.

[Kismet]

SCOTUS ruling (the former VA governor conviction for corruption overturned) makes it a very high bar to prove these cases. That's one of the reasons Menendez got off last time around in 2018. After the Feds declined to retry him for those allegations, looks like they immediately began a new investigation of other potential crimes.

[OCanada]

The jury vote in the last case was 10-2. I believe to acquit. I know the count is right. Pretty sure i have it right but if not someone will correct. A 10-2 vote to acquit is why they did not retry.

The difference between the reactions of the parties to corruption is stark. The DOJ indicting a sitting Dem senator in a delicately balanced senate? Never would happen w the current GOP who won’t bother to read evidence of crimes.

[PizzaSnake]

What is most striking about this case, and countless others prior, is the shamelessness on the part of most (not all, but a h$ll of a lot) members of a certain political party. My question is this: were they born without the capacity for self-reflection and admission of culpability, or is it a learned behavior? This quality, and the neuroscience associating a strong fear response to novelty of self-identified members of that same party, lead me to believe these are innate artifacts of a certain brain "type" and neurological function.

Neither good nor bad. Just is. H&ll, one could even argue, in a evolutionary biological way, that these same qualities must have served as a "fitness" advantage allowing for the survival and proliferation of these qualities. Perhaps "morality" and "fairplay" are just idealizations that don't really serve any particular utility beyond some brief phantasm of of a sense moral rectitude or superiority?

Good news is, as things get, shall we say, a little more serious, and competition intensifies for resources and agreeable climes, maybe we shall see a shucking of any of these luxuries of abundance and ease. Now that will be interesting.

[cradleandshoot]

The jury vote in the last case was 10-2. I believe to acquit. I know the count is right. Pretty sure i have it right but if not someone will correct. A 10-2 vote to acquit is why they did not retry.

The difference between the reactions of the parties to corruption is stark. The DOJ indicting a sitting Dem senator in a delicately balanced senate? Never would happen w the current GOP who won’t bother to read evidence of crimes.

What different reaction are you referring to? I have yet to hear any member of either party condone corruption. They are just happy that they ain't the ones that got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

[RedFromMI]

Neither party will admit they condone corruption, but the Rs these days seem to be quite willing to overlook it (Ken Paxton, George Santos, and the Orange Duce good examples of that).

The Ds pushed Al Franken out and should be pushing Menendez out to set a better example. But so far Shumer is not leading any push, nor is Cory Booker as far as I can tell...

[youthathletics]

Neither party will admit they condone corruption, but the Rs these days seem to be quite willing to overlook it (Ken Paxton, George Santos, and the Orange Duce good examples of that).

The Ds pushed Al Franken out and should be pushing Menendez out to set a better example. But so far Shumer is not leading any push, nor is Cory Booker as far as I can tell...

Likely waiting to test the barometer.....ito determine f it messes with cashflow or losing a seat of two. Cash and control, are the explanations for many of the unanswered question. It's why a pre-requisite to multi-term pols is 'cognitive dissonance' with added sociopath and narcissistic leaning.