It doesn't take much investigation to reveal that Billy Graham had nothing to do with the founding of LIberty (the main person involved was Jerry Falwell, Sr.)runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:27 am https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxserp=0
this IS a picture of President Obama with grifter Billy Graham. Didn't he start Li ber tee University ?
keep on pushing your fear porn as if the political parities are different.
clown sho
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yeah, well, if that scumbag were alive, Obama would have met with him too, during his term. You must be a fan of the Graham family, like Obama and tRump. LOVED Franklins covid tents in Central Park.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:32 pmIt doesn't take much investigation to reveal that Billy Graham had nothing to do with the founding of LIberty (the main person involved was Jerry Falwell, Sr.)runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:27 am https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxserp=0
this IS a picture of President Obama with grifter Billy Graham. Didn't he start Li ber tee University ?
keep on pushing your fear porn as if the political parities are different.
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well, you won't get me to like him.runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 3:41 pmyeah, well, if that scumbag were alive, Obama would have met with him too, during his term. You must be a fan of the Graham family, like Obama and tRump. LOVED Franklins covid tents in Central Park.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:32 pmIt doesn't take much investigation to reveal that Billy Graham had nothing to do with the founding of LIberty (the main person involved was Jerry Falwell, Sr.)runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:27 am https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxserp=0
this IS a picture of President Obama with grifter Billy Graham. Didn't he start Li ber tee University ?
keep on pushing your fear porn as if the political parities are different.
clown sho
Re Obama, Graham multiple times questioned Obama's faith. "born a Muslim" etc... Not exactly close pals.
Falwell, worse.
Re: Religion in America
There is a world of difference between the late Billy Graham (and I am not a particular fan of his) and his son Franklin - who I think is deeply disturbed and misguided. Franklin is a big friend of Jerry Falwell Jr who was not that long ago booted from running the same Liberty U that his father founded over some wild relationships he and his wife had with a young man.
Both of the latter are full MAGA, whereas I don't think that Billy would have gotten involved in the same way.
Both of the latter are full MAGA, whereas I don't think that Billy would have gotten involved in the same way.
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.... I am not a fan of Billy Graham, but I think you got the history right. Graham had nothing to do with Liberty founding. Graham the elder was the least offensive of the bunch.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:16 pm There is a world of difference between the late Billy Graham (and I am not a particular fan of his) and his son Franklin - who I think is deeply disturbed and misguided. Franklin is a big friend of Jerry Falwell Jr who was not that long ago booted from running the same Liberty U that his father founded over some wild relationships he and his wife had with a young man.
Both of the latter are full MAGA, whereas I don't think that Billy would have gotten involved in the same way.
Re: taats.....f.or votes
The irony is off the charts. So for that matter is tge rhetoric more often than not. The Fox entertainment news approach to realityrunrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 3:41 pmyeah, well, if that scumbag were alive, Obama would have met with him too, during his term. You must be a fan of the Graham family, like Obama and tRump. LOVED Franklins covid tents in Central Park.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:32 pmIt doesn't take much investigation to reveal that Billy Graham had nothing to do with the founding of LIberty (the main person involved was Jerry Falwell, Sr.)runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:27 am https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxserp=0
this IS a picture of President Obama with grifter Billy Graham. Didn't he start Li ber tee University ?
keep on pushing your fear porn as if the political parities are different.
clown sho
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Would agree. I'm not the one pictured with Franklin Graham......that would be Obama.OCanada wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:31 amThe irony is off the charts. So for that matter is tge rhetoric more often than not. The Fox entertainment news approach to realityrunrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 3:41 pmyeah, well, if that scumbag were alive, Obama would have met with him too, during his term. You must be a fan of the Graham family, like Obama and tRump. LOVED Franklins covid tents in Central Park.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:32 pmIt doesn't take much investigation to reveal that Billy Graham had nothing to do with the founding of LIberty (the main person involved was Jerry Falwell, Sr.)runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:27 am https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxserp=0
this IS a picture of President Obama with grifter Billy Graham. Didn't he start Li ber tee University ?
keep on pushing your fear porn as if the political parities are different.
clown sho
good one......FOX news. ya got me there, I have all their APPS and purchase EVERYTHING Hannity promotes. btw, what word IS "tge" ?
you sound closed minded
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The vulgarization of the "religious" right, and the Right's removal of character as a qualification for virtually anything:
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... acter.html
"I guess Ned Flanders goes to strip clubs now.
