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jhu72 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:33 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:40 pm
The population of Florida is around 21.5 million. There were 47 people arrested that live in Florida. Clearly that makes the state an incubator for terrorists. :D It is quite possible those 47 were from the same family living in the same trailer park. I'm betting it was a double wide.
10% of the insurrectionists arrested - to date.
Maybe they spiked their orange juice? I never thought of Florida as a state where WS types hung out.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:26 pm
jhu72 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:33 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:40 pm
The population of Florida is around 21.5 million. There were 47 people arrested that live in Florida. Clearly that makes the state an incubator for terrorists. :D It is quite possible those 47 were from the same family living in the same trailer park. I'm betting it was a double wide.
10% of the insurrectionists arrested - to date.
Maybe they spiked their orange juice? I never thought of Florida as a state where WS types hung out.
I spent my honeymoon in Key West. I don't recall a single WS hanging out at Mallory Pier at sunset. There was this lady on a bike selling brownies that were out of this works delicious.


Guys like jhu72 hate the notion of Florida because of its success. 4.8% unemployment rate and #27 in Covid deaths per capita.
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Peter Brown wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:30 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:26 pm
jhu72 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:33 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:40 pm
The population of Florida is around 21.5 million. There were 47 people arrested that live in Florida. Clearly that makes the state an incubator for terrorists. :D It is quite possible those 47 were from the same family living in the same trailer park. I'm betting it was a double wide.
10% of the insurrectionists arrested - to date.
Maybe they spiked their orange juice? I never thought of Florida as a state where WS types hung out.
I spent my honeymoon in Key West. I don't recall a single WS hanging out at Mallory Pier at sunset. There was this lady on a bike selling brownies that were out of this works delicious.


Guys like jhu72 hate the notion of Florida because of its success. 4.8% unemployment rate and #27 in Covid deaths per capita.
Still waiting for the Cyber Twits to finish up in Arizona and audit DeSatan's numbers.
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editorial from Sun Sentinel:


We’re No. 1, for all the wrong reasons | Editorial


https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/ed ... story.html


Congratulations, Florida. We’ve done it.

After months of lagging behind Texas, we’ve finally caught up and are now tied with the Lone Star State in number of people arrested in connection with the Jan. 6 riot in the Capitol.

That’s according to tracking by the Sarasota Herald-Tribune, which has the number of arrestees in each state at 47.

They say everything’s bigger in Texas, but not, apparently, when it comes to disloyalty to the country.

Who knows but that we might even surpass Texas by the weekend? We’ll be no. 1 with a bullet if we keep making it easy on the FBI, like, say, posing with a lectern taken from Nancy Pelosi’s office and waving at a camera or posting on Instagram that the riot was “our Boston Tea Party” and that we’ll “F------ DO IT AGAIN” or taking it to Facebook Live while in the middle of a violent confrontation with Capitol Police or organizing with your fellow Proud Boys before entry to the hallowed halls of Congress.

Speaking of that last one, we may be tied with Texas for most arrests, but according to the Herald-Tribune’s count, we’re leading that other state in terms of arrestees who are Proud Boys or Oath Keepers. Great to know that we can rely on Floridians to be not just violently unlawful, but violently unlawful in an organized manner.

To what do we attribute Florida’s tendency toward degeneracy?
Certainly, we can write off a lot of it to population — Florida’s a big state, and statistically, we’re just going to have more lawbreakers. But the other most-populous states, no. 1 California and no. 4 New York, don’t have the number of Capitol riot arrestees found in the Lone Star and Sunshine states.

We acknowledge also that things are just weirder here, for reasons that are constantly speculated upon. Did Florida Man riot at the Capitol? Of course he did.

But one thing Florida and Texas have that California and New York do not: Congressmen like Florida’s Matt Gaetz and Texas’ Louie Gohmert, who were among just 21 Republicans in the House who voted Wednesday against awarding the Congressional Gold Medal to the officers who defended Congress during the attack. Governors like Ron DeSantis, who has pushed voting restrictions in response to the Big Lie that Donald Trump won the 2020 election, and Greg Abbott, who has pushed the lie himself and whose attorney general filed a lawsuit to try to reverse the election results.

The rot of lies and conspiracy theories that led to the Capitol riot began with Trump and his false claims of election fraud, perpetuated by his followers among Republican leadership around the country. Florida and Texas have a lot more of those Republican leaders than either California or New York. Is it so surprising that the voters who put faith in them actually believe what they say?






