The Nation's Financial Condition

[jhu72]

Latest on the effects of the trade war. Who's getting hurt and how?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets ... spartandhp

[dislaxxic]

A worthy read...thanks, jhu

These 12 States Are Getting Hit Hardest by Trump’s Tariffs

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[runrussellrun]

A worthy read...thanks, jhu

These 12 States Are Getting Hit Hardest by Trump’s Tariffs

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Getting hit hard by "proposed " tariffs? The moving picture claims China "proposed" $60 Billion in tariffs, but the article only adds up to $27 billion of "proposed" tariffs.

A friend sayz his company is getting hit b/c of the tariffs (sells cable for towers) Hard corp pretend CONservative, the type that AFAN rightly rails against. We all laughed at his complaints, "oh well, maybe you should buy your cable from US manufacturers"

But, but, but.....the stock market. Your 401K depends on it. (not the socialist management "fee$ )

Pretty weak article. Also, it's a clownshow that Apple products are tariffed. Liberals don't care about suicidal slave children making their products. Just a fact.

[HooDat]

don't care about suicidal slave children making their products

certainly the 0.1% globalist titans don't care.

Or actually, to be more correct, they do care, they care immensely

- they absolutely want your products manufactured in virtual slave conditions, in order to MAXIMIZE their PROFIT!!!

[dislaxxic]

So, how bout this new NAFTA?? Am i going to pay 40% more for my next new car now? At least it'll be 100% made in (North) America, right?

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[Trinity]

NAFTA 2.0.

[HooDat]

So, Bezos did some math.... and he realized

- "hey I can afford to pay my workers $15/hour, at least until I replace them all with sub-contract labor or technology.

But more importantly if I use my billions to buy enough congressmen to force my competitors who do weird things like actually employ PEOPLE, to pay $15/hr too, I can crush them"



let's not build a statue to him just yet....

[runrussellrun]

cue the elites STEM liberals and their globalism, oh well sucks to be from the lousy gene pool comments that its just buggy whip empathy.

[runrussellrun]

TAMATS. proof

http://www.crfb.org/blogs/appropriations-watch-fy-2019

or, more specifically, just one example

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/ ... vote=00207

Measure Title: A bill making appropriations for energy and water development and related agencies for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2019, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs92
NAYs5
Not Voting3
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The killing machine effort vote.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/ ... vote=00212

Measure Title: A bill making appropriations for the Department of Defense for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2019, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs93
NAYs7

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Notice Rand Paul votes NO on lots of these. In fact, all NO votes for the military killing machine funding were from CONservative party members. Not one Democrat voted NO to fund the killing machine that they claim to hate.

I know, to detailed and indepth for you. Lets try this.

>________________________party sucks.

You guys are just wrong. And allow the same ole same ole boring arguments continue. As does the voting to spend more and more to make the TAMATS and friends richer and richer.

[Bandito]

Stock Market has reached another record high under this administration!!! We are kicking ass under the Trump economy!

Thank you DJT. You are helping all Americans. Historic low Black and Hispanic unemployment. How is that Racist? It isn't. Democrats are the racist party. Always have been and will be. **** Democrats

[runrussellrun]

bandito,

know the reality of why they don't like you? B/c, aside from you using swear words, you are exactly like them in your idiotic onesidedness.

[foreverlax]

Stock Market has reached another record high under this administration!!! We are kicking ass under the Trump economy!

Thank you DJT. You are helping all Americans. Historic low Black and Hispanic unemployment. How is that Racist? It isn't. Democrats are the racist party. Always have been and will be. **** Democrats

"The stock market is at an all-time high. Think of that — over 50 percent since my election. Fifty percent. People — the 401(k)s — and they have 401(k)s, and they were dying with them for years. Now they’re so happy."

Here is the supporting evidence of that claim, by Mr. Trump. He just happens to be off by 30%....lower.

[HooDat]

and more and more the stock market is simply a measure of how the 0.1% has raped labor....

we worry about kav's gang bang parties ... the 0.1% have been gang banging the rest of the American people for decades, and we keep coming back for more.

Since when is the stock market a measure of how blue collar workers are doing? Oh, that's right, since AmeriTrade and Schwab convinced every idiot that they should be a day trader.....

I have a lawyer who likes to tell me, "I tend to advise my clients against walking backward into an ass-f@#king"......

[a fan]

So, Bezos did some math.... and he realized

- "hey I can afford to pay my workers $15/hour, at least until I replace them all with sub-contract labor or technology.

But more importantly if I use my billions to buy enough congressmen to force my competitors who do weird things like actually employ PEOPLE, to pay $15/hr too, I can crush them"

let's not build a statue to him just yet....

And to correct this problem, Republican voters thought it'd be smart to elect a card carrying member of the 1% that has never been poor in his life.

Way to go, guys.

Here's the biggest thing I've been getting from the Water Cooler over the last couple of years: The liberals told us about this crap. The liberals warned us about weakening unions, fomenting endless wars, and consistently wearing down consumer protection laws. The R's told us: if we give the Bezos of the world unfettered access to a freer market...his money would trickle down.

Have to admit, I'm getting a kick out of watching the Water Cooler's right wing slowly agreeing that the libs of the 70's-2000's were right. And imho, because we ignored them and failed to recognize that they were right------ the far left has gotten more extreme in the last 10 years.

We're doing this to ourselves.