Until this week, I hadn’t thought about the caricatured born-again Christian neighbor on the animated series The Simpsons in a long time. New York Times religion reporter Ruth Graham mentioned him and his “cheerful prudery” as examples—along with Billy Graham and George W. Bush—of what were once the best-known evangelical Christian figures in the country. Indeed, a 2001 Christianity Today cover story dubbed the character “Saint Flanders.” Evangelical Christians knew that Ned’s “gosh darn it” moral demeanor was meant to lampoon us, and that his “traditional family values” were out of step with an American culture this side of the sexual revolution.
But Ned was no Elmer Gantry. He actually aspired to the sort of personal devotion to prayer, Bible reading, moral chastity, and neighbor-love evangelicals were supposed to want, even if he did so in a treacly, ultra-suburban, middle-class North American way. As Graham points out, were he to emerge today, Flanders would face withering mockery for his moral scruples—but more likely by his white evangelical co-religionists than by his beer-swilling secular cartoon neighbors.
As Graham says, a raunchy “breasts-and-booze ethos has elbowed its way into the conservative power class, accelerated by the rise of Donald J. Trump, the declining influence of traditional religious institutions and a shifting media landscape increasingly dominated by the looser standards of online culture.” (This article you are reading right now represents something of this shift, as I spent upward of 15 minutes pondering how to quote Graham’s article without using the word breasts.)
Graham’s analysis is important for American Christians precisely because the shift she describes is not something “out there” in the culture but is instead driven specifically by the very same white evangelical subculture that once insisted that personal character—virtue, to use a now distant-sounding word the American founders knew well—matters.
Yes, part of the vulgarization of the Right is due to the Barstool Sports / Joe Rogan secularization of the base, in which Kid Rock is an avatar more than Lee Greenwood or Michael W. Smith. But much more alarmingly, the coarsening and character-debasing is happening among politicized professing Christians. The member of Congress joking at a prayer breakfast about turning her fiancé down for sex to get there was there to talk about her faith and the importance of religious faith and values for America. The member of Congress telling a reporter to “f— off” is a self-described “Christian nationalist.” We’ve seen “Let’s Go Brandon”—a euphemism for a profanity that once would have resulted in church discipline—chanted in churches.
Pastor and aspiring theocrat Douglas Wilson publicly used a slur against women that not only will I not repeat here but that almost no secular media outlet would quote—and that’s without even referencing Wilson’s creepily coarse novel about a sex robot.
Wilson, of course, cultivates a cartoonishly “Aren’t we naughty?” vibe not representative of most evangelical Christians. But the problem is the way many other Christians respond: “Well, I wouldn’t say things the way he says them, but …” In the same way, they characterize as just “mean tweets” Donald Trump attacking those claiming to be sexually assaulted by him for their looks or war heroes for being captured or disabled people for their disabilities or valorizing those who attack police officers and ransack the Capitol as “hostages.”
What’s worse is that evangelical Christians—including some I listened to pontificate endlessly about Bill Clinton’s sexual immorality (pontifications with which I agreed then and agree now)—ridicule as pearl-clutching moralists those who refuse to do exactly what they condemned Clinton’s defenders for doing, namely, weighting policy agreement over personal character.
In the midst of the late-1990s Clinton scandal, a group of scholars issued a “Declaration Concerning Religion, Ethics, and the Crisis in the Clinton Presidency,” which stated:
We are aware that certain moral qualities are central to the survival of our political system, among which are truthfulness, integrity, respect for the law, respect for the dignity of others, adherence to the constitutional process, and a willingness to avoid the abuse of power. We reject the premise that violations of these ethical standards should be excused so long as a leader remains loyal to a particular political agenda and the nation is blessed by a strong economy.
Those words seem far more distant than a Tocqueville quote now.
