Not possible. We were assured by many posters here the Fauci couldn't possibly have to worry about politics, and was entirely independent, and didn't report directly to Trump.
Which means what? Fauci broke his hypocritical oath b/c of Trump?
No. It means that when I pointed out weeks ago that Fauci doesn't get to do whatever it is he wants to do, folks were overly defensive when hearing this obvious news.
Fauci STILL doesn't get to do whatever he wants. Biden makes the calls. So you don't get to blame Fauci for US Federal response. That was on Trump...and now it's on Biden.
You actually think anyone in the media will hold Joltin Joe accountable if the Covid pandemic continues? There is already a built in patsy.. Donald Dump. Any good news on the Covid front will be handed to POTUS Biden. If the news is bad it will be blamed on the former Dump administration. It is called having the best of both worlds. This is something politicians excell at. Knowing when to accept all the credit and having a fallback excuse to pass the buck. How do you think these politicians get re-elected, by accepting responsibility when things go bad.
I use to be a people person until people ruined that for me.
"The purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure poor reasoning, and inhibit clarity. With a little practice, writing can be an intimidating and impenetrable fog." - Calvin, to Hobbes
Not possible. We were assured by many posters here the Fauci couldn't possibly have to worry about politics, and was entirely independent, and didn't report directly to Trump.
Which means what? Fauci broke his hypocritical oath b/c of Trump?
No. It means that when I pointed out weeks ago that Fauci doesn't get to do whatever it is he wants to do, folks were overly defensive when hearing this obvious news.
Fauci STILL doesn't get to do whatever he wants. Biden makes the calls. So you don't get to blame Fauci for US Federal response. That was on Trump...and now it's on Biden.
You actually think anyone in the media will hold Joltin Joe accountable if the Covid pandemic continues? Yes, for sure. Covid shouldn't be a left/right issue. I'm sure Fox's Peter Douche will hold them accountable...he made sure he got to the bottom of why Biden's family weren't wearing masks during the swearing in portion.
There is already a built in patsy.. Donald Dump. He earned this by, obviously, not doing everything possible.
Any good news on the Covid front will be handed to POTUS Biden. Biden is doing thing Trump didn't do....he deserves credit for the things that work. He has earned some credit from me by taking it seriously and showing leadership.
If the news is bad it will be blamed on the former Dump administration. It is called having the best of both worlds. This is something politicians excell at. Knowing when to accept all the credit and having a fallback excuse to pass the buck. How do you think these politicians get re-elected, by accepting responsibility when things go bad. Sometimes...sometimes they do get re-elected for admitting mistakes.
Not possible. We were assured by many posters here the Fauci couldn't possibly have to worry about politics, and was entirely independent, and didn't report directly to Trump.
Which means what? Fauci broke his hypocritical oath b/c of Trump?
No. It means that when I pointed out weeks ago that Fauci doesn't get to do whatever it is he wants to do, folks were overly defensive when hearing this obvious news.
Fauci STILL doesn't get to do whatever he wants. Biden makes the calls. So you don't get to blame Fauci for US Federal response. That was on Trump...and now it's on Biden.
You actually think anyone in the media will hold Joltin Joe accountable if the Covid pandemic continues? Yes, for sure. Covid shouldn't be a left/right issue. I'm sure Fox's Peter Douche will hold them accountable...he made sure he got to the bottom of why Biden's family weren't wearing masks during the swearing in portion.
There is already a built in patsy.. Donald Dump. He earned this by, obviously, not doing everything possible.
Any good news on the Covid front will be handed to POTUS Biden. Biden is doing thing Trump didn't do....he deserves credit for the things that work. He has earned some credit from me by taking it seriously and showing leadership.
If the news is bad it will be blamed on the former Dump administration. It is called having the best of both worlds. This is something politicians excell at. Knowing when to accept all the credit and having a fallback excuse to pass the buck. How do you think these politicians get re-elected, by accepting responsibility when things go bad. Sometimes...sometimes they do get re-elected for admitting mistakes.
Time will soon tell. I hope that POTUS Biden succeeds where dump failed. Dump also did some of the things that King Andy requested of him. King Andy wanted the Javits center turned into a temporary hospital, King Andy wanted the Mercy ship to sail in to NY harbor as another medical facility to aid in the Covid crisis. Dump made this happen. It turns out the Covid crisis did not need the Javits center and did not need the Mercy ship. So where the f**k are all you critics to criticize this incredible waste of time, money, resources and people. You got what the f**k you wanted and what you wanted was a huge waste of resources. I'm guessing all you FLP jackwagons forgot about all that didn't you?
