White Nationalist Terrorism

[cradleandshoot]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

I think what organizations law enforcement choose to join when they are off duty is none of mine, yours or anybody else's damn business. You may not like it but the US Constitution also includes rights that don't preclude police officers from joining organizations you don't approve of. If their off duty activities carry over into performing their job as law enforcement officers then that is another story. Are you suggesting there should be an MD lax approved list of organizations off duty law enforcement officers can and cannot participate in? If your a member of a non approved MD lax group then you must be a white supremecist racist. The same argument could be made about black police officers who choose to be members of BLM. IMO most officers are protected by their unions. Your solution is even more scary than the problem you think needs to be solved.

[PizzaSnake]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

I think what organizations law enforcement choose to join when they are off duty is none of mine, yours or anybody else's damn business. You may not like it but the US Constitution also includes rights that don't preclude police officers from joining organizations you don't approve of. If their off duty activities carry over into performing their job as law enforcement officers then that is another story. Are you suggesting there should be an MD lax approved list of organizations off duty law enforcement officers can and cannot participate in? If your a member of a non approved MD lax group then you must be a white supremecist racist. The same argument could be made about black police officers who choose to be members of BLM. IMO most officers are protected by their unions. Your solution is even more scary than the problem you think needs to be solved.

Actually, yes. Do you have any idea what restrictions exist on travel and association for people with security clearances?

People are free to say and think what they want, but certain speech and thought are disqualifying for certain positions that poor performance of same can threaten the common weal. For example, should arsonists be allowed to be firefighters; thieves be LEOs?

[ardilla secreta]

Trump just declared himself queen of England

[cradleandshoot]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

I think what organizations law enforcement choose to join when they are off duty is none of mine, yours or anybody else's damn business. You may not like it but the US Constitution also includes rights that don't preclude police officers from joining organizations you don't approve of. If their off duty activities carry over into performing their job as law enforcement officers then that is another story. Are you suggesting there should be an MD lax approved list of organizations off duty law enforcement officers can and cannot participate in? If your a member of a non approved MD lax group then you must be a white supremecist racist. The same argument could be made about black police officers who choose to be members of BLM. IMO most officers are protected by their unions. Your solution is even more scary than the problem you think needs to be solved.

Actually, yes. Do you have any idea what restrictions exist on travel and association for people with security clearances?

People are free to say and think what they want, but certain speech and thought are disqualifying for certain positions that poor performance of same can threaten the common weal. For example, should arsonists be allowed to be firefighters; thieves be LEOs?

In case you haven't been paying attention.. a lot of firefighters especially volunteers, are the folks starting fires. What your saying is police and other public servants can't be members of any group you disapprove of? Police officers, when not on duty, have a constitutional right to express their beliefs however they see fit. When our public servants are forced to obey the rules of an ever increasing, intolerant and angry mob of FLP to assuage their agenda, then our nation will be truly in serious trouble.

[MDlaxfan76]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

I think what organizations law enforcement choose to join when they are off duty is none of mine, yours or anybody else's damn business. You may not like it but the US Constitution also includes rights that don't preclude police officers from joining organizations you don't approve of. If their off duty activities carry over into performing their job as law enforcement officers then that is another story. Are you suggesting there should be an MD lax approved list of organizations off duty law enforcement officers can and cannot participate in? If your a member of a non approved MD lax group then you must be a white supremecist racist. The same argument could be made about black police officers who choose to be members of BLM. IMO most officers are protected by their unions. Your solution is even more scary than the problem you think needs to be solved.

Actually, yes. Do you have any idea what restrictions exist on travel and association for people with security clearances?

People are free to say and think what they want, but certain speech and thought are disqualifying for certain positions that poor performance of same can threaten the common weal. For example, should arsonists be allowed to be firefighters; thieves be LEOs?

In case you haven't been paying attention.. a lot of firefighters especially volunteers, are the folks starting fires. What your saying is police and other public servants can't be members of any group you disapprove of? Police officers, when not on duty, have a constitutional right to express their beliefs however they see fit. When our public servants are forced to obey the rules of an ever increasing, intolerant and angry mob of FLP to assuage their agenda, then our nation will be truly in serious trouble.

Do they?
KKK? you good with that?
Long history of such, but not ok, right?

The Oath Keepers are avowedly anti-government.
Their leader is charged, along with other Oath Keepers, with seditious conspiracy.

The Republican nominated and approved FBI Director says that domestic extremists, mostly white nationalist, (like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Boogaloo boys, etc) forces are the primary terrorist threat in America today.

Employment doesn't grant you a right to free speech, much less anti-government beliefs and activities. You are free to leave that job, and your employer is free to terminate you.

[cradleandshoot]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

I think what organizations law enforcement choose to join when they are off duty is none of mine, yours or anybody else's damn business. You may not like it but the US Constitution also includes rights that don't preclude police officers from joining organizations you don't approve of. If their off duty activities carry over into performing their job as law enforcement officers then that is another story. Are you suggesting there should be an MD lax approved list of organizations off duty law enforcement officers can and cannot participate in? If your a member of a non approved MD lax group then you must be a white supremecist racist. The same argument could be made about black police officers who choose to be members of BLM. IMO most officers are protected by their unions. Your solution is even more scary than the problem you think needs to be solved.

Actually, yes. Do you have any idea what restrictions exist on travel and association for people with security clearances?

People are free to say and think what they want, but certain speech and thought are disqualifying for certain positions that poor performance of same can threaten the common weal. For example, should arsonists be allowed to be firefighters; thieves be LEOs?

In case you haven't been paying attention.. a lot of firefighters especially volunteers, are the folks starting fires. What your saying is police and other public servants can't be members of any group you disapprove of? Police officers, when not on duty, have a constitutional right to express their beliefs however they see fit. When our public servants are forced to obey the rules of an ever increasing, intolerant and angry mob of FLP to assuage their agenda, then our nation will be truly in serious trouble.

Do they?
KKK? you good with that?
Long history of such, but not ok, right?

The Oath Keepers are avowedly anti-government.
Their leader is charged, along with other Oath Keepers, with seditious conspiracy.

The Republican nominated and approved FBI Director says that domestic extremists, mostly white nationalist, (like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Boogaloo boys, etc) forces are the primary terrorist threat in America today.

Employment doesn't grant you a right to free speech, much less anti-government beliefs and activities. You are free to leave that job, and your employer is free to terminate you.

I think you are incorrect. If your an active duty military your judged by the rules of the UCMJ. If your a law enforcement officer what you do when your off duty is none of your business, my business or any other member of this forum if what you are doing is not illegal, immoral or unethical. You have no right to judge people who go out there and risk their lives everyday protecting you and I because your judging them by what groups they associate with. If you need a police officer to respond to an emergency at your house are you going to screen them at your front door to assure yourself they are not a member of a group you don't like???

[MDlaxfan76]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

I think what organizations law enforcement choose to join when they are off duty is none of mine, yours or anybody else's damn business. You may not like it but the US Constitution also includes rights that don't preclude police officers from joining organizations you don't approve of. If their off duty activities carry over into performing their job as law enforcement officers then that is another story. Are you suggesting there should be an MD lax approved list of organizations off duty law enforcement officers can and cannot participate in? If your a member of a non approved MD lax group then you must be a white supremecist racist. The same argument could be made about black police officers who choose to be members of BLM. IMO most officers are protected by their unions. Your solution is even more scary than the problem you think needs to be solved.

Actually, yes. Do you have any idea what restrictions exist on travel and association for people with security clearances?

People are free to say and think what they want, but certain speech and thought are disqualifying for certain positions that poor performance of same can threaten the common weal. For example, should arsonists be allowed to be firefighters; thieves be LEOs?

In case you haven't been paying attention.. a lot of firefighters especially volunteers, are the folks starting fires. What your saying is police and other public servants can't be members of any group you disapprove of? Police officers, when not on duty, have a constitutional right to express their beliefs however they see fit. When our public servants are forced to obey the rules of an ever increasing, intolerant and angry mob of FLP to assuage their agenda, then our nation will be truly in serious trouble.

Do they?
KKK? you good with that?
Long history of such, but not ok, right?

The Oath Keepers are avowedly anti-government.
Their leader is charged, along with other Oath Keepers, with seditious conspiracy.

The Republican nominated and approved FBI Director says that domestic extremists, mostly white nationalist, (like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Boogaloo boys, etc) forces are the primary terrorist threat in America today.

Employment doesn't grant you a right to free speech, much less anti-government beliefs and activities. You are free to leave that job, and your employer is free to terminate you.