Our situation today would be understandable in a world in which words that come out of a person don’t represent what’s present in the heart, or in a world in which external conduct can be severed from internal character. The problem is that such an imagined world is one in which there is no Word of God. Jesus, after all, taught us the exact opposite, explicitly and repeatedly (Matt. 15:10–20; Luke 6:43–45).
Ironically, some of the very people who advance the myth of a “Christian America,” in which the American founders are retrofitted as conservative evangelicals, now embrace a view that both the orthodox Christians and the deist Unitarians of the founding era would, in full agreement, denounce. From TheFederalist Papers to the debates around the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, virtually every Founding Father—even with all their differences on the specifics of federalism—would argue that constitutional procedures and policies alone were not enough to conserve a republic: Moral norms and expectations of some level of personal character were necessary.
Do these norms keep people of bad character from ascending to high office? Not at all. Hypocrites and demagogues have always been with us. What every generation of Americans have recognized until now, though, is that there is a marked difference between some leaders not living up to the character expected of them and leaders operating in a space where there aren’t expectations of personal character. You might hire an accountant to do your taxes, only later to find that he’s a tax fraud and an embezzler. That’s quite different from hiring an open fraud because you’ve concluded that only chumps obey the tax laws.
That’s because no leader of any community, association, or nation is an abstract collection of policies. We select leaders to make decisions about matters that haven’t happened yet, or that might not even be contemplated. A dentist who screams profanities at opponents and promises a practice built around “revenge and retribution” and the tearing down of all the norms of modern dentistry is not someone you should trust with a drill in your mouth. How much more so when it comes to entrusting a person with nuclear codes.
Moreover, what conservatives in general, and Christians in particular, once knew is that what is normalized in a culture becomes an expected part of that culture. Defending a president using his power to have sex with his intern by saying, “Everybody lies about sex” isn’t just a political argument; it changes the way people think about what, in the fullness of time, they should expect for themselves. This is what Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously called “defining deviancy down.”
Louisianans defending their support for a Nazi propagandist and former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan because he’s allegedly “pro-life” is not just a “lesser of two evils” political transaction. The words pro-life Nazi—like the words pro-life sexual abuser—change the meaning of pro-life in the minds of an entire generation.
No matter what short-term policy outcomes you then “win,” you’ve ended up with a situation in which some people believe authoritarianism and sexual assault can be offset by the right “policy platform,” while others believe that opposing abuse of power or sexual anarchy must necessitate being opposed to “pro-life.” Either way you look at that, you lose.
What happens long-term with your policies in a post-character culture is important. What happens to your country is even more important. But consider also what happens to you. “If individuals live only seventy years, then a state, or a nation, or a civilization, which may last for a thousand years, is more important than an individual,” C. S. Lewis wrote. “But if Christianity is true, then the individual is not only more important but incomparably more important, for he is everlasting and the life of a state or a civilization, compared with his, is only a moment.”
The Bible not only warns us about what character degradation—from immorality to boastfulness to heartlessness and ruthlessness—can do to the souls of those practicing such things, but also about the ruinous effect on those who “approve of those who practice them” (Rom. 1:32).
Ned Flanders is not, and never was, the Christian ideal. Personal piety and upstanding morality are not enough. But we should ask the question—if The Simpsons were written today and wished to make fun of evangelical Christians, would the caricature be someone inordinately devoted to his family, to prayer, to churchgoing, to kindness to his neighbors, to the awkward purity of his speech? Or would Ned Flanders be a screaming partisan, a violent insurrectionist, a woman-ogling misogynist, or an abusive pervert?
Would that change be because the secular world has grown more hostile to Christians? Perhaps. Or would it be because, when the secular world looks at the public face of Christianity, they wouldn’t dream to think now of Ned Flanders but only of one more leering face at the strip club?
If we are hated for attempted Christlikeness, let’s count it all joy. But if we are hated for our cruelty, our sexual hypocrisy, our quarrelsomeness, our hatefulness, and our vulgarity, then maybe we should ask what happened to our witness.
Character matters. It is not the only thing that matters. But without character, nothing matters."
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... acter.html
"I guess Ned Flanders goes to strip clubs now.