I use to be a people person until people ruined that for me.
Not possible. We were assured by many posters here the Fauci couldn't possibly have to worry about politics, and was entirely independent, and didn't report directly to Trump.
Which means what? Fauci broke his hypocritical oath b/c of Trump?
No. It means that when I pointed out weeks ago that Fauci doesn't get to do whatever it is he wants to do, folks were overly defensive when hearing this obvious news.
Fauci STILL doesn't get to do whatever he wants. Biden makes the calls. So you don't get to blame Fauci for US Federal response. That was on Trump...and now it's on Biden.
You actually think anyone in the media will hold Joltin Joe accountable if the Covid pandemic continues? Yes, for sure. Covid shouldn't be a left/right issue. I'm sure Fox's Peter Douche will hold them accountable...he made sure he got to the bottom of why Biden's family weren't wearing masks during the swearing in portion.
There is already a built in patsy.. Donald Dump. He earned this by, obviously, not doing everything possible.
Any good news on the Covid front will be handed to POTUS Biden. Biden is doing thing Trump didn't do....he deserves credit for the things that work. He has earned some credit from me by taking it seriously and showing leadership.
If the news is bad it will be blamed on the former Dump administration. It is called having the best of both worlds. This is something politicians excell at. Knowing when to accept all the credit and having a fallback excuse to pass the buck. How do you think these politicians get re-elected, by accepting responsibility when things go bad. Sometimes...sometimes they do get re-elected for admitting mistakes.
Name for me the last politician that was ever re-elected for admitting they made a mistake? I will then point out for you that politician ran against the dumbest politician in the universe. Any political opponent carries a massive sledgehammer at the ready to beat their opponent over the head with when they make a verbal gaffe.
I use to be a people person until people ruined that for me.
Not possible. We were assured by many posters here the Fauci couldn't possibly have to worry about politics, and was entirely independent, and didn't report directly to Trump.
Which means what? Fauci broke his hypocritical oath b/c of Trump?
No. It means that when I pointed out weeks ago that Fauci doesn't get to do whatever it is he wants to do, folks were overly defensive when hearing this obvious news.
Fauci STILL doesn't get to do whatever he wants. Biden makes the calls. So you don't get to blame Fauci for US Federal response. That was on Trump...and now it's on Biden.
You actually think anyone in the media will hold Joltin Joe accountable if the Covid pandemic continues? Yes, for sure. Covid shouldn't be a left/right issue. I'm sure Fox's Peter Douche will hold them accountable...he made sure he got to the bottom of why Biden's family weren't wearing masks during the swearing in portion.
There is already a built in patsy.. Donald Dump. He earned this by, obviously, not doing everything possible.
Any good news on the Covid front will be handed to POTUS Biden. Biden is doing thing Trump didn't do....he deserves credit for the things that work. He has earned some credit from me by taking it seriously and showing leadership.
If the news is bad it will be blamed on the former Dump administration. It is called having the best of both worlds. This is something politicians excell at. Knowing when to accept all the credit and having a fallback excuse to pass the buck. How do you think these politicians get re-elected, by accepting responsibility when things go bad. Sometimes...sometimes they do get re-elected for admitting mistakes.
Time will soon tell. I hope that POTUS Biden succeeds where dump failed. Dump also did some of the things that King Andy requested of him. King Andy wanted the Javits center turned into a temporary hospital, King Andy wanted the Mercy ship to sail in to NY harbor as another medical facility to aid in the Covid crisis. Dump made this happen. It turns out the Covid crisis did not need the Javits center and did not need the Mercy ship. So where the f**k are all you critics to criticize this incredible waste of time, money, resources and people. You got what the f**k you wanted and what you wanted was a huge waste of resources. I'm guessing all you FLP jackwagons forgot about all that didn't you?
None that has been lost on me....at the time, it felt like the world was coming to end. Feels somewhat better now that we seem to have a handle on what it is and how to avoid getting it.
Not possible. We were assured by many posters here the Fauci couldn't possibly have to worry about politics, and was entirely independent, and didn't report directly to Trump.
Which means what? Fauci broke his hypocritical oath b/c of Trump?
No. It means that when I pointed out weeks ago that Fauci doesn't get to do whatever it is he wants to do, folks were overly defensive when hearing this obvious news.
Fauci STILL doesn't get to do whatever he wants. Biden makes the calls. So you don't get to blame Fauci for US Federal response. That was on Trump...and now it's on Biden.