I think you are incorrect. If your an active duty military your judged by the rules of the UCMJ. If your a law enforcement officer what you do when your off duty is none of your business, my business or any other member of this forum if what you are doing is not illegal, immoral or unethical. You have no right to judge people who go out there and risk their lives everyday protecting you and I because your judging them by what groups they associate with. If you need a police officer to respond to an emergency at your house are you going to screen them at your front door to assure yourself they are not a member of a group you don't like???

Sorry, but no, I don't want a Klan member ever being in a position of authority with a gun. Period, end of story.
Not with my tax dollars.

The courts agree, see links below.

I DO want to attract, recruit, and train people who have no such anti-government, racist, or plain old whack job belief systems...and pay them well to do a hard, sometimes very dangerous, job of protecting and serving their community...all of their community.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... itancy-law

https://imdiversity.com/diversity-news/ ... -kkk-ties/

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/22/10666451 ... in-the-kkk

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bl ... s-rcna5253

[cradleandshoot]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

I think what organizations law enforcement choose to join when they are off duty is none of mine, yours or anybody else's damn business. You may not like it but the US Constitution also includes rights that don't preclude police officers from joining organizations you don't approve of. If their off duty activities carry over into performing their job as law enforcement officers then that is another story. Are you suggesting there should be an MD lax approved list of organizations off duty law enforcement officers can and cannot participate in? If your a member of a non approved MD lax group then you must be a white supremecist racist. The same argument could be made about black police officers who choose to be members of BLM. IMO most officers are protected by their unions. Your solution is even more scary than the problem you think needs to be solved.

Actually, yes. Do you have any idea what restrictions exist on travel and association for people with security clearances?

People are free to say and think what they want, but certain speech and thought are disqualifying for certain positions that poor performance of same can threaten the common weal. For example, should arsonists be allowed to be firefighters; thieves be LEOs?

In case you haven't been paying attention.. a lot of firefighters especially volunteers, are the folks starting fires. What your saying is police and other public servants can't be members of any group you disapprove of? Police officers, when not on duty, have a constitutional right to express their beliefs however they see fit. When our public servants are forced to obey the rules of an ever increasing, intolerant and angry mob of FLP to assuage their agenda, then our nation will be truly in serious trouble.

Do they?
KKK? you good with that?
Long history of such, but not ok, right?

The Oath Keepers are avowedly anti-government.
Their leader is charged, along with other Oath Keepers, with seditious conspiracy.

The Republican nominated and approved FBI Director says that domestic extremists, mostly white nationalist, (like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Boogaloo boys, etc) forces are the primary terrorist threat in America today.

Employment doesn't grant you a right to free speech, much less anti-government beliefs and activities. You are free to leave that job, and your employer is free to terminate you.

I think you are incorrect. If your an active duty military your judged by the rules of the UCMJ. If your a law enforcement officer what you do when your off duty is none of your business, my business or any other member of this forum if what you are doing is not illegal, immoral or unethical. You have no right to judge people who go out there and risk their lives everyday protecting you and I because your judging them by what groups they associate with. If you need a police officer to respond to an emergency at your house are you going to screen them at your front door to assure yourself they are not a member of a group you don't like???

Sorry, but no, I don't want a Klan member ever being in a position of authority with a gun. Period, end of story.
Not with my tax dollars.

The courts agree, see links below.

I DO want to attract, recruit, and train people who have no such anti-government, racist, or plain old whack job belief systems...and pay them well to do a hard, sometimes very dangerous, job of protecting and serving their community...all of their community.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... itancy-law

https://imdiversity.com/diversity-news/ ... -kkk-ties/

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/22/10666451 ... in-the-kkk

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bl ... s-rcna5253

Where in the hell did you come up with the KKK analogy?? So your slapping labels on people that correlate to your own particular prejudice or slanted point of view. What about a black police officer who is a black panther sympathiser on his off duty hours?? What about a Hispanic police officer who sympathizes with the Latino gangs?? It ain't as easy as you want to make it out to be. IMO you have a bizarre chip on your shoulder against white police officers. That is because you see white racists hiding behind every tree. All those other racists hiding behind all of the other trees never show up as even a blip on your racist radar.

[MDlaxfan76]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

I think what organizations law enforcement choose to join when they are off duty is none of mine, yours or anybody else's damn business. You may not like it but the US Constitution also includes rights that don't preclude police officers from joining organizations you don't approve of. If their off duty activities carry over into performing their job as law enforcement officers then that is another story. Are you suggesting there should be an MD lax approved list of organizations off duty law enforcement officers can and cannot participate in? If your a member of a non approved MD lax group then you must be a white supremecist racist. The same argument could be made about black police officers who choose to be members of BLM. IMO most officers are protected by their unions. Your solution is even more scary than the problem you think needs to be solved.

Actually, yes. Do you have any idea what restrictions exist on travel and association for people with security clearances?

People are free to say and think what they want, but certain speech and thought are disqualifying for certain positions that poor performance of same can threaten the common weal. For example, should arsonists be allowed to be firefighters; thieves be LEOs?

In case you haven't been paying attention.. a lot of firefighters especially volunteers, are the folks starting fires. What your saying is police and other public servants can't be members of any group you disapprove of? Police officers, when not on duty, have a constitutional right to express their beliefs however they see fit. When our public servants are forced to obey the rules of an ever increasing, intolerant and angry mob of FLP to assuage their agenda, then our nation will be truly in serious trouble.

Do they?
KKK? you good with that?
Long history of such, but not ok, right?

The Oath Keepers are avowedly anti-government.
Their leader is charged, along with other Oath Keepers, with seditious conspiracy.

The Republican nominated and approved FBI Director says that domestic extremists, mostly white nationalist, (like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Boogaloo boys, etc) forces are the primary terrorist threat in America today.

Employment doesn't grant you a right to free speech, much less anti-government beliefs and activities. You are free to leave that job, and your employer is free to terminate you.

I think you are incorrect. If your an active duty military your judged by the rules of the UCMJ. If your a law enforcement officer what you do when your off duty is none of your business, my business or any other member of this forum if what you are doing is not illegal, immoral or unethical. You have no right to judge people who go out there and risk their lives everyday protecting you and I because your judging them by what groups they associate with. If you need a police officer to respond to an emergency at your house are you going to screen them at your front door to assure yourself they are not a member of a group you don't like???

Sorry, but no, I don't want a Klan member ever being in a position of authority with a gun. Period, end of story.
Not with my tax dollars.

The courts agree, see links below.

I DO want to attract, recruit, and train people who have no such anti-government, racist, or plain old whack job belief systems...and pay them well to do a hard, sometimes very dangerous, job of protecting and serving their community...all of their community.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... itancy-law

https://imdiversity.com/diversity-news/ ... -kkk-ties/

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/22/10666451 ... in-the-kkk

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bl ... s-rcna5253

Where in the hell did you come up with the KKK analogy?? So your slapping labels on people that correlate to your own particular prejudice or slanted point of view. What about a black police officer who is a black panther sympathiser on his off duty hours?? What about a Hispanic police officer who sympathizes with the Latino gangs?? It ain't as easy as you want to make it out to be. IMO you have a bizarre chip on your shoulder against white police officers. That is because you see white racists hiding behind every tree. All those other racists hiding behind all of the other trees never show up as even a blip on your racist radar.

my, my, you really want to defend white nationalist, anti-government organizations???

Black Panthers, back in their most active days, absolutely would and should have been an off limits organization for a police officer.

I dunno about "sympathizes with Latino gangs" but if a police officer is an active member of a violent such gang, you can bet your sweet bippy they'd be bounced off the force.

You'll note (if you bother to read my earlier posts) that I differentiated between someone who had signed up with the Oath Keepers in their early days but who had become disenchanted along the way...I read about one police office who left the organization after the Bundy ranch stand-off when it became clear the organization was an armed, violent, anti-government, paramilitary force. That's a police officer who recognized how inappropriate it was to be part of such an organization and I'd be fine with them moving forward as a law enforcement officer if they cleared psychological tests and disavowed their prior membership.

That Bundy ranch event really was the flashing red light for any police officer, any public servant for that matter.

And now, if a police officer is still part of that organization in any way post Jan 6, they should resign or be fired immediately.

And if they were ever part of the organization, they should convincingly disavow any association if they want to stay on as a public servant or become one. Heck, I'd have them in some therapy...just the way police officers are required to be in therapy after trauma events.