Until this week, I hadn’t thought about the caricatured born-again Christian neighbor on the animated series The Simpsons in a long time. New York Times religion reporter Ruth Graham mentioned him and his “cheerful prudery” as examples—along with Billy Graham and George W. Bush—of what were once the best-known evangelical Christian figures in the country. Indeed, a 2001 Christianity Today cover story dubbed the character “Saint Flanders.” Evangelical Christians knew that Ned’s “gosh darn it” moral demeanor was meant to lampoon us, and that his “traditional family values” were out of step with an American culture this side of the sexual revolution.
But Ned was no Elmer Gantry. He actually aspired to the sort of personal devotion to prayer, Bible reading, moral chastity, and neighbor-love evangelicals were supposed to want, even if he did so in a treacly, ultra-suburban, middle-class North American way. As Graham points out, were he to emerge today, Flanders would face withering mockery for his moral scruples—but more likely by his white evangelical co-religionists than by his beer-swilling secular cartoon neighbors.
As Graham says, a raunchy “breasts-and-booze ethos has elbowed its way into the conservative power class, accelerated by the rise of Donald J. Trump, the declining influence of traditional religious institutions and a shifting media landscape increasingly dominated by the looser standards of online culture.” (This article you are reading right now represents something of this shift, as I spent upward of 15 minutes pondering how to quote Graham’s article without using the word breasts.)
Graham’s analysis is important for American Christians precisely because the shift she describes is not something “out there” in the culture but is instead driven specifically by the very same white evangelical subculture that once insisted that personal character—virtue, to use a now distant-sounding word the American founders knew well—matters.
Yes, part of the vulgarization of the Right is due to the Barstool Sports / Joe Rogan secularization of the base, in which Kid Rock is an avatar more than Lee Greenwood or Michael W. Smith. But much more alarmingly, the coarsening and character-debasing is happening among politicized professing Christians. The member of Congress joking at a prayer breakfast about turning her fiancé down for sex to get there was there to talk about her faith and the importance of religious faith and values for America. The member of Congress telling a reporter to “f— off” is a self-described “Christian nationalist.” We’ve seen “Let’s Go Brandon”—a euphemism for a profanity that once would have resulted in church discipline—chanted in churches.
Pastor and aspiring theocrat Douglas Wilson publicly used a slur against women that not only will I not repeat here but that almost no secular media outlet would quote—and that’s without even referencing Wilson’s creepily coarse novel about a sex robot.
Wilson, of course, cultivates a cartoonishly “Aren’t we naughty?” vibe not representative of most evangelical Christians. But the problem is the way many other Christians respond: “Well, I wouldn’t say things the way he says them, but …” In the same way, they characterize as just “mean tweets” Donald Trump attacking those claiming to be sexually assaulted by him for their looks or war heroes for being captured or disabled people for their disabilities or valorizing those who attack police officers and ransack the Capitol as “hostages.”
What’s worse is that evangelical Christians—including some I listened to pontificate endlessly about Bill Clinton’s sexual immorality (pontifications with which I agreed then and agree now)—ridicule as pearl-clutching moralists those who refuse to do exactly what they condemned Clinton’s defenders for doing, namely, weighting policy agreement over personal character.
In the midst of the late-1990s Clinton scandal, a group of scholars issued a “Declaration Concerning Religion, Ethics, and the Crisis in the Clinton Presidency,” which stated:
We are aware that certain moral qualities are central to the survival of our political system, among which are truthfulness, integrity, respect for the law, respect for the dignity of others, adherence to the constitutional process, and a willingness to avoid the abuse of power. We reject the premise that violations of these ethical standards should be excused so long as a leader remains loyal to a particular political agenda and the nation is blessed by a strong economy.
Those words seem far more distant than a Tocqueville quote now.
Our situation today would be understandable in a world in which words that come out of a person don’t represent what’s present in the heart, or in a world in which external conduct can be severed from internal character. The problem is that such an imagined world is one in which there is no Word of God. Jesus, after all, taught us the exact opposite, explicitly and repeatedly (Matt. 15:10–20; Luke 6:43–45).
Ironically, some of the very people who advance the myth of a “Christian America,” in which the American founders are retrofitted as conservative evangelicals, now embrace a view that both the orthodox Christians and the deist Unitarians of the founding era would, in full agreement, denounce. From TheFederalist Papers to the debates around the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, virtually every Founding Father—even with all their differences on the specifics of federalism—would argue that constitutional procedures and policies alone were not enough to conserve a republic: Moral norms and expectations of some level of personal character were necessary.