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Washington DC terrorist given suspended sentence


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fi ... d=msedgntp


federal judge sentenced a Capitol rioter to probation, not prison time, after she made an emotional apology to “the American people” for participating in “a savage display of violence”.

Anna Morgan-Lloyd, a 49-year-old Donald Trump supporter from Indiana, was the first person to be sentenced for participating in the 6 January attack. She will spend no time in prison after pleading guilty to a single misdemeanor charge of “parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building”.

REPUBLICAN Judge Royce C Lamberth gave Morgan-Lloyd three years of probation, but warned that other defendants who had not been as cooperative or contrite as she had been should not expect the same punishment.

“I don’t want to create the impression that probation is the automatic outcome here, because it’s not going to be,” Lamberth said.

Morgan-Lloyd had initially boasted on Facebook about how she had “stormed the Capitol”, calling the event “the most exciting day of my life”. The Indiana grandmother and a friend had only spent a little over 10 minutes inside a Capitol hallway, prosecutors said, and had not been violent, destroyed government property, incited others to commit violence, or had any apparent connections with extremist groups. Prosecutors said Morgan-Lloyd spent approximately two days in jail after storming the Capitol, and said she had cooperated fully with law enforcement and later expressed regret for her actions.


With nearly 500 people already arrested and charged for their roles in the 6 January attack, the sentencing of Morgan-Lloyd, a woman with no known connections to extremist groups, is the first indication of what kinds of sentences federal judges may impose on the hundreds of people who invaded the Capitol during the official certification of Trump’s loss in the 2020 presidential election.

While some members of extremist groups are facing more serious conspiracy charges for allegedly planning the violence at the Capitol in advance, and others are facing charges for assaulting law enforcement officers, many defendants, like Morgan-Lloyd, are facing only misdemeanor charges.

Lamberth, a Ronald Reagan appointee who has served for 33 years, acknowledged that the sentence of probation would probably be controversial: “A sizable part of our public may not think that I’m enacting an appropriate sentence in this case today, in giving you the break that I’m going to give you,” he said to Morgan-Lloyd.

While Morgan-Lloyd faced a maximum potential sentence of six months in prison, the judge said he did not think it was appropriate for him to impose a harsher sentence than federal prosecutors had requested for her: three years of probation, $500 in restitution and 120 hours of community service – more than the 40 hours prosecutors had requested.

But the judge also made a point of criticizing “the accounts of some members of Congress that January 6 was just a day of tourists walking through the Capitol. I don’t know what planet they were on, but there were millions of people in this country that saw what happened.”

In a statement before her sentencing, Morgan-Lloyd issued a tearful apology to “the court, the American people, and my family”.

“I was there to show support for President Trump peacefully, and I’m ashamed that it became a savage display of violence that day, and I would have never been there if I had a clue it was going to turn out that way.

“I never wanted to be part of anything like that, and I just wanted to apologize.”

It was a marked shift in tone from her first reaction to the Capitol attack: “Best day ever. We stormed the capitol building,” Morgan-Lloyd wrote on Facebook on 6 January, prosecutors said. She added that she and her friend “were in the first 50 people in”, authorities said.

In a sentencing memo, federal prosecutors said Morgan-Lloyd and her friend Donna Sue Bissey did not appear to have planned their actions in advance or coordinated with any extremist groups.

In a letter to the court, prosecutors said, the 49-year-old took responsibility for her actions, and wrote, “At first it didn’t dawn on me, but later I realized that if every person like me, who wasn’t violent, was removed from that crowd, the ones who were violent may have lost the nerve to do what they did.”

“I think she’s learned a lot,” Morgan-Lloyd’s attorney, Heather Shaner, told the Guardian. “This has been a trauma for her, and she knows it was a trauma for the United States of America that people did what they did, and she would never do it again.”

Shaner said that her client was “from a very small town and has had very limited life exposure”, and that she believed that many of the people who participated in the Capitol riots were “were uninformed or misinformed”.

“She’s a very fine woman, and I hope she gets probation,” Shaner said.

The conditions of her probation should include barring her owning firearms, prosecutors requested.

Unlike most federal defendants, who typically remain in detention before trial, the vast majority of people charged in the Capitol riots have already been released, a Guardian analysis found. The stark contrast in pre-trial detention rates has prompted questions about whether the predominantly white Capitol defendants were getting different treatment from prosecutors and judges than most federal defendants, who are Black and Latino.







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Brooklyn wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:11 pm Washington DC terrorist given suspended sentence


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fi ... d=msedgntp


federal judge sentenced a Capitol rioter to probation, not prison time, after she made an emotional apology to “the American people” for participating in “a savage display of violence”.

