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notentitled wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:18 pm Football in the Spring and then in the Fall seems overkill. Just cancel and move on.

FannOLax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:25 pm So, no fall sports at all in 2020... or in 2020/21 school year.

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/artic ... els-sports

calourie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:00 pm

FannOLax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:25 pm So, no fall sports at all in 2020... or in 2020/21 school year.

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/artic ... els-sports

Thanks for the update Fann. No real surprises here. Feels a bit inevitable. I think many schools will follow suit, though I think there aren't too many schools as solicitous of the health of their faculty members as the Ivies. With more and more young people in Florida, Texas and elsewhere getting infected fears appear to be growing concerning the long range health effects on that previously less considered portion of the populations as well. Hopefully some real progress is made on the health front which will enable the spring season to happen. Too far out to worry about that now. I think the Ivies made the prudent decision for themselves at the moment for leaving their real reason for being ("raison d'être" for the truly, bi-lingually scholarly among us) intact.

JBFortunato wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:56 pm

calourie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:00 pm

FannOLax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:25 pm So, no fall sports at all in 2020... or in 2020/21 school year.

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/artic ... els-sports

Thanks for the update Fann. No real surprises here. Feels a bit inevitable. I think many schools will follow suit, though I think there aren't too many schools as solicitous of the health of their faculty members as the Ivies. With more and more young people in Florida, Texas and elsewhere getting infected fears appear to be growing concerning the long range health effects on that previously less considered portion of the populations as well. Hopefully some real progress is made on the health front which will enable the spring season to happen. Too far out to worry about that now. I think the Ivies made the prudent decision for themselves at the moment for leaving their real reason for being ("raison d'être" for the truly, bi-lingually scholarly among us) intact.

Their real reason for being is hardly intact judging by the plans for the scholastic year that Harvard and Princeton have unveiled, which rely primarily on the miserable failure that is online learning.

This was a decision borne of fear, not science supported by data. If this is the best that our brightest can do, we're all in big trouble.

JBFortunato wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:56 pm

calourie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:00 pm

FannOLax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:25 pm So, no fall sports at all in 2020... or in 2020/21 school year.

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/artic ... els-sports

Thanks for the update Fann. No real surprises here. Feels a bit inevitable. I think many schools will follow suit, though I think there aren't too many schools as solicitous of the health of their faculty members as the Ivies. With more and more young people in Florida, Texas and elsewhere getting infected fears appear to be growing concerning the long range health effects on that previously less considered portion of the populations as well. Hopefully some real progress is made on the health front which will enable the spring season to happen. Too far out to worry about that now. I think the Ivies made the prudent decision for themselves at the moment for leaving their real reason for being ("raison d'être" for the truly, bi-lingually scholarly among us) intact.

Their real reason for being is hardly intact judging by the plans for the scholastic year that Harvard and Princeton have unveiled, which rely primarily on the miserable failure that is online learning.

This was a decision borne of fear, not science supported by data. If this is the best that our brightest can do, we're all in big trouble.

Chousnake wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:23 pm

JBFortunato wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:56 pm

calourie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:00 pm

FannOLax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:25 pm So, no fall sports at all in 2020... or in 2020/21 school year.

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/artic ... els-sports

Thanks for the update Fann. No real surprises here. Feels a bit inevitable. I think many schools will follow suit, though I think there aren't too many schools as solicitous of the health of their faculty members as the Ivies. With more and more young people in Florida, Texas and elsewhere getting infected fears appear to be growing concerning the long range health effects on that previously less considered portion of the populations as well. Hopefully some real progress is made on the health front which will enable the spring season to happen. Too far out to worry about that now. I think the Ivies made the prudent decision for themselves at the moment for leaving their real reason for being ("raison d'être" for the truly, bi-lingually scholarly among us) intact.

Their real reason for being is hardly intact judging by the plans for the scholastic year that Harvard and Princeton have unveiled, which rely primarily on the miserable failure that is online learning.

This was a decision borne of fear, not science supported by data. If this is the best that our brightest can do, we're all in big trouble.