Do these norms keep people of bad character from ascending to high office? Not at all. Hypocrites and demagogues have always been with us. What every generation of Americans have recognized until now, though, is that there is a marked difference between some leaders not living up to the character expected of them and leaders operating in a space where there aren’t expectations of personal character. You might hire an accountant to do your taxes, only later to find that he’s a tax fraud and an embezzler. That’s quite different from hiring an open fraud because you’ve concluded that only chumps obey the tax laws.
That’s because no leader of any community, association, or nation is an abstract collection of policies. We select leaders to make decisions about matters that haven’t happened yet, or that might not even be contemplated. A dentist who screams profanities at opponents and promises a practice built around “revenge and retribution” and the tearing down of all the norms of modern dentistry is not someone you should trust with a drill in your mouth. How much more so when it comes to entrusting a person with nuclear codes.
Moreover, what conservatives in general, and Christians in particular, once knew is that what is normalized in a culture becomes an expected part of that culture. Defending a president using his power to have sex with his intern by saying, “Everybody lies about sex” isn’t just a political argument; it changes the way people think about what, in the fullness of time, they should expect for themselves. This is what Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously called “defining deviancy down.”
Louisianans defending their support for a Nazi propagandist and former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan because he’s allegedly “pro-life” is not just a “lesser of two evils” political transaction. The words pro-life Nazi—like the words pro-life sexual abuser—change the meaning of pro-life in the minds of an entire generation.
No matter what short-term policy outcomes you then “win,” you’ve ended up with a situation in which some people believe authoritarianism and sexual assault can be offset by the right “policy platform,” while others believe that opposing abuse of power or sexual anarchy must necessitate being opposed to “pro-life.” Either way you look at that, you lose.
What happens long-term with your policies in a post-character culture is important. What happens to your country is even more important. But consider also what happens to you. “If individuals live only seventy years, then a state, or a nation, or a civilization, which may last for a thousand years, is more important than an individual,” C. S. Lewis wrote. “But if Christianity is true, then the individual is not only more important but incomparably more important, for he is everlasting and the life of a state or a civilization, compared with his, is only a moment.”
The Bible not only warns us about what character degradation—from immorality to boastfulness to heartlessness and ruthlessness—can do to the souls of those practicing such things, but also about the ruinous effect on those who “approve of those who practice them” (Rom. 1:32).
Ned Flanders is not, and never was, the Christian ideal. Personal piety and upstanding morality are not enough. But we should ask the question—if The Simpsons were written today and wished to make fun of evangelical Christians, would the caricature be someone inordinately devoted to his family, to prayer, to churchgoing, to kindness to his neighbors, to the awkward purity of his speech? Or would Ned Flanders be a screaming partisan, a violent insurrectionist, a woman-ogling misogynist, or an abusive pervert?
Would that change be because the secular world has grown more hostile to Christians? Perhaps. Or would it be because, when the secular world looks at the public face of Christianity, they wouldn’t dream to think now of Ned Flanders but only of one more leering face at the strip club?
If we are hated for attempted Christlikeness, let’s count it all joy. But if we are hated for our cruelty, our sexual hypocrisy, our quarrelsomeness, our hatefulness, and our vulgarity, then maybe we should ask what happened to our witness.
Character matters. It is not the only thing that matters. But without character, nothing matters."
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Re: Religion in America
suck won't be voting for Trump either but it's interesting that your article mentioned Billy Graham
Didn't we just post a picture of President Obama with Franklin Graham and Billy Graham?
Man talk about beating a dead horse
Didn't we just post a picture of President Obama with Franklin Graham and Billy Graham?
Man talk about beating a dead horse
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Re: Religion in America
Still not taking the meds. Sad.
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as a bisexual and someone that is questioning their gender, we feel that you are committing a hate crime
can you add further, murderous, violent verbiage, attacking my medical intake?
you had best be careful when you attack we. Suck feels it's an active violence, and I am roughly the same age as the former Bruce Jenner was when he became a she.