This is every bit as serious as the KKK.

https://theconversation.com/former-oath ... war-185006

[Typical Lax Dad]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

I think what organizations law enforcement choose to join when they are off duty is none of mine, yours or anybody else's damn business. You may not like it but the US Constitution also includes rights that don't preclude police officers from joining organizations you don't approve of. If their off duty activities carry over into performing their job as law enforcement officers then that is another story. Are you suggesting there should be an MD lax approved list of organizations off duty law enforcement officers can and cannot participate in? If your a member of a non approved MD lax group then you must be a white supremecist racist. The same argument could be made about black police officers who choose to be members of BLM. IMO most officers are protected by their unions. Your solution is even more scary than the problem you think needs to be solved.

Actually, yes. Do you have any idea what restrictions exist on travel and association for people with security clearances?

People are free to say and think what they want, but certain speech and thought are disqualifying for certain positions that poor performance of same can threaten the common weal. For example, should arsonists be allowed to be firefighters; thieves be LEOs?

In case you haven't been paying attention.. a lot of firefighters especially volunteers, are the folks starting fires. What your saying is police and other public servants can't be members of any group you disapprove of? Police officers, when not on duty, have a constitutional right to express their beliefs however they see fit. When our public servants are forced to obey the rules of an ever increasing, intolerant and angry mob of FLP to assuage their agenda, then our nation will be truly in serious trouble.

Do they?
KKK? you good with that?
Long history of such, but not ok, right?

The Oath Keepers are avowedly anti-government.
Their leader is charged, along with other Oath Keepers, with seditious conspiracy.

The Republican nominated and approved FBI Director says that domestic extremists, mostly white nationalist, (like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Boogaloo boys, etc) forces are the primary terrorist threat in America today.

Employment doesn't grant you a right to free speech, much less anti-government beliefs and activities. You are free to leave that job, and your employer is free to terminate you.

I think you are incorrect. If your an active duty military your judged by the rules of the UCMJ. If your a law enforcement officer what you do when your off duty is none of your business, my business or any other member of this forum if what you are doing is not illegal, immoral or unethical. You have no right to judge people who go out there and risk their lives everyday protecting you and I because your judging them by what groups they associate with. If you need a police officer to respond to an emergency at your house are you going to screen them at your front door to assure yourself they are not a member of a group you don't like???

Sorry, but no, I don't want a Klan member ever being in a position of authority with a gun. Period, end of story.
Not with my tax dollars.

The courts agree, see links below.

I DO want to attract, recruit, and train people who have no such anti-government, racist, or plain old whack job belief systems...and pay them well to do a hard, sometimes very dangerous, job of protecting and serving their community...all of their community.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... itancy-law

https://imdiversity.com/diversity-news/ ... -kkk-ties/

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/22/10666451 ... in-the-kkk

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bl ... s-rcna5253

Where in the hell did you come up with the KKK analogy?? So your slapping labels on people that correlate to your own particular prejudice or slanted point of view. What about a black police officer who is a black panther sympathiser on his off duty hours?? What about a Hispanic police officer who sympathizes with the Latino gangs?? It ain't as easy as you want to make it out to be. IMO you have a bizarre chip on your shoulder against white police officers. That is because you see white racists hiding behind every tree. All those other racists hiding behind all of the other trees never show up as even a blip on your racist radar.

my, my, you really want to defend white nationalist, anti-government organizations???

Black Panthers, back in their most active days, absolutely would and should have been an off limits organization for a police officer.

I dunno about "sympathizes with Latino gangs" but if a police officer is an active member of a violent such gang, you can bet your sweet bippy they'd be bounced off the force.

You'll note (if you bother to read my earlier posts) that I differentiated between someone who had signed up with the Oath Keepers in their early days but who had become disenchanted along the way...I read about one police office who left the organization after the Bundy ranch stand-off when it became clear the organization was an armed, violent, anti-government, paramilitary force. That's a police officer who recognized how inappropriate it was to be part of such an organization and I'd be fine with them moving forward as a law enforcement officer if they cleared psychological tests and disavowed their prior membership.

That Bundy ranch event really was the flashing red light for any police officer, any public servant for that matter.

And now, if a police officer is still part of that organization in any way post Jan 6, they should resign or be fired immediately.

And if they were ever part of the organization, they should convincingly disavow any association if they want to stay on as a public servant or become one. Heck, I'd have them in some therapy...just the way police officers are required to be in therapy after trauma events.

This is every bit as serious as the KKK.

https://theconversation.com/former-oath ... war-185006

John Connolly could do whatever he wanted when he was off the clock.

[Farfromgeneva]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

The question is, aside from having/creating a zero tolerance policy and I’m not sure what the tolerance would be of exactly, is this a big story that +/- 1% of this group is govt officials and law enforcement? Would we expect to have more, less or around 1% of those groups to be comprised of people who are problematic or challenged?

In other words before this story if you asked me what proportion of people of these professions/jobs had associations and philosophies contrary to their jobs and the functioning of their organizations I would’ve guessed higher than 1%. Polling margin of errors is 3-5%, slippage in retail or manufacturing is higher than 1%.

I’m not saying it’s nothing or good but I don’t learn anything really new finding out that 379/38,000 is in these seats for their work. It certainly wouldn’t imply some effort to “infiltrate” certain areas of govt though you could thne make the case if it were truly rifle shot targeted to the most influential seats (key city police in like major metros of swing states or things of that nature).

Of course it’s maybe something to be monitored but not sure any action should be taken absent specific acts that justify it. Their in the seats now and presumably didn’t actively conceal their affiliation but tweaking hiring and promotion policies are probably worth considering and if these folks violate their positions theyre affiliation is certainly context for adjudication of punishment.

[cradleandshoot]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

I think what organizations law enforcement choose to join when they are off duty is none of mine, yours or anybody else's damn business. You may not like it but the US Constitution also includes rights that don't preclude police officers from joining organizations you don't approve of. If their off duty activities carry over into performing their job as law enforcement officers then that is another story. Are you suggesting there should be an MD lax approved list of organizations off duty law enforcement officers can and cannot participate in? If your a member of a non approved MD lax group then you must be a white supremecist racist. The same argument could be made about black police officers who choose to be members of BLM. IMO most officers are protected by their unions. Your solution is even more scary than the problem you think needs to be solved.

Actually, yes. Do you have any idea what restrictions exist on travel and association for people with security clearances?

People are free to say and think what they want, but certain speech and thought are disqualifying for certain positions that poor performance of same can threaten the common weal. For example, should arsonists be allowed to be firefighters; thieves be LEOs?

In case you haven't been paying attention.. a lot of firefighters especially volunteers, are the folks starting fires. What your saying is police and other public servants can't be members of any group you disapprove of? Police officers, when not on duty, have a constitutional right to express their beliefs however they see fit. When our public servants are forced to obey the rules of an ever increasing, intolerant and angry mob of FLP to assuage their agenda, then our nation will be truly in serious trouble.

Do they?
KKK? you good with that?
Long history of such, but not ok, right?

The Oath Keepers are avowedly anti-government.
Their leader is charged, along with other Oath Keepers, with seditious conspiracy.

The Republican nominated and approved FBI Director says that domestic extremists, mostly white nationalist, (like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Boogaloo boys, etc) forces are the primary terrorist threat in America today.

Employment doesn't grant you a right to free speech, much less anti-government beliefs and activities. You are free to leave that job, and your employer is free to terminate you.

I think you are incorrect. If your an active duty military your judged by the rules of the UCMJ. If your a law enforcement officer what you do when your off duty is none of your business, my business or any other member of this forum if what you are doing is not illegal, immoral or unethical. You have no right to judge people who go out there and risk their lives everyday protecting you and I because your judging them by what groups they associate with. If you need a police officer to respond to an emergency at your house are you going to screen them at your front door to assure yourself they are not a member of a group you don't like???

Sorry, but no, I don't want a Klan member ever being in a position of authority with a gun. Period, end of story.
Not with my tax dollars.

The courts agree, see links below.

I DO want to attract, recruit, and train people who have no such anti-government, racist, or plain old whack job belief systems...and pay them well to do a hard, sometimes very dangerous, job of protecting and serving their community...all of their community.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... itancy-law

https://imdiversity.com/diversity-news/ ... -kkk-ties/

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/22/10666451 ... in-the-kkk

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bl ... s-rcna5253

Where in the hell did you come up with the KKK analogy?? So your slapping labels on people that correlate to your own particular prejudice or slanted point of view. What about a black police officer who is a black panther sympathiser on his off duty hours?? What about a Hispanic police officer who sympathizes with the Latino gangs?? It ain't as easy as you want to make it out to be. IMO you have a bizarre chip on your shoulder against white police officers. That is because you see white racists hiding behind every tree. All those other racists hiding behind all of the other trees never show up as even a blip on your racist radar.

my, my, you really want to defend white nationalist, anti-government organizations???

Black Panthers, back in their most active days, absolutely would and should have been an off limits organization for a police officer.