Anna Morgan-Lloyd, a 49-year-old Donald Trump supporter from Indiana, was the first person to be sentenced for participating in the 6 January attack. She will spend no time in prison after pleading guilty to a single misdemeanor charge of “parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building”.

REPUBLICAN Judge Royce C Lamberth gave Morgan-Lloyd three years of probation, but warned that other defendants who had not been as cooperative or contrite as she had been should not expect the same punishment.

“I don’t want to create the impression that probation is the automatic outcome here, because it’s not going to be,” Lamberth said.

Morgan-Lloyd had initially boasted on Facebook about how she had “stormed the Capitol”, calling the event “the most exciting day of my life”. The Indiana grandmother and a friend had only spent a little over 10 minutes inside a Capitol hallway, prosecutors said, and had not been violent, destroyed government property, incited others to commit violence, or had any apparent connections with extremist groups. Prosecutors said Morgan-Lloyd spent approximately two days in jail after storming the Capitol, and said she had cooperated fully with law enforcement and later expressed regret for her actions.


With nearly 500 people already arrested and charged for their roles in the 6 January attack, the sentencing of Morgan-Lloyd, a woman with no known connections to extremist groups, is the first indication of what kinds of sentences federal judges may impose on the hundreds of people who invaded the Capitol during the official certification of Trump’s loss in the 2020 presidential election.

While some members of extremist groups are facing more serious conspiracy charges for allegedly planning the violence at the Capitol in advance, and others are facing charges for assaulting law enforcement officers, many defendants, like Morgan-Lloyd, are facing only misdemeanor charges.

Lamberth, a Ronald Reagan appointee who has served for 33 years, acknowledged that the sentence of probation would probably be controversial: “A sizable part of our public may not think that I’m enacting an appropriate sentence in this case today, in giving you the break that I’m going to give you,” he said to Morgan-Lloyd.

While Morgan-Lloyd faced a maximum potential sentence of six months in prison, the judge said he did not think it was appropriate for him to impose a harsher sentence than federal prosecutors had requested for her: three years of probation, $500 in restitution and 120 hours of community service – more than the 40 hours prosecutors had requested.

But the judge also made a point of criticizing “the accounts of some members of Congress that January 6 was just a day of tourists walking through the Capitol. I don’t know what planet they were on, but there were millions of people in this country that saw what happened.”

In a statement before her sentencing, Morgan-Lloyd issued a tearful apology to “the court, the American people, and my family”.

“I was there to show support for President Trump peacefully, and I’m ashamed that it became a savage display of violence that day, and I would have never been there if I had a clue it was going to turn out that way.

“I never wanted to be part of anything like that, and I just wanted to apologize.”

It was a marked shift in tone from her first reaction to the Capitol attack: “Best day ever. We stormed the capitol building,” Morgan-Lloyd wrote on Facebook on 6 January, prosecutors said. She added that she and her friend “were in the first 50 people in”, authorities said.

In a sentencing memo, federal prosecutors said Morgan-Lloyd and her friend Donna Sue Bissey did not appear to have planned their actions in advance or coordinated with any extremist groups.

In a letter to the court, prosecutors said, the 49-year-old took responsibility for her actions, and wrote, “At first it didn’t dawn on me, but later I realized that if every person like me, who wasn’t violent, was removed from that crowd, the ones who were violent may have lost the nerve to do what they did.”

“I think she’s learned a lot,” Morgan-Lloyd’s attorney, Heather Shaner, told the Guardian. “This has been a trauma for her, and she knows it was a trauma for the United States of America that people did what they did, and she would never do it again.”

Shaner said that her client was “from a very small town and has had very limited life exposure”, and that she believed that many of the people who participated in the Capitol riots were “were uninformed or misinformed”.

“She’s a very fine woman, and I hope she gets probation,” Shaner said.

The conditions of her probation should include barring her owning firearms, prosecutors requested.

Unlike most federal defendants, who typically remain in detention before trial, the vast majority of people charged in the Capitol riots have already been released, a Guardian analysis found. The stark contrast in pre-trial detention rates has prompted questions about whether the predominantly white Capitol defendants were getting different treatment from prosecutors and judges than most federal defendants, who are Black and Latino.


ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF REPUKEBLICON WHITE PRIVILEGE AND REPUKEBLICON JUDICIAL CORRUPTION.




Yeah a 50 year old grandmother who was blindly walking in the capitol needs the guilotine, right?! :roll:

I thought we were against the prison industrial complex? What changed?