You actually think anyone in the media will hold Joltin Joe accountable if the Covid pandemic continues? Yes, for sure. Covid shouldn't be a left/right issue. I'm sure Fox's Peter Douche will hold them accountable...he made sure he got to the bottom of why Biden's family weren't wearing masks during the swearing in portion.
There is already a built in patsy.. Donald Dump. He earned this by, obviously, not doing everything possible.
Any good news on the Covid front will be handed to POTUS Biden. Biden is doing thing Trump didn't do....he deserves credit for the things that work. He has earned some credit from me by taking it seriously and showing leadership.
If the news is bad it will be blamed on the former Dump administration. It is called having the best of both worlds. This is something politicians excell at. Knowing when to accept all the credit and having a fallback excuse to pass the buck. How do you think these politicians get re-elected, by accepting responsibility when things go bad. Sometimes...sometimes they do get re-elected for admitting mistakes.
Time will soon tell. I hope that POTUS Biden succeeds where dump failed. Dump also did some of the things that King Andy requested of him. King Andy wanted the Javits center turned into a temporary hospital, King Andy wanted the Mercy ship to sail in to NY harbor as another medical facility to aid in the Covid crisis. Dump made this happen. It turns out the Covid crisis did not need the Javits center and did not need the Mercy ship. So where the f**k are all you critics to criticize this incredible waste of time, money, resources and people. You got what the f**k you wanted and what you wanted was a huge waste of resources. I'm guessing all you FLP jackwagons forgot about all that didn't you?
None that has been lost on me....at the time, it felt like the world was coming to end. Feels somewhat better now that we seem to have a handle on what it is and how to avoid getting it.
Easy to arm chair QB this as time goes on.
+1, As much as I dislike dump I think he did want King Andy asked him to do. What he asked him to do was a knee jerk reaction to the threat at hand. There is a boatload of things about Covid that dump dropped the ball on, this was not one of them.
I use to be a people person until people ruined that for me.
Not possible. We were assured by many posters here the Fauci couldn't possibly have to worry about politics, and was entirely independent, and didn't report directly to Trump.
Which means what? Fauci broke his hypocritical oath b/c of Trump?
No. It means that when I pointed out weeks ago that Fauci doesn't get to do whatever it is he wants to do, folks were overly defensive when hearing this obvious news.
Fauci STILL doesn't get to do whatever he wants. Biden makes the calls. So you don't get to blame Fauci for US Federal response. That was on Trump...and now it's on Biden.
You actually think anyone in the media will hold Joltin Joe accountable if the Covid pandemic continues? Yes, for sure. Covid shouldn't be a left/right issue. I'm sure Fox's Peter Douche will hold them accountable...he made sure he got to the bottom of why Biden's family weren't wearing masks during the swearing in portion.
There is already a built in patsy.. Donald Dump. He earned this by, obviously, not doing everything possible.
Any good news on the Covid front will be handed to POTUS Biden. Biden is doing thing Trump didn't do....he deserves credit for the things that work. He has earned some credit from me by taking it seriously and showing leadership.
If the news is bad it will be blamed on the former Dump administration. It is called having the best of both worlds. This is something politicians excell at. Knowing when to accept all the credit and having a fallback excuse to pass the buck. How do you think these politicians get re-elected, by accepting responsibility when things go bad. Sometimes...sometimes they do get re-elected for admitting mistakes.
Time will soon tell. I hope that POTUS Biden succeeds where dump failed. Dump also did some of the things that King Andy requested of him. King Andy wanted the Javits center turned into a temporary hospital, King Andy wanted the Mercy ship to sail in to NY harbor as another medical facility to aid in the Covid crisis. Dump made this happen. It turns out the Covid crisis did not need the Javits center and did not need the Mercy ship. So where the f**k are all you critics to criticize this incredible waste of time, money, resources and people. You got what the f**k you wanted and what you wanted was a huge waste of resources. I'm guessing all you FLP jackwagons forgot about all that didn't you?
None that has been lost on me....at the time, it felt like the world was coming to end. Feels somewhat better now that we seem to have a handle on what it is and how to avoid getting it.
Easy to arm chair QB this as time goes on.
+1, As much as I dislike dump I think he did want King Andy asked him to do. What he asked him to do was a knee jerk reaction to the threat at hand. There is a boatload of things about Covid that dump dropped the ball on, this was not one of them. Agreed....generally I have to belevie that each governor did the best they could, based on what they were hearing and seeing. Some played politics...