I dunno about "sympathizes with Latino gangs" but if a police officer is an active member of a violent such gang, you can bet your sweet bippy they'd be bounced off the force.

You'll note (if you bother to read my earlier posts) that I differentiated between someone who had signed up with the Oath Keepers in their early days but who had become disenchanted along the way...I read about one police office who left the organization after the Bundy ranch stand-off when it became clear the organization was an armed, violent, anti-government, paramilitary force. That's a police officer who recognized how inappropriate it was to be part of such an organization and I'd be fine with them moving forward as a law enforcement officer if they cleared psychological tests and disavowed their prior membership.

That Bundy ranch event really was the flashing red light for any police officer, any public servant for that matter.

And now, if a police officer is still part of that organization in any way post Jan 6, they should resign or be fired immediately.

And if they were ever part of the organization, they should convincingly disavow any association if they want to stay on as a public servant or become one. Heck, I'd have them in some therapy...just the way police officers are required to be in therapy after trauma events.

This is every bit as serious as the KKK.

https://theconversation.com/former-oath ... war-185006

"my, my, you really want to defend white nationalist, anti-government organizations???"

So that is your take?? What i am defending is the right of people, all people to be protected from the rants of a paranoid, neurotic old fool who has convinced himself that his way is the only way. I hope some day MD, you can take a break and come down off your ivory tower and do a ride along with the Baltimore police that patrol the mean streets. You can ask the white officers to their face if they are members of a white supremacist organization and why they hate black people so much.

[MDlaxfan76]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

I think what organizations law enforcement choose to join when they are off duty is none of mine, yours or anybody else's damn business. You may not like it but the US Constitution also includes rights that don't preclude police officers from joining organizations you don't approve of. If their off duty activities carry over into performing their job as law enforcement officers then that is another story. Are you suggesting there should be an MD lax approved list of organizations off duty law enforcement officers can and cannot participate in? If your a member of a non approved MD lax group then you must be a white supremecist racist. The same argument could be made about black police officers who choose to be members of BLM. IMO most officers are protected by their unions. Your solution is even more scary than the problem you think needs to be solved.

Actually, yes. Do you have any idea what restrictions exist on travel and association for people with security clearances?

People are free to say and think what they want, but certain speech and thought are disqualifying for certain positions that poor performance of same can threaten the common weal. For example, should arsonists be allowed to be firefighters; thieves be LEOs?

In case you haven't been paying attention.. a lot of firefighters especially volunteers, are the folks starting fires. What your saying is police and other public servants can't be members of any group you disapprove of? Police officers, when not on duty, have a constitutional right to express their beliefs however they see fit. When our public servants are forced to obey the rules of an ever increasing, intolerant and angry mob of FLP to assuage their agenda, then our nation will be truly in serious trouble.

Do they?
KKK? you good with that?
Long history of such, but not ok, right?

The Oath Keepers are avowedly anti-government.
Their leader is charged, along with other Oath Keepers, with seditious conspiracy.

The Republican nominated and approved FBI Director says that domestic extremists, mostly white nationalist, (like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Boogaloo boys, etc) forces are the primary terrorist threat in America today.

Employment doesn't grant you a right to free speech, much less anti-government beliefs and activities. You are free to leave that job, and your employer is free to terminate you.

I think you are incorrect. If your an active duty military your judged by the rules of the UCMJ. If your a law enforcement officer what you do when your off duty is none of your business, my business or any other member of this forum if what you are doing is not illegal, immoral or unethical. You have no right to judge people who go out there and risk their lives everyday protecting you and I because your judging them by what groups they associate with. If you need a police officer to respond to an emergency at your house are you going to screen them at your front door to assure yourself they are not a member of a group you don't like???

Sorry, but no, I don't want a Klan member ever being in a position of authority with a gun. Period, end of story.
Not with my tax dollars.

The courts agree, see links below.

I DO want to attract, recruit, and train people who have no such anti-government, racist, or plain old whack job belief systems...and pay them well to do a hard, sometimes very dangerous, job of protecting and serving their community...all of their community.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... itancy-law

https://imdiversity.com/diversity-news/ ... -kkk-ties/

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/22/10666451 ... in-the-kkk

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bl ... s-rcna5253

Where in the hell did you come up with the KKK analogy?? So your slapping labels on people that correlate to your own particular prejudice or slanted point of view. What about a black police officer who is a black panther sympathiser on his off duty hours?? What about a Hispanic police officer who sympathizes with the Latino gangs?? It ain't as easy as you want to make it out to be. IMO you have a bizarre chip on your shoulder against white police officers. That is because you see white racists hiding behind every tree. All those other racists hiding behind all of the other trees never show up as even a blip on your racist radar.

my, my, you really want to defend white nationalist, anti-government organizations???

Black Panthers, back in their most active days, absolutely would and should have been an off limits organization for a police officer.

I dunno about "sympathizes with Latino gangs" but if a police officer is an active member of a violent such gang, you can bet your sweet bippy they'd be bounced off the force.

You'll note (if you bother to read my earlier posts) that I differentiated between someone who had signed up with the Oath Keepers in their early days but who had become disenchanted along the way...I read about one police office who left the organization after the Bundy ranch stand-off when it became clear the organization was an armed, violent, anti-government, paramilitary force. That's a police officer who recognized how inappropriate it was to be part of such an organization and I'd be fine with them moving forward as a law enforcement officer if they cleared psychological tests and disavowed their prior membership.

That Bundy ranch event really was the flashing red light for any police officer, any public servant for that matter.

And now, if a police officer is still part of that organization in any way post Jan 6, they should resign or be fired immediately.

And if they were ever part of the organization, they should convincingly disavow any association if they want to stay on as a public servant or become one. Heck, I'd have them in some therapy...just the way police officers are required to be in therapy after trauma events.

This is every bit as serious as the KKK.

https://theconversation.com/former-oath ... war-185006

"my, my, you really want to defend white nationalist, anti-government organizations???"

So that is your take?? What i am defending is the right of people, all people to be protected from the rants of a paranoid, neurotic old fool who has convinced himself that his way is the only way. I hope some day MD, you can take a break and come down off your ivory tower and do a ride along with the Baltimore police that patrol the mean streets. You can ask the white officers to their face if they are members of a white supremacist organization and why they hate black people so much.

One of your more idiotic posts, cradle.

Why don't you actually bother to read what I write?

[MDlaxfan76]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

The question is, aside from having/creating a zero tolerance policy and I’m not sure what the tolerance would be of exactly, is this a big story that +/- 1% of this group is govt officials and law enforcement? Would we expect to have more, less or around 1% of those groups to be comprised of people who are problematic or challenged?

In other words before this story if you asked me what proportion of people of these professions/jobs had associations and philosophies contrary to their jobs and the functioning of their organizations I would’ve guessed higher than 1%. Polling margin of errors is 3-5%, slippage in retail or manufacturing is higher than 1%.

I’m not saying it’s nothing or good but I don’t learn anything really new finding out that 379/38,000 is in these seats for their work. It certainly wouldn’t imply some effort to “infiltrate” certain areas of govt though you could thne make the case if it were truly rifle shot targeted to the most influential seats (key city police in like major metros of swing states or things of that nature).

Of course it’s maybe something to be monitored but not sure any action should be taken absent specific acts that justify it. Their in the seats now and presumably didn’t actively conceal their affiliation but tweaking hiring and promotion policies are probably worth considering and if these folks violate their positions theyre affiliation is certainly context for adjudication of punishment.

It's actually a much lower percentage (assuming that's all) of the organization than how it's described in Wikipedia based on prior research. that said, prior research indicated a much lower # of members...it's quite possible that they've attracted a heck of a lot of new recruits. Ferguson was a big recruiting moment for them.

Oath Keepers is an American far-right[1] anti-government militia[1][3] whose members claim to be defending the Constitution of the United States.[4] It was incorporated in 2009 by founder Elmer Stewart Rhodes, a lawyer and former paratrooper.

The group encourages its members to disobey orders which they believe would violate the U.S. Constitution. Research on their membership determined that two-thirds of the Oath Keepers are former military or law enforcement, and one tenth are active duty military or law enforcement. Most research determined the Oath Keeper membership to be approximately 5,000 members, while leaked data showed Oath Keeper rosters claiming membership of 38,000.[5][6][7][8]

Several organizations that monitor U.S. domestic terrorism and hate groups describe the Oath Keepers as a far-right extremist or radical group.[1][9] In 2015, Mark Pitcavage of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) described the group as "heavily armed extremists with a conspiratorial and anti-government mindset looking for potential showdowns with the government".[10][11] According to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the group's leadership has ties to antigovernment, extremist groups and espouses a number of conspiracy and legal theories associated with the sovereign citizen movement and posse comitatus movement, chiefly, that sheriffs are the highest law enforcement authorities in the United States.[12][13][14][15] Former SPLC senior fellow Mark Potok describes the group as "an anti-government group who believe in a wild set of conspiracy theories".[16] The FBI describes the Oath Keepers as a "paramilitary organization" and a "large but loosely organized collection of militia who believe that the federal government has been coopted by a shadowy conspiracy that is trying to strip American citizens of their rights."