The Ivy League has been ahead of the curve in virtually all matters Covid. This is not a decision based on fear, but on facts. Those facts are, other than a few states in the Northeast - NY, NJ, CT in particular - that this country has done an abysmal job in handling, controlling, and mitigating this virus. The President and certain governors in the South and West have chosen to ignore science and data and experts. Instead of taking proven and simple steps and measure to control the virus - masks, social distancing, testing, tracing and the gradual and sensible reopening of society b= they politicized these basic measures. The failure of a uniform national policy and the failure to take these steps have not only squandered the progress made from March to May, but have resulted in an explosion of cases (and now hospitalizations) in the US that is rivaled globally only by Brazil. The handling of this crisis by some of our leaders will go down in history as one of the dumbest, most ignorant, and cruelest decisions in US history. Don't blame the Ivies. They are reacting to the current situation, which is, unfortunately, as dire as things were if not worse than when they decided to close schools in March.

There is a reason why the NY-NJ-CT area was able to go from the hottest of hot Covid spots to the lowest infection and positive test rates in the US (while testing more than other states by huge margins). It was not because the governors of those states were stupid, but because they were smart and recognized the threat this virus poses to the physical, mental, and economic health of their residents. If those three states could bring the positive test results down to 1% and the infection rate to .7 %, think what the rest of the US , which had fractional levels of cases as these states, could have done by taking the same measures. Instead, the false bravado and refusal to follow science and data has taken us to where we are now - 60,.000 cases a day and rising geometrically. Unfortunately, the cancellation of fall sports by the Ivies is likely the first domino of many that will fall-- again - as the USA shuts down - again.

faircornell wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:42 pm As implied above, in some ways, the schools are simply transferring COVID-19 risk to individual students' responsibilities.

JBFortunato wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:03 pm Ah, I see the Ivy League Forum is populated with true believers.

For those Dr. Fauci fans among you, perhaps you didn't see that he came out today (as he did a month ago) fully in favor of opening our schools in the fall. Of course, he changes his tune daily so who knows what he'll say tomorrow.

Any of the data regarding risk to college students is right on the CDC site, if you care to spend the time looking at it. In any case, I'll just reprint here what I posted in another forum earlier this week concerning colleges opening in the fall:

Approximately 112,000 Americans have died from Covid, 142 of those were age 15-24, and I can only assume that many or all of those young people had pre-existing health issues. During that same time period 51 people age 15-24 died of Influenza. Not to mention car accidents, other accidents, other disease, suicide and on and on. People die, and it's sad, and by discussing the data no one wishes to diminish the value of the lives lost, or the suffering those people endured. But the overall risk to college students from Covid is demonstrably and incontrovertibly tiny.

Moreover, as pointed out, there are workarounds to the risks on college campuses, even in athletics, and every student and professor should have the choice to do whatever they are comfortable doing. If you don't feel comfortable playing lacrosse this season, just don't play. Sit this year out.

It is my belief that the collateral damage to our young people associated with locking them in their homes, preventing them from spending time with friends and participating in athletics, and degrading their college experience is and will be a far, far more serious threat to their well being than Covid.

JBFortunato wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:03 pm Ah, I see the Ivy League Forum is populated with true believers.

For those Dr. Fauci fans among you, perhaps you didn't see that he came out today (as he did a month ago) fully in favor of opening our schools in the fall. Of course, he changes his tune daily so who knows what he'll say tomorrow.

Any of the data regarding risk to college students is right on the CDC site, if you care to spend the time looking at it. In any case, I'll just reprint here what I posted in another forum earlier this week concerning colleges opening in the fall:

Approximately 112,000 Americans have died from Covid, 142 of those were age 15-24, and I can only assume that many or all of those young people had pre-existing health issues. During that same time period 51 people age 15-24 died of Influenza. Not to mention car accidents, other accidents, other disease, suicide and on and on. People die, and it's sad, and by discussing the data no one wishes to diminish the value of the lives lost, or the suffering those people endured. But the overall risk to college students from Covid is demonstrably and incontrovertibly tiny.

Moreover, as pointed out, there are workarounds to the risks on college campuses, even in athletics, and every student and professor should have the choice to do whatever they are comfortable doing. If you don't feel comfortable playing lacrosse this season, just don't play. Sit this year out.

It is my belief that the collateral damage to our young people associated with locking them in their homes, preventing them from spending time with friends and participating in athletics, and degrading their college experience is and will be a far, far more serious threat to their well being than Covid.