Not possible. We were assured by many posters here the Fauci couldn't possibly have to worry about politics, and was entirely independent, and didn't report directly to Trump.
Which means what? Fauci broke his hypocritical oath b/c of Trump?
No. It means that when I pointed out weeks ago that Fauci doesn't get to do whatever it is he wants to do, folks were overly defensive when hearing this obvious news.
Fauci STILL doesn't get to do whatever he wants. Biden makes the calls. So you don't get to blame Fauci for US Federal response. That was on Trump...and now it's on Biden.
You actually think anyone in the media will hold Joltin Joe accountable if the Covid pandemic continues? Yes, for sure. Covid shouldn't be a left/right issue. I'm sure Fox's Peter Douche will hold them accountable...he made sure he got to the bottom of why Biden's family weren't wearing masks during the swearing in portion.
There is already a built in patsy.. Donald Dump. He earned this by, obviously, not doing everything possible.
Any good news on the Covid front will be handed to POTUS Biden. Biden is doing thing Trump didn't do....he deserves credit for the things that work. He has earned some credit from me by taking it seriously and showing leadership.
If the news is bad it will be blamed on the former Dump administration. It is called having the best of both worlds. This is something politicians excell at. Knowing when to accept all the credit and having a fallback excuse to pass the buck. How do you think these politicians get re-elected, by accepting responsibility when things go bad. Sometimes...sometimes they do get re-elected for admitting mistakes.
Time will soon tell. I hope that POTUS Biden succeeds where dump failed. Dump also did some of the things that King Andy requested of him. King Andy wanted the Javits center turned into a temporary hospital, King Andy wanted the Mercy ship to sail in to NY harbor as another medical facility to aid in the Covid crisis. Dump made this happen. It turns out the Covid crisis did not need the Javits center and did not need the Mercy ship. So where the f**k are all you critics to criticize this incredible waste of time, money, resources and people. You got what the f**k you wanted and what you wanted was a huge waste of resources. I'm guessing all you FLP jackwagons forgot about all that didn't you?
None that has been lost on me....at the time, it felt like the world was coming to end. Feels somewhat better now that we seem to have a handle on what it is and how to avoid getting it.
Easy to arm chair QB this as time goes on.
+1, As much as I dislike dump I think he did want King Andy asked him to do. What he asked him to do was a knee jerk reaction to the threat at hand. There is a boatload of things about Covid that dump dropped the ball on, this was not one of them. Agreed....generally I have to belevie that each governor did the best they could, based on what they were hearing and seeing. Some played politics...
I agree with you 100%. Covid did not recuse itself from the politics of the pandemic.
I use to be a people person until people ruined that for me.
Actually more of the not enough - and we CAN do better. Given the prior administrations absolutely crappy response to the pandemic, I suspect it will get much better.
i have to believe a large chunk, definitely not all, of the lag in actual distribution to states and what they're administering is distrust of their future supply.
on jan 1 we had somewhere around 12 million distributed. now, it's 35 or 40 million. and had bumped up a week and a half ago.
so our supply was not much over 1 million per day. now just several weeks later, that's close to where our "in arms" number is daily. throw in changing standards announced for who gets what and when, a lack of transparency week to week (outsider - looks like that may be on all of manufacturers, feds and states).
enough will be when in arms matches supply daily. will pfizer and moderna continue to kick 2 million or more per day? don't know. maybe we'll get an idea soon.
Today’s big news was not entirely unexpected: There was never any plan for a federal response to the coronavirus pandemic. "What we're inheriting is so much worse than we could have imagined," said President Biden's coronavirus response coordinator Jeff Zients in a call with reporters. Another official said: “There is nothing for us to rework. We are going to have to build everything from scratch."
Biden says he is approaching the coronavirus with a “wartime” strategy, moving the power of the federal government behind the effort to get everyone vaccinated. He warned today that the death toll, which is at 407,000 Americans today, will likely rise to 500,000 by the end of February. Today, he invoked the Defense Production Act, which enables the government to direct private companies to produce goods for national needs at the same time that it provides a market for the goods the companies produce. He wants more testing, faster vaccinations, and more funding for state and local governments to enable them to provide more vaccination sites. He has announced he hopes to vaccinate 100 million Americans by April 20.
The new president is also facing bad economic news as almost a million more people filed for unemployment benefits this week. This is the worst jobs market any modern president has ever inherited.
Biden is trying to get a handle on our national intelligence. This morning, Avril Haines, former Deputy National Security Adviser and Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency in the Obama administration, became the Director of National Intelligence, overseeing the nation’s intelligence community. The Senate confirmed her appointment yesterday evening by a vote of 84 to 10.