Oath Keepers were present wearing military fatigues during the 2014 and 2015 unrest in Ferguson, Missouri[18][19][20] when members armed with semi-automatic rifles roamed streets and rooftops.[21][22]

Multiple members of the group participated in the January 6 United States Capitol attack. By September 2021, twenty members had been indicted for federal criminal offenses, with four pleading guilty.[23][24]

The organization was subpoenaed by the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack in November 2021. Eleven members of the organization, including its founder and leader Stewart Rhodes, were indicted for seditious conspiracy in January 2022.[25] By late April 2022, 2 of those 11 indicted Oath Keepers had pled guilty to seditious conspiracy,[26] and another member who had not been named in the initial indictment pled guilty to the same charges on May 4, 2022.[27][17]

Note that this doesn't mean that active law enforcement and military have high percentages of these folks, but also note that this is just one such organization. That said, they say that they actively target recruitment of law enforcement and military, though mostly former not active.

I'm only arguing that they shouldn't be allowed to be active law enforcement or military. That's a few hundred a-holes from this org, maybe a few thousand across the board...recruit and pay well those who aren't these sorts of a-holes.

[cradleandshoot]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

The question is, aside from having/creating a zero tolerance policy and I’m not sure what the tolerance would be of exactly, is this a big story that +/- 1% of this group is govt officials and law enforcement? Would we expect to have more, less or around 1% of those groups to be comprised of people who are problematic or challenged?

In other words before this story if you asked me what proportion of people of these professions/jobs had associations and philosophies contrary to their jobs and the functioning of their organizations I would’ve guessed higher than 1%. Polling margin of errors is 3-5%, slippage in retail or manufacturing is higher than 1%.

I’m not saying it’s nothing or good but I don’t learn anything really new finding out that 379/38,000 is in these seats for their work. It certainly wouldn’t imply some effort to “infiltrate” certain areas of govt though you could thne make the case if it were truly rifle shot targeted to the most influential seats (key city police in like major metros of swing states or things of that nature).

Of course it’s maybe something to be monitored but not sure any action should be taken absent specific acts that justify it. Their in the seats now and presumably didn’t actively conceal their affiliation but tweaking hiring and promotion policies are probably worth considering and if these folks violate their positions theyre affiliation is certainly context for adjudication of punishment.

It's actually a much lower percentage (assuming that's all) of the organization than how it's described in Wikipedia based on prior research. that said, prior research indicated a much lower # of members...it's quite possible that they've attracted a heck of a lot of new recruits. Ferguson was a big recruiting moment for them.

Oath Keepers is an American far-right[1] anti-government militia[1][3] whose members claim to be defending the Constitution of the United States.[4] It was incorporated in 2009 by founder Elmer Stewart Rhodes, a lawyer and former paratrooper.

The group encourages its members to disobey orders which they believe would violate the U.S. Constitution. Research on their membership determined that two-thirds of the Oath Keepers are former military or law enforcement, and one tenth are active duty military or law enforcement. Most research determined the Oath Keeper membership to be approximately 5,000 members, while leaked data showed Oath Keeper rosters claiming membership of 38,000.[5][6][7][8]

Several organizations that monitor U.S. domestic terrorism and hate groups describe the Oath Keepers as a far-right extremist or radical group.[1][9] In 2015, Mark Pitcavage of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) described the group as "heavily armed extremists with a conspiratorial and anti-government mindset looking for potential showdowns with the government".[10][11] According to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the group's leadership has ties to antigovernment, extremist groups and espouses a number of conspiracy and legal theories associated with the sovereign citizen movement and posse comitatus movement, chiefly, that sheriffs are the highest law enforcement authorities in the United States.[12][13][14][15] Former SPLC senior fellow Mark Potok describes the group as "an anti-government group who believe in a wild set of conspiracy theories".[16] The FBI describes the Oath Keepers as a "paramilitary organization" and a "large but loosely organized collection of militia who believe that the federal government has been coopted by a shadowy conspiracy that is trying to strip American citizens of their rights."

Oath Keepers were present wearing military fatigues during the 2014 and 2015 unrest in Ferguson, Missouri[18][19][20] when members armed with semi-automatic rifles roamed streets and rooftops.[21][22]

Multiple members of the group participated in the January 6 United States Capitol attack. By September 2021, twenty members had been indicted for federal criminal offenses, with four pleading guilty.[23][24]

The organization was subpoenaed by the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack in November 2021. Eleven members of the organization, including its founder and leader Stewart Rhodes, were indicted for seditious conspiracy in January 2022.[25] By late April 2022, 2 of those 11 indicted Oath Keepers had pled guilty to seditious conspiracy,[26] and another member who had not been named in the initial indictment pled guilty to the same charges on May 4, 2022.[27][17]

Note that this doesn't mean that active law enforcement and military have high percentages of these folks, but also note that this is just one such organization. That said, they say that they actively target recruitment of law enforcement and military, though mostly former not active.

I'm only arguing that they shouldn't be allowed to be active law enforcement or military. That's a few hundred a-holes from this org, maybe a few thousand across the board...recruit and pay well those who aren't these sorts of a-holes.

So the FLP a-holes at the SPLC should decide and pass judgement on American citizens? They are entitled to their opinion but who the eff died and left them in charge of anything??? Let me know MD when you sign up for a ride along with the Baltimore police. You can express your feelings to the officers and enlighten them as to how they should be thinking. I'm sure they will appreciate your input.

So are the oath keepers more of a danger to America than say a FLP group of scum called ANTIFA? If a police officer has allegiance to ANTIFA does that also ruffle your feathers? BTW, is it illegal to be an oath keeper? I would never agree with their philosophy any more than I would agree with radical groups that take great pleasure in burning our flag in public or shouting " pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon" at a parade. I do know you are very picky about what vile and disgusting behavior gets your attention. Please spare me your typical patronizing bullchit response. No need to waste your time.

[Typical Lax Dad]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

The question is, aside from having/creating a zero tolerance policy and I’m not sure what the tolerance would be of exactly, is this a big story that +/- 1% of this group is govt officials and law enforcement? Would we expect to have more, less or around 1% of those groups to be comprised of people who are problematic or challenged?

In other words before this story if you asked me what proportion of people of these professions/jobs had associations and philosophies contrary to their jobs and the functioning of their organizations I would’ve guessed higher than 1%. Polling margin of errors is 3-5%, slippage in retail or manufacturing is higher than 1%.

I’m not saying it’s nothing or good but I don’t learn anything really new finding out that 379/38,000 is in these seats for their work. It certainly wouldn’t imply some effort to “infiltrate” certain areas of govt though you could thne make the case if it were truly rifle shot targeted to the most influential seats (key city police in like major metros of swing states or things of that nature).

Of course it’s maybe something to be monitored but not sure any action should be taken absent specific acts that justify it. Their in the seats now and presumably didn’t actively conceal their affiliation but tweaking hiring and promotion policies are probably worth considering and if these folks violate their positions theyre affiliation is certainly context for adjudication of punishment.

It's actually a much lower percentage (assuming that's all) of the organization than how it's described in Wikipedia based on prior research. that said, prior research indicated a much lower # of members...it's quite possible that they've attracted a heck of a lot of new recruits. Ferguson was a big recruiting moment for them.

Oath Keepers is an American far-right[1] anti-government militia[1][3] whose members claim to be defending the Constitution of the United States.[4] It was incorporated in 2009 by founder Elmer Stewart Rhodes, a lawyer and former paratrooper.

The group encourages its members to disobey orders which they believe would violate the U.S. Constitution. Research on their membership determined that two-thirds of the Oath Keepers are former military or law enforcement, and one tenth are active duty military or law enforcement. Most research determined the Oath Keeper membership to be approximately 5,000 members, while leaked data showed Oath Keeper rosters claiming membership of 38,000.[5][6][7][8]

Several organizations that monitor U.S. domestic terrorism and hate groups describe the Oath Keepers as a far-right extremist or radical group.[1][9] In 2015, Mark Pitcavage of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) described the group as "heavily armed extremists with a conspiratorial and anti-government mindset looking for potential showdowns with the government".[10][11] According to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the group's leadership has ties to antigovernment, extremist groups and espouses a number of conspiracy and legal theories associated with the sovereign citizen movement and posse comitatus movement, chiefly, that sheriffs are the highest law enforcement authorities in the United States.[12][13][14][15] Former SPLC senior fellow Mark Potok describes the group as "an anti-government group who believe in a wild set of conspiracy theories".[16] The FBI describes the Oath Keepers as a "paramilitary organization" and a "large but loosely organized collection of militia who believe that the federal government has been coopted by a shadowy conspiracy that is trying to strip American citizens of their rights."