I'm being completely serious and I am calling my LGBTQ friends on you I'm gonna have you disbarred for being a hateful violent person
Yeah, it all seems crazy doesn't it but yet you support this kind of lunacy
The only religion in America, that matters is the religion of "climate change"
can you add further, murderous, violent verbiage, attacking my medical intake?
you had best be careful when you attack we. Suck feels it's an active violence, and I am roughly the same age as the former Bruce Jenner was when he became a she.
I'm being completely serious and I am calling my LGBTQ friends on you I'm gonna have you disbarred for being a hateful violent person
Yeah, it all seems crazy doesn't it but yet you support this kind of lunacy
The only religion in America, that matters is the religion of "climate change"
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Re: taats.....f.or votes
You lied. Period.runrussellrun wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:01 pmWould agree. I'm not the one pictured with Franklin Graham......that would be Obama.OCanada wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:31 amThe irony is off the charts. So for that matter is tge rhetoric more often than not. The Fox entertainment news approach to realityrunrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 3:41 pmyeah, well, if that scumbag were alive, Obama would have met with him too, during his term. You must be a fan of the Graham family, like Obama and tRump. LOVED Franklins covid tents in Central Park.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:32 pmIt doesn't take much investigation to reveal that Billy Graham had nothing to do with the founding of LIberty (the main person involved was Jerry Falwell, Sr.)runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:27 am https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxserp=0
this IS a picture of President Obama with grifter Billy Graham. Didn't he start Li ber tee University ?
keep on pushing your fear porn as if the political parities are different.
clown sho
good one......FOX news. ya got me there, I have all their APPS and purchase EVERYTHING Hannity promotes. btw, what word IS "tge" ?
you sound closed minded
The Graham family has had photos taken with people of all beliefs and ethnicities globally, they don’t mean much.
Heck even i have a photo taken at Obama’s last gathering the day before he left the white house. Why you try to make an issue out of a nothing burger is just shenanigans Though it is surprising anyone but maybe you and a paltry group would think it had any merit.
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suck feels sorry for you. What did suck lie about? That billy graham started Liberty U ? That is why there was a QUESTION mark, after the sentence? And we got an answer. No, it was Jerry Falwell. Oh right....another creep.OCanada wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:17 pmYou lied. Period.runrussellrun wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:01 pmWould agree. I'm not the one pictured with Franklin Graham......that would be Obama.OCanada wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:31 amThe irony is off the charts. So for that matter is tge rhetoric more often than not. The Fox entertainment news approach to realityrunrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 3:41 pmyeah, well, if that scumbag were alive, Obama would have met with him too, during his term. You must be a fan of the Graham family, like Obama and tRump. LOVED Franklins covid tents in Central Park.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:32 pmIt doesn't take much investigation to reveal that Billy Graham had nothing to do with the founding of LIberty (the main person involved was Jerry Falwell, Sr.)runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:27 am https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxserp=0
this IS a picture of President Obama with grifter Billy Graham. Didn't he start Li ber tee University ?
keep on pushing your fear porn as if the political parities are different.
clown sho
good one......FOX news. ya got me there, I have all their APPS and purchase EVERYTHING Hannity promotes. btw, what word IS "tge" ?
you sound closed minded
The Graham family has had photos taken with people of all beliefs and ethnicities globally, they don’t mean much.
Heck even i have a photo taken at Obama’s last gathering the day before he left the white house. Why you try to make an issue out of a nothing burger is just shenanigans Though it is surprising anyone but maybe you and a paltry group would think it had any merit.
And....ummm....notice, it was another poster, that brought the Grahams name into conversation. (see seacoasters post, above ) not suck.
Lots of effort went into that visit to the Graham compound in the North Carolina mountains. So nice of Barrack to visit the ailing Billy, with Franklin sitting next too..... Was this meeting before, or AFTER the democratic party, finally, embraced the homosexuals, or people like suck, bi's?
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/ ... 2063557504
Mitt Romney approved same sex marriage and made it legal in Massachusettes. When did Romney run for POTUSA ? 2012 ?
It must have been hard for Katholic, abortion hating Biden (katholics STILL hate abortions, yes....so why belong to that religion ? )
to make that statement.