Today, Biden asked the U.S. intelligence community to assess the recent hack of United States businesses and government agencies, the poisoning of Putin opponent Alexei Navalny in August, and the story that Russia offered to Taliban-linked militias bounties on U.S. and allied troops in Afghanistan. These events are all linked to Russia and Vladimir Putin, whom the former president refused to criticize or investigate.
If that is what is happening specifically in Washington today, there are more general stories in the news, too, as Americans take stock of where we are and how we got here.
The January 6 attack on the Capitol made Americans acutely aware of the danger that disinformation poses to our democracy. Evidence indicates that the people who stormed the Capitol were radicalized by online QAnon conspiracy theories and by Republicans who pushed the lie that the 2020 election had been stolen. In the face of this disinformation, many different voices are now talking about the 1987 lapse of the Fairness Doctrine, which required companies that held broadcast licenses to present issues honestly, giving equal time to opposing opinions. People are talking about how its principles might be restored even in an era when modern technology means that we no longer need broadcast licenses to share news.
On Tuesday, Shepard Smith, a reporter who worked at the Fox News Channel until 2019 and who now has a show at CNBC, explained to CNN’s Christiane Amanpour why he left his job at the FNC. " I believe that when people begin with a false premise and lead people astray, that's injurious to society," Smith continued, "and it's the antithesis of what we should be doing."
"I don't know how some people sleep at night,” Smith said, “because I know there are a lot of people who have propagated the lies and have pushed them forward over and over again, who are smart enough and educated enough to know better. And I hope that at some point, those who have done us harm as a nation — and I might even add as a world — will look around and realize what they've done. But I'm not holding my breath."
Over the years, people fed up with the Fox News Channel have organized boycotts of businesses advertising on one show or another, but a big source of FNC’s income is not advertising, but rather cable fees. FNC is bundled with other channels, so many people who do not want it pay for it. Today on Twitter, lawyer Pam Keith noted that a simple regulatory change ending this sort of bundling would force FNC and similar channels to compete on a level playing field rather than being able to survive on fees from people who might not want to support them.
The other story from today with a long history behind it is that the Senate is currently unable to organize itself because Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is insisting that the Democrats commit to leaving the filibuster intact. The filibuster is peculiar to the Senate, and is a procedure designed to draw out the session to prevent a vote on a measure. It is an old system, but it is not exactly hallowed: it was a bit of a mistake.
The Constitution provides for the Senate to pass most measures by a simple majority. It also permits each house of Congress to write its own rules. According to historian Brian Bixby, the House discovered early on that it needed a procedure to stop debate and get on with a vote. The Senate, a much smaller body, did not.
In the 1830s, senators in the minority discovered they could prevent votes on issues they disliked simply by talking the issue to death. In 1917, when both President Woodrow Wilson and the American people turned against the filibuster after senators used it to stop Wilson from preparing for war, the Senate reluctantly adopted a procedure to end a filibuster using a process called “cloture,” but that process is slow and it takes a majority of three-fifths of all members. Today, that is 60 votes.
From 1917 to 1964, senators filibustered primarily to stop civil rights legislation. The process was grueling: a senator had to talk for hours, as South Carolina Senator Strom Thurmond did in 1957, when he spoke for 24 hours straight to stand against a civil rights act. But the need to speed up Senate business meant that in the 1960s and 1970s, senators settled on procedural filibusters that enabled an individual senator to kill a measure simply by declaring opposition, rather than through the old-fashioned system of all-night speeches. The Senate also declared some measures, such as budget resolutions, immune to filibusters. Effectively, this means that it takes 60 votes, rather than a simple majority, to get anything--other than absolutely imperative financial measures-- done.
In 2013, frustrated by the Republicans’ filibustering of President Obama’s judicial nominees and picks for a number of officials in the Executive Branch, then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) prohibited filibusters on certain Executive Branch and judicial nominees. In 2017, when Democrats tried to filibuster the nomination of Supreme Court Judge Neil Gorsuch, then-Majority Leader Mitch McConnell killed the filibuster for Supreme Court nominees, as well.
The filibuster remains in place for legislation.
The Democrats currently have no plans to try to kill the filibuster altogether—they do not have the votes, as Joe Manchin (D-WV) has openly opposed the idea and others are leery—but they want to keep the threat of killing it to prevent McConnell and the Republicans from abusing it and stopping all Democratic legislation.