Oath Keepers were present wearing military fatigues during the 2014 and 2015 unrest in Ferguson, Missouri[18][19][20] when members armed with semi-automatic rifles roamed streets and rooftops.[21][22]

Multiple members of the group participated in the January 6 United States Capitol attack. By September 2021, twenty members had been indicted for federal criminal offenses, with four pleading guilty.[23][24]

The organization was subpoenaed by the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack in November 2021. Eleven members of the organization, including its founder and leader Stewart Rhodes, were indicted for seditious conspiracy in January 2022.[25] By late April 2022, 2 of those 11 indicted Oath Keepers had pled guilty to seditious conspiracy,[26] and another member who had not been named in the initial indictment pled guilty to the same charges on May 4, 2022.[27][17]

Note that this doesn't mean that active law enforcement and military have high percentages of these folks, but also note that this is just one such organization. That said, they say that they actively target recruitment of law enforcement and military, though mostly former not active.

I'm only arguing that they shouldn't be allowed to be active law enforcement or military. That's a few hundred a-holes from this org, maybe a few thousand across the board...recruit and pay well those who aren't these sorts of a-holes.

So the FLP a-holes at the SPLC should decide and pass judgement on American citizens? They are entitled to their opinion but who the eff died and left them in charge of anything??? Let me know MD when you sign up for a ride along with the Baltimore police. You can express your feelings to the officers and enlighten them as to how they should be thinking. I'm sure they will appreciate your input.

So are the oath keepers more of a danger to America than say a FLP group of scum called ANTIFA? If a police officer has allegiance to ANTIFA does that also ruffle your feathers? BTW, is it illegal to be an oath keeper? I would never agree with their philosophy any more than I would agree with radical groups that take great pleasure in burning our flag in public or shouting " pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon" at a parade. I do know you are very picky about what vile and disgusting behavior gets your attention. Please spare me your typical patronizing bullchit response. No need to waste your time.

Jack wagons!

https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s894 ... s894is.xml

[PizzaSnake]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

The question is, aside from having/creating a zero tolerance policy and I’m not sure what the tolerance would be of exactly, is this a big story that +/- 1% of this group is govt officials and law enforcement? Would we expect to have more, less or around 1% of those groups to be comprised of people who are problematic or challenged?

In other words before this story if you asked me what proportion of people of these professions/jobs had associations and philosophies contrary to their jobs and the functioning of their organizations I would’ve guessed higher than 1%. Polling margin of errors is 3-5%, slippage in retail or manufacturing is higher than 1%.

I’m not saying it’s nothing or good but I don’t learn anything really new finding out that 379/38,000 is in these seats for their work. It certainly wouldn’t imply some effort to “infiltrate” certain areas of govt though you could thne make the case if it were truly rifle shot targeted to the most influential seats (key city police in like major metros of swing states or things of that nature).

Of course it’s maybe something to be monitored but not sure any action should be taken absent specific acts that justify it. Their in the seats now and presumably didn’t actively conceal their affiliation but tweaking hiring and promotion policies are probably worth considering and if these folks violate their positions theyre affiliation is certainly context for adjudication of punishment.

It's actually a much lower percentage (assuming that's all) of the organization than how it's described in Wikipedia based on prior research. that said, prior research indicated a much lower # of members...it's quite possible that they've attracted a heck of a lot of new recruits. Ferguson was a big recruiting moment for them.

Oath Keepers is an American far-right[1] anti-government militia[1][3] whose members claim to be defending the Constitution of the United States.[4] It was incorporated in 2009 by founder Elmer Stewart Rhodes, a lawyer and former paratrooper.

The group encourages its members to disobey orders which they believe would violate the U.S. Constitution. Research on their membership determined that two-thirds of the Oath Keepers are former military or law enforcement, and one tenth are active duty military or law enforcement. Most research determined the Oath Keeper membership to be approximately 5,000 members, while leaked data showed Oath Keeper rosters claiming membership of 38,000.[5][6][7][8]

Several organizations that monitor U.S. domestic terrorism and hate groups describe the Oath Keepers as a far-right extremist or radical group.[1][9] In 2015, Mark Pitcavage of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) described the group as "heavily armed extremists with a conspiratorial and anti-government mindset looking for potential showdowns with the government".[10][11] According to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the group's leadership has ties to antigovernment, extremist groups and espouses a number of conspiracy and legal theories associated with the sovereign citizen movement and posse comitatus movement, chiefly, that sheriffs are the highest law enforcement authorities in the United States.[12][13][14][15] Former SPLC senior fellow Mark Potok describes the group as "an anti-government group who believe in a wild set of conspiracy theories".[16] The FBI describes the Oath Keepers as a "paramilitary organization" and a "large but loosely organized collection of militia who believe that the federal government has been coopted by a shadowy conspiracy that is trying to strip American citizens of their rights."

Oath Keepers were present wearing military fatigues during the 2014 and 2015 unrest in Ferguson, Missouri[18][19][20] when members armed with semi-automatic rifles roamed streets and rooftops.[21][22]

Multiple members of the group participated in the January 6 United States Capitol attack. By September 2021, twenty members had been indicted for federal criminal offenses, with four pleading guilty.[23][24]

The organization was subpoenaed by the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack in November 2021. Eleven members of the organization, including its founder and leader Stewart Rhodes, were indicted for seditious conspiracy in January 2022.[25] By late April 2022, 2 of those 11 indicted Oath Keepers had pled guilty to seditious conspiracy,[26] and another member who had not been named in the initial indictment pled guilty to the same charges on May 4, 2022.[27][17]

Note that this doesn't mean that active law enforcement and military have high percentages of these folks, but also note that this is just one such organization. That said, they say that they actively target recruitment of law enforcement and military, though mostly former not active.

I'm only arguing that they shouldn't be allowed to be active law enforcement or military. That's a few hundred a-holes from this org, maybe a few thousand across the board...recruit and pay well those who aren't these sorts of a-holes.

So the FLP a-holes at the SPLC should decide and pass judgement on American citizens? They are entitled to their opinion but who the eff died and left them in charge of anything??? Let me know MD when you sign up for a ride along with the Baltimore police. You can express your feelings to the officers and enlighten them as to how they should be thinking. I'm sure they will appreciate your input.

So are the oath keepers more of a danger to America than say a FLP group of scum called ANTIFA? If a police officer has allegiance to ANTIFA does that also ruffle your feathers? BTW, is it illegal to be an oath keeper? I would never agree with their philosophy any more than I would agree with radical groups that take great pleasure in burning our flag in public or shouting " pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon" at a parade. I do know you are very picky about what vile and disgusting behavior gets your attention. Please spare me your typical patronizing bullchit response. No need to waste your time.

Jack wagons!

https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s894 ... s894is.xml

Or, jackholes.

[MDlaxfan76]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

The question is, aside from having/creating a zero tolerance policy and I’m not sure what the tolerance would be of exactly, is this a big story that +/- 1% of this group is govt officials and law enforcement? Would we expect to have more, less or around 1% of those groups to be comprised of people who are problematic or challenged?

In other words before this story if you asked me what proportion of people of these professions/jobs had associations and philosophies contrary to their jobs and the functioning of their organizations I would’ve guessed higher than 1%. Polling margin of errors is 3-5%, slippage in retail or manufacturing is higher than 1%.

I’m not saying it’s nothing or good but I don’t learn anything really new finding out that 379/38,000 is in these seats for their work. It certainly wouldn’t imply some effort to “infiltrate” certain areas of govt though you could thne make the case if it were truly rifle shot targeted to the most influential seats (key city police in like major metros of swing states or things of that nature).

Of course it’s maybe something to be monitored but not sure any action should be taken absent specific acts that justify it. Their in the seats now and presumably didn’t actively conceal their affiliation but tweaking hiring and promotion policies are probably worth considering and if these folks violate their positions theyre affiliation is certainly context for adjudication of punishment.

It's actually a much lower percentage (assuming that's all) of the organization than how it's described in Wikipedia based on prior research. that said, prior research indicated a much lower # of members...it's quite possible that they've attracted a heck of a lot of new recruits. Ferguson was a big recruiting moment for them.