Meanwhile Brook and Democrats want more gestapo raids like this (who’s the totalitarian again?)

https://nypost.com/2021/06/23/fbi-tears ... ds-devine/
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Brooklyn wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:11 pm Washington DC terrorist given suspended sentence


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fi ... d=msedgntp


federal judge sentenced a Capitol rioter to probation, not prison time, after she made an emotional apology to “the American people” for participating in “a savage display of violence”.

Anna Morgan-Lloyd, a 49-year-old Donald Trump supporter from Indiana, was the first person to be sentenced for participating in the 6 January attack. She will spend no time in prison after pleading guilty to a single misdemeanor charge of “parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building”.

REPUBLICAN Judge Royce C Lamberth gave Morgan-Lloyd three years of probation, but warned that other defendants who had not been as cooperative or contrite as she had been should not expect the same punishment.

“I don’t want to create the impression that probation is the automatic outcome here, because it’s not going to be,” Lamberth said.

Morgan-Lloyd had initially boasted on Facebook about how she had “stormed the Capitol”, calling the event “the most exciting day of my life”. The Indiana grandmother and a friend had only spent a little over 10 minutes inside a Capitol hallway, prosecutors said, and had not been violent, destroyed government property, incited others to commit violence, or had any apparent connections with extremist groups. Prosecutors said Morgan-Lloyd spent approximately two days in jail after storming the Capitol, and said she had cooperated fully with law enforcement and later expressed regret for her actions.


With nearly 500 people already arrested and charged for their roles in the 6 January attack, the sentencing of Morgan-Lloyd, a woman with no known connections to extremist groups, is the first indication of what kinds of sentences federal judges may impose on the hundreds of people who invaded the Capitol during the official certification of Trump’s loss in the 2020 presidential election.

While some members of extremist groups are facing more serious conspiracy charges for allegedly planning the violence at the Capitol in advance, and others are facing charges for assaulting law enforcement officers, many defendants, like Morgan-Lloyd, are facing only misdemeanor charges.

Lamberth, a Ronald Reagan appointee who has served for 33 years, acknowledged that the sentence of probation would probably be controversial: “A sizable part of our public may not think that I’m enacting an appropriate sentence in this case today, in giving you the break that I’m going to give you,” he said to Morgan-Lloyd.

While Morgan-Lloyd faced a maximum potential sentence of six months in prison, the judge said he did not think it was appropriate for him to impose a harsher sentence than federal prosecutors had requested for her: three years of probation, $500 in restitution and 120 hours of community service – more than the 40 hours prosecutors had requested.

But the judge also made a point of criticizing “the accounts of some members of Congress that January 6 was just a day of tourists walking through the Capitol. I don’t know what planet they were on, but there were millions of people in this country that saw what happened.”

In a statement before her sentencing, Morgan-Lloyd issued a tearful apology to “the court, the American people, and my family”.

“I was there to show support for President Trump peacefully, and I’m ashamed that it became a savage display of violence that day, and I would have never been there if I had a clue it was going to turn out that way.

“I never wanted to be part of anything like that, and I just wanted to apologize.”

It was a marked shift in tone from her first reaction to the Capitol attack: “Best day ever. We stormed the capitol building,” Morgan-Lloyd wrote on Facebook on 6 January, prosecutors said. She added that she and her friend “were in the first 50 people in”, authorities said.

In a sentencing memo, federal prosecutors said Morgan-Lloyd and her friend Donna Sue Bissey did not appear to have planned their actions in advance or coordinated with any extremist groups.

In a letter to the court, prosecutors said, the 49-year-old took responsibility for her actions, and wrote, “At first it didn’t dawn on me, but later I realized that if every person like me, who wasn’t violent, was removed from that crowd, the ones who were violent may have lost the nerve to do what they did.”

“I think she’s learned a lot,” Morgan-Lloyd’s attorney, Heather Shaner, told the Guardian. “This has been a trauma for her, and she knows it was a trauma for the United States of America that people did what they did, and she would never do it again.”

Shaner said that her client was “from a very small town and has had very limited life exposure”, and that she believed that many of the people who participated in the Capitol riots were “were uninformed or misinformed”.

“She’s a very fine woman, and I hope she gets probation,” Shaner said.

The conditions of her probation should include barring her owning firearms, prosecutors requested.