This impasse means that senators are not organizing the Senate. New senators have not been added to existing committees, which leaves Republicans in the majority in key committees. This is slowing down Biden’s ability to get his nominees confirmed.
What’s at stake here is actually quite an interesting question. While the new Senate is split evenly—50 Democrats, 50 Republicans—the 50 Democrats in the Senate represent over 41.5 million more people than the 50 Republicans represent. The filibuster means that no legislation can pass Congress without the support of 10 Republicans. Essentially, then, the fight over the filibuster is a fight not just about the ability of the Democrats to get laws passed, but about whether McConnell and the Republicans, who represent a minority of the American people, can kill legislation endorsed by lawmakers who represent quite a large majority.
We are in an uncomfortable period in our history in which the mechanics of our democracy are functionally anti-democratic. The fight over the filibuster might seem dull, but it’s actually a pretty significant struggle as our lawmakers try to make the rules of our system fit our changing nation.
by cradleandshoot » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:57 am Mr moderator, deactivate my account. You have heck this forum up to making it nothing more than a joke. I hope you are happy. This is cradle and shoot signing out.
Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:26 am
Did Dr. Fauci look like the cat that ate the canary in yesterday's briefing?
His Hydroxychloroquine comments were wroth the price of admission.
He did look quite happy to be unbound.
I liked that he was comfortable in disagreeing with the assessment, bolded and enlarged above, that there was no plan at all by the Trump Admin...there was some machinery, doesn't have to be built from scratch...but that things were going to be ramped way up under Biden Admin now.
"Segmented regression analysis of reported mask-wearing showed no statistically significant change in the slope after mandates were introduced; however, the upward trend in reported mask-wearing was preserved."
so control measures, adequate or otherwise, didn't make a difference?
What do you mean by that? From the article:
"The widespread reported use of face masks combined with physical distancing increases the odds of SARS-CoV-2 transmission control. Self-reported mask-wearing increased separately from government mask mandates, suggesting that supplemental public health interventions are needed to maximise adoption and help to curb the ongoing epidemic."
wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:53 pm
1) then shouldn't those governments be doing it? isn't gov't funded healthcare the awesomest?
You tell me. Have you seen the packages other 1st world countries have given their citizens? I have an awful lot of restaurant and distillery owner friends who have lost everything because of Covid.
More to my point: what do you suppose is going to happen to US non-govt. funded Health Insurance premiums when this is over, and the bailout money dries up. Get your checkbook out.
wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:53 pm
2) that's actually not true (GDP)
US GDP was at $15Trillion. Next up is Japan at $4.8 Trillion.
Seems like one is enormous, and the other, by comparison....is nowhere in the same league as the US.
We'll see. What I suspect we will find when the dust settles, is that private companies like Moderna and Pfizer have to answer to shareholders, and didn't build extra manufacturing simply because it wasn't profitable to do that.
And no one at the Federal Government bothered to understand that Pfizer's goals, and America's goal, were (shocker) not the same thing. And no one bothered to FORCE Pfizer to build what was needed in the biggest National Emergency since WWII.
wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:53 pm
1) then shouldn't those governments be doing it? isn't gov't funded healthcare the awesomest?
You tell me. Have you seen the packages other 1st world countries have given their citizens? I have an awful lot of restaurant and distillery owner friends who have lost everything because of Covid.
More to my point: what do you suppose is going to happen to US non-govt. funded Health Insurance premiums when this is over, and the bailout money dries up. Get your checkbook out.
wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:53 pm
2) that's actually not true (GDP)
US GDP was at $15Trillion. Next up is Japan at $4.8 Trillion.
Seems like one is enormous, and the other, by comparison....is nowhere in the same league as the US.
We'll see. What I suspect we will find when the dust settles, is that private companies like Moderna and Pfizer have to answer to shareholders, and didn't build extra manufacturing simply because it wasn't profitable to do that.
And no one at the Federal Government bothered to understand that Pfizer's goals, and America's goal, were (shocker) not the same thing. And no one bothered to FORCE Pfizer to build what was needed in the biggest National Emergency since WWII.
A government subsidy would help bring the time horizon for a cash on cash return down. It seems as though there is significant available capacity. Coordinating it seems to be the problem. My take, poor management of the process is why we are not further ahead. What have other countries done? I am not sure. I don’t know if they are having the same roll out problems. The incoming administration says there was no plan in place. Not surprised. Trump administration figured they could continue to BS a large part of the population....
Any political opponent carries a massive sledgehammer at the ready to beat their opponent over the head with when they make a verbal gaffe.