[HooDat]

There is a lot of truth to what you say here afan. But I would say that I think the Dems walked away from the issues you list - with Bill Clinton leading the charge.

By the time Obama came along, the Dems were fully controlled by Wall Street. If you go back far enough, the parties actually acted as counter-balances to each other, and in fact needed each other to find a center that was appropriate.

The Dems of the 70's were are party you could respect: pro-union, pro-environment, pro-rights.

The GOP platform had planks that were also easy to respect: pro-self-responsibility, pro-community, pro- live-within-your-means


The problem is they both left their set of burdensome values behind in a chase for money.


The Dems are now: pro-identity politics, anti-free speech, anti-nation, pro-globalism, pro-Wall Street, anti-male, anti-co-operation

The GOP is now: pro-quiet acceptance of bigotry, anti-inclusion, pro-overspend, anti-co-operation

[jhu72]

NAFTA 2.0.

Not enough of a change to even call it 2.0. More like a NAFTA 1.1. Appear to be some promising changes, but none of it is worthy of Trump's rhetoric. Just rebranding aimed at fooling 30% of the electorate (which is pretty easy). Typical Trump, make an issue where there is little, rename what was old to something new and declare victory. Nothing new.

The relationship with Canada is still poison. Trump is maintaining the 25% tariff.

[jhu72]

There is a lot of truth to what you say here afan. But I would say that I think the Dems walked away from the issues you list - with Bill Clinton leading the charge.

By the time Obama came along, the Dems were fully controlled by Wall Street. If you go back far enough, the parties actually acted as counter-balances to each other, and in fact needed each other to find a center that was appropriate.

The Dems of the 70's were are party you could respect: pro-union, pro-environment, pro-rights.

The GOP platform had planks that were also easy to respect: pro-self-responsibility, pro-community, pro- live-within-your-means


The problem is they both left their set of burdensome values behind in a chase for money.


The Dems are now: pro-identity politics, anti-free speech, anti-nation, pro-globalism, pro-Wall Street, anti-male, anti-co-operation

The GOP is now: pro-quiet acceptance of bigotry, anti-inclusion, pro-overspend, anti-co-operation

The GOP is now anti-women, pro-sexual predator, anti-living children, pro-authoritarianism ....

[tech37]

There is a lot of truth to what you say here afan. But I would say that I think the Dems walked away from the issues you list - with Bill Clinton leading the charge.

By the time Obama came along, the Dems were fully controlled by Wall Street. If you go back far enough, the parties actually acted as counter-balances to each other, and in fact needed each other to find a center that was appropriate.

The Dems of the 70's were are party you could respect: pro-union, pro-environment, pro-rights.

The GOP platform had planks that were also easy to respect: pro-self-responsibility, pro-community, pro- live-within-your-means


The problem is they both left their set of burdensome values behind in a chase for money.


The Dems are now: pro-identity politics, anti-free speech, anti-nation, pro-globalism, pro-Wall Street, anti-male, anti-co-operation

The GOP is now: pro-quiet acceptance of bigotry, anti-inclusion, pro-overspend, anti-co-operation

The GOP is now anti-women, pro-sexual predator, anti-living children, pro-authoritarianism ....

Dems give Ellison a pass and this is what you post?...unreal

[MDlaxfan76]

There is a lot of truth to what you say here afan. But I would say that I think the Dems walked away from the issues you list - with Bill Clinton leading the charge.

By the time Obama came along, the Dems were fully controlled by Wall Street. If you go back far enough, the parties actually acted as counter-balances to each other, and in fact needed each other to find a center that was appropriate.

The Dems of the 70's were are party you could respect: pro-union, pro-environment, pro-rights.

The GOP platform had planks that were also easy to respect: pro-self-responsibility, pro-community, pro- live-within-your-means


The problem is they both left their set of burdensome values behind in a chase for money.


The Dems are now: pro-identity politics, anti-free speech, anti-nation, pro-globalism, pro-Wall Street, anti-male, anti-co-operation

The GOP is now: pro-quiet acceptance of bigotry, anti-inclusion, pro-overspend, anti-co-operation

The GOP is now anti-women, pro-sexual predator, anti-living children, pro-authoritarianism ....

Dems give Ellison a pass and this is what you post?...unreal [/quot

Ok, I'm going to bite as this seems to be really bothering you a lot and you keep saying it.

Which Dems are 'giving' "Ellison a pass"? I'm just not as up to speed on this as you apparently are. Has anyone of note in the Dem party actually said there shouldn't be an investigation of allegations against him? Is this the prevalent view of Dems, either those in positions of authority or the electorate, or are you just projecting what you imagine Dems think?

Would it not be fair to say that the Dems have been pretty tough on their own, on this specific issue of harassment or worse of women? Whole bunch of examples, right?

I thought HooDat's list was reasonable. But 72's expansion of that list, while provocative, does seem also to be reasonably descriptive of the current GOP's tilt. Painful that this is the case.

[MDlaxfan76]

Interesting list, and while I don't agree with you 100% on each item, I do agree that that tribalism begets adverse responses and outcomes.

I understand the notion that the left has had 'Authoritarian' tendencies of their own, but thankfully I don't think we've seen anything remotely akin to what we're seeing out of the Trumpist wing of the far right. I worry about breast for tat on that one given a left wing pendulum swing. And that swing is likely inevitable absent an actual fascist overthrow of our system, which I hope and pray is not actually going to happen under Trump or any GOP successor.