Unlike most federal defendants, who typically remain in detention before trial, the vast majority of people charged in the Capitol riots have already been released, a Guardian analysis found. The stark contrast in pre-trial detention rates has prompted questions about whether the predominantly white Capitol defendants were getting different treatment from prosecutors and judges than most federal defendants, who are Black and Latino.







ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF REPUKEBLICON WHITE PRIVILEGE AND REPUKEBLICON JUDICIAL CORRUPTION.
I don't think that's the way to read this judgment.
Seems to me that she's one step worse than my brother-in-law who was on the steps, not inside and not in the violence...but definitely all-in on the Big Lie and support of Trump. Delusional. He had no expectation beyond protest. Personally I think he's guilty of criminal trespass, but I'd give such a pass for those outside and not violent or destructive, and focus on those who actually went in, and especially those who were violent and destructive and most especially those who were organized and encouraged others to be violent.

She's a convicted criminal. But she was not violent or destructive, left the building quickly, and is repentant. She stepped up early and didn't oppose the charges, asked for leniency.

The judge, appointed by Reagan, is very clear that others will be sentenced very differently according to their crimes.

Expect it.

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Suddenly, no knock warrants, handcuffing people in front of their neighbors, arrests, and/or convictions for criminal trespass somehow constitute illegal government activity.

What caused this drastic change?

Oh wait, I know the answer: two right wing delusionals who march in favor of and openly support violent subversion suddenly find religion, tearfully scream "I repent", invoke the Sacred Canons, and call upon the Holy Angels in Heaven so that all this makes them exempt from the law. We as a society are now obligated to forgive them for their crimes and give them both a few kisses on their buttocks while congratulating them for their subversive activities. Had they been BLM or anti Vietnam war types the right wingers who love those delusional right wingers would be calling for the hanging tree or permanent exile to Guantánamo.
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Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:29 am
Brooklyn wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:11 pm Washington DC terrorist given suspended sentence


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fi ... d=msedgntp


federal judge sentenced a Capitol rioter to probation, not prison time, after she made an emotional apology to “the American people” for participating in “a savage display of violence”.

Anna Morgan-Lloyd, a 49-year-old Donald Trump supporter from Indiana, was the first person to be sentenced for participating in the 6 January attack. She will spend no time in prison after pleading guilty to a single misdemeanor charge of “parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building”.

REPUBLICAN Judge Royce C Lamberth gave Morgan-Lloyd three years of probation, but warned that other defendants who had not been as cooperative or contrite as she had been should not expect the same punishment.

“I don’t want to create the impression that probation is the automatic outcome here, because it’s not going to be,” Lamberth said.

Morgan-Lloyd had initially boasted on Facebook about how she had “stormed the Capitol”, calling the event “the most exciting day of my life”. The Indiana grandmother and a friend had only spent a little over 10 minutes inside a Capitol hallway, prosecutors said, and had not been violent, destroyed government property, incited others to commit violence, or had any apparent connections with extremist groups. Prosecutors said Morgan-Lloyd spent approximately two days in jail after storming the Capitol, and said she had cooperated fully with law enforcement and later expressed regret for her actions.


With nearly 500 people already arrested and charged for their roles in the 6 January attack, the sentencing of Morgan-Lloyd, a woman with no known connections to extremist groups, is the first indication of what kinds of sentences federal judges may impose on the hundreds of people who invaded the Capitol during the official certification of Trump’s loss in the 2020 presidential election.

While some members of extremist groups are facing more serious conspiracy charges for allegedly planning the violence at the Capitol in advance, and others are facing charges for assaulting law enforcement officers, many defendants, like Morgan-Lloyd, are facing only misdemeanor charges.

Lamberth, a Ronald Reagan appointee who has served for 33 years, acknowledged that the sentence of probation would probably be controversial: “A sizable part of our public may not think that I’m enacting an appropriate sentence in this case today, in giving you the break that I’m going to give you,” he said to Morgan-Lloyd.

While Morgan-Lloyd faced a maximum potential sentence of six months in prison, the judge said he did not think it was appropriate for him to impose a harsher sentence than federal prosecutors had requested for her: three years of probation, $500 in restitution and 120 hours of community service – more than the 40 hours prosecutors had requested.

But the judge also made a point of criticizing “the accounts of some members of Congress that January 6 was just a day of tourists walking through the Capitol. I don’t know what planet they were on, but there were millions of people in this country that saw what happened.”

In a statement before her sentencing, Morgan-Lloyd issued a tearful apology to “the court, the American people, and my family”.

“I was there to show support for President Trump peacefully, and I’m ashamed that it became a savage display of violence that day, and I would have never been there if I had a clue it was going to turn out that way.