Oath Keepers is an American far-right[1] anti-government militia[1][3] whose members claim to be defending the Constitution of the United States.[4] It was incorporated in 2009 by founder Elmer Stewart Rhodes, a lawyer and former paratrooper.

The group encourages its members to disobey orders which they believe would violate the U.S. Constitution. Research on their membership determined that two-thirds of the Oath Keepers are former military or law enforcement, and one tenth are active duty military or law enforcement. Most research determined the Oath Keeper membership to be approximately 5,000 members, while leaked data showed Oath Keeper rosters claiming membership of 38,000.[5][6][7][8]

Several organizations that monitor U.S. domestic terrorism and hate groups describe the Oath Keepers as a far-right extremist or radical group.[1][9] In 2015, Mark Pitcavage of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) described the group as "heavily armed extremists with a conspiratorial and anti-government mindset looking for potential showdowns with the government".[10][11] According to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the group's leadership has ties to antigovernment, extremist groups and espouses a number of conspiracy and legal theories associated with the sovereign citizen movement and posse comitatus movement, chiefly, that sheriffs are the highest law enforcement authorities in the United States.[12][13][14][15] Former SPLC senior fellow Mark Potok describes the group as "an anti-government group who believe in a wild set of conspiracy theories".[16] The FBI describes the Oath Keepers as a "paramilitary organization" and a "large but loosely organized collection of militia who believe that the federal government has been coopted by a shadowy conspiracy that is trying to strip American citizens of their rights."

Oath Keepers were present wearing military fatigues during the 2014 and 2015 unrest in Ferguson, Missouri[18][19][20] when members armed with semi-automatic rifles roamed streets and rooftops.[21][22]

Multiple members of the group participated in the January 6 United States Capitol attack. By September 2021, twenty members had been indicted for federal criminal offenses, with four pleading guilty.[23][24]

The organization was subpoenaed by the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack in November 2021. Eleven members of the organization, including its founder and leader Stewart Rhodes, were indicted for seditious conspiracy in January 2022.[25] By late April 2022, 2 of those 11 indicted Oath Keepers had pled guilty to seditious conspiracy,[26] and another member who had not been named in the initial indictment pled guilty to the same charges on May 4, 2022.[27][17]

Note that this doesn't mean that active law enforcement and military have high percentages of these folks, but also note that this is just one such organization. That said, they say that they actively target recruitment of law enforcement and military, though mostly former not active.

I'm only arguing that they shouldn't be allowed to be active law enforcement or military. That's a few hundred a-holes from this org, maybe a few thousand across the board...recruit and pay well those who aren't these sorts of a-holes.

So the FLP a-holes at the SPLC should decide and pass judgement on American citizens? They are entitled to their opinion but who the eff died and left them in charge of anything??? Let me know MD when you sign up for a ride along with the Baltimore police. You can express your feelings to the officers and enlighten them as to how they should be thinking. I'm sure they will appreciate your input.

So are the oath keepers more of a danger to America than say a FLP group of scum called ANTIFA? If a police officer has allegiance to ANTIFA does that also ruffle your feathers? BTW, is it illegal to be an oath keeper? I would never agree with their philosophy any more than I would agree with radical groups that take great pleasure in burning our flag in public or shouting " pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon" at a parade. I do know you are very picky about what vile and disgusting behavior gets your attention. Please spare me your typical patronizing bullchit response. No need to waste your time.

The SPLC are "a-holes"???
really, that's your carefully considered view?

No, I definitely would not be ok with someone who declared themselves members of Antifa, claiming that they should use violence to oppose fascist violence, to be on the police force.

I may sympathize with the Antifa point of view more than the Oath Keepers, and I could argue that Antifa is not "anti-government", but it's not ok to be violent. Outside the law and that conflicts with law enforcement job.

But yeah, the Oath Keepers is darn easy no-go.

[Typical Lax Dad]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

The question is, aside from having/creating a zero tolerance policy and I’m not sure what the tolerance would be of exactly, is this a big story that +/- 1% of this group is govt officials and law enforcement? Would we expect to have more, less or around 1% of those groups to be comprised of people who are problematic or challenged?

In other words before this story if you asked me what proportion of people of these professions/jobs had associations and philosophies contrary to their jobs and the functioning of their organizations I would’ve guessed higher than 1%. Polling margin of errors is 3-5%, slippage in retail or manufacturing is higher than 1%.

I’m not saying it’s nothing or good but I don’t learn anything really new finding out that 379/38,000 is in these seats for their work. It certainly wouldn’t imply some effort to “infiltrate” certain areas of govt though you could thne make the case if it were truly rifle shot targeted to the most influential seats (key city police in like major metros of swing states or things of that nature).

Of course it’s maybe something to be monitored but not sure any action should be taken absent specific acts that justify it. Their in the seats now and presumably didn’t actively conceal their affiliation but tweaking hiring and promotion policies are probably worth considering and if these folks violate their positions theyre affiliation is certainly context for adjudication of punishment.

It's actually a much lower percentage (assuming that's all) of the organization than how it's described in Wikipedia based on prior research. that said, prior research indicated a much lower # of members...it's quite possible that they've attracted a heck of a lot of new recruits. Ferguson was a big recruiting moment for them.

Oath Keepers is an American far-right[1] anti-government militia[1][3] whose members claim to be defending the Constitution of the United States.[4] It was incorporated in 2009 by founder Elmer Stewart Rhodes, a lawyer and former paratrooper.

The group encourages its members to disobey orders which they believe would violate the U.S. Constitution. Research on their membership determined that two-thirds of the Oath Keepers are former military or law enforcement, and one tenth are active duty military or law enforcement. Most research determined the Oath Keeper membership to be approximately 5,000 members, while leaked data showed Oath Keeper rosters claiming membership of 38,000.[5][6][7][8]

Several organizations that monitor U.S. domestic terrorism and hate groups describe the Oath Keepers as a far-right extremist or radical group.[1][9] In 2015, Mark Pitcavage of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) described the group as "heavily armed extremists with a conspiratorial and anti-government mindset looking for potential showdowns with the government".[10][11] According to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the group's leadership has ties to antigovernment, extremist groups and espouses a number of conspiracy and legal theories associated with the sovereign citizen movement and posse comitatus movement, chiefly, that sheriffs are the highest law enforcement authorities in the United States.[12][13][14][15] Former SPLC senior fellow Mark Potok describes the group as "an anti-government group who believe in a wild set of conspiracy theories".[16] The FBI describes the Oath Keepers as a "paramilitary organization" and a "large but loosely organized collection of militia who believe that the federal government has been coopted by a shadowy conspiracy that is trying to strip American citizens of their rights."

Oath Keepers were present wearing military fatigues during the 2014 and 2015 unrest in Ferguson, Missouri[18][19][20] when members armed with semi-automatic rifles roamed streets and rooftops.[21][22]

Multiple members of the group participated in the January 6 United States Capitol attack. By September 2021, twenty members had been indicted for federal criminal offenses, with four pleading guilty.[23][24]

The organization was subpoenaed by the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack in November 2021. Eleven members of the organization, including its founder and leader Stewart Rhodes, were indicted for seditious conspiracy in January 2022.[25] By late April 2022, 2 of those 11 indicted Oath Keepers had pled guilty to seditious conspiracy,[26] and another member who had not been named in the initial indictment pled guilty to the same charges on May 4, 2022.[27][17]

Note that this doesn't mean that active law enforcement and military have high percentages of these folks, but also note that this is just one such organization. That said, they say that they actively target recruitment of law enforcement and military, though mostly former not active.

I'm only arguing that they shouldn't be allowed to be active law enforcement or military. That's a few hundred a-holes from this org, maybe a few thousand across the board...recruit and pay well those who aren't these sorts of a-holes.

So the FLP a-holes at the SPLC should decide and pass judgement on American citizens? They are entitled to their opinion but who the eff died and left them in charge of anything??? Let me know MD when you sign up for a ride along with the Baltimore police. You can express your feelings to the officers and enlighten them as to how they should be thinking. I'm sure they will appreciate your input.

So are the oath keepers more of a danger to America than say a FLP group of scum called ANTIFA? If a police officer has allegiance to ANTIFA does that also ruffle your feathers? BTW, is it illegal to be an oath keeper? I would never agree with their philosophy any more than I would agree with radical groups that take great pleasure in burning our flag in public or shouting " pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon" at a parade. I do know you are very picky about what vile and disgusting behavior gets your attention. Please spare me your typical patronizing bullchit response. No need to waste your time.