"who do you love". Wonder how many times he had to practice that response ? The hand holding helped control the lie, Joe had to spew.
Thank you Mitt, for activiationg all the hidden LOVE that the Democrats had in them.....all along.
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“You lucky I ain’t read wretched yet!”
Re: taats.....f.or votes
runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:07 amsuck feels sorry for you. What did suck lie about? That billy graham started Liberty U ? That is why there was a QUESTION mark, after the sentence? And we got an answer. No, it was Jerry Falwell. Oh right....another creep.OCanada wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:17 pmYou lied. Period.runrussellrun wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:01 pmWould agree. I'm not the one pictured with Franklin Graham......that would be Obama.OCanada wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:31 amThe irony is off the charts. So for that matter is tge rhetoric more often than not. The Fox entertainment news approach to realityrunrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 3:41 pmyeah, well, if that scumbag were alive, Obama would have met with him too, during his term. You must be a fan of the Graham family, like Obama and tRump. LOVED Franklins covid tents in Central Park.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:32 pmIt doesn't take much investigation to reveal that Billy Graham had nothing to do with the founding of LIberty (the main person involved was Jerry Falwell, Sr.)runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:27 am https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxserp=0
this IS a picture of President Obama with grifter Billy Graham. Didn't he start Li ber tee University ?
keep on pushing your fear porn as if the political parities are different.
clown sho
good one......FOX news. ya got me there, I have all their APPS and purchase EVERYTHING Hannity promotes. btw, what word IS "tge" ?
you sound closed minded
The Graham family has had photos taken with people of all beliefs and ethnicities globally, they don’t mean much.
Heck even i have a photo taken at Obama’s last gathering the day before he left the white house. Why you try to make an issue out of a nothing burger is just shenanigans Though it is surprising anyone but maybe you and a paltry group would think it had any merit.
And....ummm....notice, it was another poster, that brought the Grahams name into conversation. (see seacoasters post, above ) not suck.
Lots of effort went into that visit to the Graham compound in the North Carolina mountains. So nice of Barrack to visit the ailing Billy, with Franklin sitting next too..... Was this meeting before, or AFTER the democratic party, finally, embraced the homosexuals, or people like suck, bi's?
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/ ... 2063557504
Mitt Romney approved same sex marriage and made it legal in Massachusettes. When did Romney run for POTUSA ? 2012 ?
It must have been hard for Katholic, abortion hating Biden (katholics STILL hate abortions, yes....so why belong to that religion ? )
to make that statement.
"who do you love". Wonder how many times he had to practice that response ? The hand holding helped control the lie, Joe had to spew.
Thank you Mitt, for activiationg all the hidden LOVE that the Democrats had in them.....all along.
Still running on intellectual empty. If you need to refresh your memory di the research. Lazy shape shifting is not a good look.
A majority of Catholics prefer choice while opposing abortion personally.
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Re: taats.....f.or votes
UH huh......like belonging to RaSTAFARIAN.........suck and suck.....and NOT smoking weed. (suck is my pronoun )OCanada wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:05 pmrunrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:07 amsuck feels sorry for you. What did suck lie about? That billy graham started Liberty U ? That is why there was a QUESTION mark, after the sentence? And we got an answer. No, it was Jerry Falwell. Oh right....another creep.OCanada wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:17 pmYou lied. Period.runrussellrun wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:01 pmWould agree. I'm not the one pictured with Franklin Graham......that would be Obama.OCanada wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:31 amThe irony is off the charts. So for that matter is tge rhetoric more often than not. The Fox entertainment news approach to realityrunrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 3:41 pmyeah, well, if that scumbag were alive, Obama would have met with him too, during his term. You must be a fan of the Graham family, like Obama and tRump. LOVED Franklins covid tents in Central Park.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:32 pmIt doesn't take much investigation to reveal that Billy Graham had nothing to do with the founding of LIberty (the main person involved was Jerry Falwell, Sr.)runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:27 am https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxserp=0
this IS a picture of President Obama with grifter Billy Graham. Didn't he start Li ber tee University ?
keep on pushing your fear porn as if the political parities are different.
clown sho
good one......FOX news. ya got me there, I have all their APPS and purchase EVERYTHING Hannity promotes. btw, what word IS "tge" ?
you sound closed minded
The Graham family has had photos taken with people of all beliefs and ethnicities globally, they don’t mean much.