The SPLC are "a-holes"???
really, that's your carefully considered view?

No, I definitely would not be ok with someone who declared themselves members of Antifa, claiming that they should use violence to oppose fascist violence, to be on the police force.

I may sympathize with the Antifa point of view more than the Oath Keepers, and I could argue that Antifa is not "anti-government", but it's not ok to be violent. Outside the law and that conflicts with law enforcement job.

But yeah, the Oath Keepers is darn easy no-go.

Anti Fascists are the bad guys.

[cradleandshoot]

No surprise here, cops and military full of bigots

https://apnews.com/article/oath-keepers ... f98f3e5a26

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

So is their any evidence in particular against any of the people that they were involved in the protest of 1/6? You may despise these people but unless your active duty military you still have your rights granted to you under the 1st amendment? If you have the right to burn our flag in public you have the same right to belong to whatever unpopular group that you choose to. You can't have it both ways. That is what freedom of speech looks like in a free country. When whatever group conspires to commit violence to advance their cause, then the rules have changed.

I think the accusation is that the organization, which is avowedly bigoted and anti-government, include a whole lot of police and military, including quite a few in significant positions of authority. 370 from law enforcement. And that's just one organization.

And yeah, that organization communicated, from the top, about their plans for Jan 6...

Americans do have the right to be bigoted, but do we really want them in our police forces? Do we care that they're part of an organization that actively participated in the worst of the violence on Jan 6 ?

Now, if someone had joined the organization thinking its principles were quite different and then who resigned from the org after seeing the org be part of Jan 6, ok, mistake corrected...but if not?

Would you have been cool with all the sheriffs and police officers and elected officials in the KKK during Jim Crow?

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... th-keepers

The question is, aside from having/creating a zero tolerance policy and I’m not sure what the tolerance would be of exactly, is this a big story that +/- 1% of this group is govt officials and law enforcement? Would we expect to have more, less or around 1% of those groups to be comprised of people who are problematic or challenged?

In other words before this story if you asked me what proportion of people of these professions/jobs had associations and philosophies contrary to their jobs and the functioning of their organizations I would’ve guessed higher than 1%. Polling margin of errors is 3-5%, slippage in retail or manufacturing is higher than 1%.

I’m not saying it’s nothing or good but I don’t learn anything really new finding out that 379/38,000 is in these seats for their work. It certainly wouldn’t imply some effort to “infiltrate” certain areas of govt though you could thne make the case if it were truly rifle shot targeted to the most influential seats (key city police in like major metros of swing states or things of that nature).

Of course it’s maybe something to be monitored but not sure any action should be taken absent specific acts that justify it. Their in the seats now and presumably didn’t actively conceal their affiliation but tweaking hiring and promotion policies are probably worth considering and if these folks violate their positions theyre affiliation is certainly context for adjudication of punishment.

It's actually a much lower percentage (assuming that's all) of the organization than how it's described in Wikipedia based on prior research. that said, prior research indicated a much lower # of members...it's quite possible that they've attracted a heck of a lot of new recruits. Ferguson was a big recruiting moment for them.

Oath Keepers is an American far-right[1] anti-government militia[1][3] whose members claim to be defending the Constitution of the United States.[4] It was incorporated in 2009 by founder Elmer Stewart Rhodes, a lawyer and former paratrooper.

The group encourages its members to disobey orders which they believe would violate the U.S. Constitution. Research on their membership determined that two-thirds of the Oath Keepers are former military or law enforcement, and one tenth are active duty military or law enforcement. Most research determined the Oath Keeper membership to be approximately 5,000 members, while leaked data showed Oath Keeper rosters claiming membership of 38,000.[5][6][7][8]

Several organizations that monitor U.S. domestic terrorism and hate groups describe the Oath Keepers as a far-right extremist or radical group.[1][9] In 2015, Mark Pitcavage of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) described the group as "heavily armed extremists with a conspiratorial and anti-government mindset looking for potential showdowns with the government".[10][11] According to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the group's leadership has ties to antigovernment, extremist groups and espouses a number of conspiracy and legal theories associated with the sovereign citizen movement and posse comitatus movement, chiefly, that sheriffs are the highest law enforcement authorities in the United States.[12][13][14][15] Former SPLC senior fellow Mark Potok describes the group as "an anti-government group who believe in a wild set of conspiracy theories".[16] The FBI describes the Oath Keepers as a "paramilitary organization" and a "large but loosely organized collection of militia who believe that the federal government has been coopted by a shadowy conspiracy that is trying to strip American citizens of their rights."

Oath Keepers were present wearing military fatigues during the 2014 and 2015 unrest in Ferguson, Missouri[18][19][20] when members armed with semi-automatic rifles roamed streets and rooftops.[21][22]

Multiple members of the group participated in the January 6 United States Capitol attack. By September 2021, twenty members had been indicted for federal criminal offenses, with four pleading guilty.[23][24]

The organization was subpoenaed by the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack in November 2021. Eleven members of the organization, including its founder and leader Stewart Rhodes, were indicted for seditious conspiracy in January 2022.[25] By late April 2022, 2 of those 11 indicted Oath Keepers had pled guilty to seditious conspiracy,[26] and another member who had not been named in the initial indictment pled guilty to the same charges on May 4, 2022.[27][17]

Note that this doesn't mean that active law enforcement and military have high percentages of these folks, but also note that this is just one such organization. That said, they say that they actively target recruitment of law enforcement and military, though mostly former not active.

I'm only arguing that they shouldn't be allowed to be active law enforcement or military. That's a few hundred a-holes from this org, maybe a few thousand across the board...recruit and pay well those who aren't these sorts of a-holes.

So the FLP a-holes at the SPLC should decide and pass judgement on American citizens? They are entitled to their opinion but who the eff died and left them in charge of anything??? Let me know MD when you sign up for a ride along with the Baltimore police. You can express your feelings to the officers and enlighten them as to how they should be thinking. I'm sure they will appreciate your input.

So are the oath keepers more of a danger to America than say a FLP group of scum called ANTIFA? If a police officer has allegiance to ANTIFA does that also ruffle your feathers? BTW, is it illegal to be an oath keeper? I would never agree with their philosophy any more than I would agree with radical groups that take great pleasure in burning our flag in public or shouting " pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon" at a parade. I do know you are very picky about what vile and disgusting behavior gets your attention. Please spare me your typical patronizing bullchit response. No need to waste your time.

The SPLC are "a-holes"???
really, that's your carefully considered view?

No, I definitely would not be ok with someone who declared themselves members of Antifa, claiming that they should use violence to oppose fascist violence, to be on the police force.

I may sympathize with the Antifa point of view more than the Oath Keepers, and I could argue that Antifa is not "anti-government", but it's not ok to be violent. Outside the law and that conflicts with law enforcement job.

But yeah, the Oath Keepers is darn easy no-go.

Yes the SPLC has evolved into a FLP chitshow. The SPLC use to be about getting justice. They are nothing more than a shell of what they use to be. While your peeing in your pants about police who may be members of an organization you disagree with the real problem escapes you. The real problem is why there is not ongoing evaluations from local PD departments on how the officers patrolling streets are dealing with what can only be described as PTSD. My nephew was one of those officers. He joined the RPD in 2006. He was sworn in the last class of officers while Bob Duffy was still chief of police. He was one of those naive young new officers who was a white suburban kid who wanted to be a police officer to help people. Long story short 5 years later he was a mental basket case. He was almost shot in the head, assaulted and beaten up on numerous occasions, had a drunken old man in front of a corner bodega smash a bottle in his face. Five years later he learned all of the racist traits you opine about all the time. He became a borderline alcoholic who has a couple of suicide attempts under his belt. He lives in Las Vegas now on full disability from the RPD. His hair is down to his waist and he is a big time pot head who enjoys playing hockey with his friends. He will never be the young rookie officer that just wanted to protect and serve. He will spend the rest of his life as a hot mess that struggles every day with his contempt for the people he wanted so much to help. I ask you again to volunteer for a ride a long with the Baltimore police. If your lucky maybe you will witness a crime scene when nobody at the crime scene saw anything. Your all paranoid in the abstract about police officers who don't conform to your high expectations. You completely ignore how so many of these officers deal with the everyday mayhem on the streets and not allow it to affect their personal opinions of the people they serve and what it takes as a police officer to deal with the frustration of being hated and disrespected by the people you swore an oath to protect. You remember those humiliating videos of officers having buckets of water dumped on them while being laughed at and ridiculed by the amused crowds watching it happen. You probably missed that because you were hip deep in concern about what officers might be oath keepers. Go for a ride a long. I'm sure the Baltimore police will appreciate all of your opinions.