Heck even i have a photo taken at Obama’s last gathering the day before he left the white house. Why you try to make an issue out of a nothing burger is just shenanigans Though it is surprising anyone but maybe you and a paltry group would think it had any merit.
And....ummm....notice, it was another poster, that brought the Grahams name into conversation. (see seacoasters post, above ) not suck.
Lots of effort went into that visit to the Graham compound in the North Carolina mountains. So nice of Barrack to visit the ailing Billy, with Franklin sitting next too..... Was this meeting before, or AFTER the democratic party, finally, embraced the homosexuals, or people like suck, bi's?
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/ ... 2063557504
Mitt Romney approved same sex marriage and made it legal in Massachusettes. When did Romney run for POTUSA ? 2012 ?
It must have been hard for Katholic, abortion hating Biden (katholics STILL hate abortions, yes....so why belong to that religion ? )
to make that statement.
"who do you love". Wonder how many times he had to practice that response ? The hand holding helped control the lie, Joe had to spew.
Thank you Mitt, for activiationg all the hidden LOVE that the Democrats had in them.....all along.
Still running on intellectual empty. If you need to refresh your memory di the research. Lazy shape shifting is not a good look.
A majority of Catholics prefer choice while opposing abortion personally.
Dude......find another religion. Katholics hate gays too..........
Apparently, insults to openly admitted members of the LGBTQ communty are allowed. Would bother reporting it, but it would just go nowhere, like always. Long history of this standard. Wonder what a judge/jury would think of this "equitable" arbitration of "rules".
ILM...Independent Lives Matter
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Re: Religion in America
Didn't know whether to post in the Conservative thread, idiot thread, Trump thread, Environment thread or here. But she's talking about god, so here we go.
Obviously we should be listening to the adulterer lecture us on morality. But I love the fact that the earthquake was practically centered on Trump's Bedminster golf course. And we had a plague that killed millions sent during the Trump administration. Plus, you know, the previous eclipse where Trump did as Trump does...
I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. We should repent, and reject the golden calf for a third time. The signs are there...
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/17 ... 4416972941
Obviously we should be listening to the adulterer lecture us on morality. But I love the fact that the earthquake was practically centered on Trump's Bedminster golf course. And we had a plague that killed millions sent during the Trump administration. Plus, you know, the previous eclipse where Trump did as Trump does...
I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. We should repent, and reject the golden calf for a third time. The signs are there...
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/17 ... 4416972941
Re: Religion in America
religion's strangest alliance ~ Scientology & Farrakhan:
I made the pic small so as not to offend OuttaNowhereWregget's newly realized sensitive feelings
I made the pic small so as not to offend OuttaNowhereWregget's newly realized sensitive feelings
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
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Re: Religion in America
About fcuking time.
“ The criminal investigation into child sexual abuse in New Orleans’ Roman Catholic archdiocese has entered a major new phase, after a judge ordered the church to turn over records to Louisiana state police showing how it responded to abuse allegations over the last several decades.
The order signed on Monday seeks files that would identify every priest and deacon accused of abusing children while working in the US’s second-oldest archdiocese; when those complaints were first made; and whether the church turned those cases over to police, according to multiple sources with direct knowledge of the matter.
Significantly, police are also demanding copies of all communications among New Orleans’ current archbishop, Gregory Aymond, his aides and their superiors at the Vatican, those sources said.“
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... xual-abuse
“ The criminal investigation into child sexual abuse in New Orleans’ Roman Catholic archdiocese has entered a major new phase, after a judge ordered the church to turn over records to Louisiana state police showing how it responded to abuse allegations over the last several decades.
The order signed on Monday seeks files that would identify every priest and deacon accused of abusing children while working in the US’s second-oldest archdiocese; when those complaints were first made; and whether the church turned those cases over to police, according to multiple sources with direct knowledge of the matter.
Significantly, police are also demanding copies of all communications among New Orleans’ current archbishop, Gregory Aymond, his aides and their superiors at the Vatican, those sources said.“
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... xual-abuse
"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."