“I never wanted to be part of anything like that, and I just wanted to apologize.”

It was a marked shift in tone from her first reaction to the Capitol attack: “Best day ever. We stormed the capitol building,” Morgan-Lloyd wrote on Facebook on 6 January, prosecutors said. She added that she and her friend “were in the first 50 people in”, authorities said.

In a sentencing memo, federal prosecutors said Morgan-Lloyd and her friend Donna Sue Bissey did not appear to have planned their actions in advance or coordinated with any extremist groups.

In a letter to the court, prosecutors said, the 49-year-old took responsibility for her actions, and wrote, “At first it didn’t dawn on me, but later I realized that if every person like me, who wasn’t violent, was removed from that crowd, the ones who were violent may have lost the nerve to do what they did.”

“I think she’s learned a lot,” Morgan-Lloyd’s attorney, Heather Shaner, told the Guardian. “This has been a trauma for her, and she knows it was a trauma for the United States of America that people did what they did, and she would never do it again.”

Shaner said that her client was “from a very small town and has had very limited life exposure”, and that she believed that many of the people who participated in the Capitol riots were “were uninformed or misinformed”.

“She’s a very fine woman, and I hope she gets probation,” Shaner said.

The conditions of her probation should include barring her owning firearms, prosecutors requested.

Unlike most federal defendants, who typically remain in detention before trial, the vast majority of people charged in the Capitol riots have already been released, a Guardian analysis found. The stark contrast in pre-trial detention rates has prompted questions about whether the predominantly white Capitol defendants were getting different treatment from prosecutors and judges than most federal defendants, who are Black and Latino.


ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF REPUKEBLICON WHITE PRIVILEGE AND REPUKEBLICON JUDICIAL CORRUPTION.




Yeah a 50 year old grandmother who was blindly walking in the capitol needs the guilotine, right?! :roll:

I thought we were against the prison industrial complex? What changed?

Meanwhile Brook and Democrats want more gestapo raids like this (who’s the totalitarian again?)

https://nypost.com/2021/06/23/fbi-tears ... ds-devine/
So we pick and choose which laws we obey? Might want to rethink that position.

Or did you mean to say, "50 year old [white] grandmother blindly walking in the capital"? Is she blind? Sure seems stupid, I'll say that.
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Brooklyn wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:34 am Suddenly, no knock warrants, handcuffing people in front of their neighbors, arrests, and/or convictions for criminal trespass somehow constitute illegal government activity.

What caused this drastic change?

Oh wait, I know the answer: two right wing delusionals who march in favor of and openly support violent subversion suddenly find religion, tearfully scream "I repent", invoke the Sacred Canons, and call upon the Holy Angels in Heaven so that all this makes them exempt from the law. We as a society are now obligated to forgive them for their crimes and give them both a few kisses on their buttocks while congratulating them for their subversive activities. Had they been BLM or anti Vietnam war types the right wingers who love those delusional right wingers would be calling for the hanging tree or permanent exile to Guantánamo.
I remember when Trump hosted a town hall when he was running his 2016 campaign, he told a young Muslim girl that if she suspects her neighbors doing something wrong, she needs to turn them in……not soon afterwards, an old black dude asked him a question and Trump went on about crime in his neighborhood. I wondered what made him think that guy lived in a bad neighborhood?
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Trump hosted a town hall


Hitlerian tRUMP called for the execution of the Central Park Five even though they were innocent from Day One. The absolute ravings of a maniac. To this day he refuses to repent for his stupid call. There can be no question that words can kill. Such words constitute sheer terrorism and that traitor should be forced to answer for them.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:15 am
Brooklyn wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:11 pm Washington DC terrorist given suspended sentence


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fi ... d=msedgntp


federal judge sentenced a Capitol rioter to probation, not prison time, after she made an emotional apology to “the American people” for participating in “a savage display of violence”.

Anna Morgan-Lloyd, a 49-year-old Donald Trump supporter from Indiana, was the first person to be sentenced for participating in the 6 January attack. She will spend no time in prison after pleading guilty to a single misdemeanor charge of “parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building”.

REPUBLICAN Judge Royce C Lamberth gave Morgan-Lloyd three years of probation, but warned that other defendants who had not been as cooperative or contrite as she had been should not expect the same punishment.

“I don’t want to create the impression that probation is the automatic outcome here, because it’s not going to be,” Lamberth said.

Morgan-Lloyd had initially boasted on Facebook about how she had “stormed the Capitol”, calling the event “the most exciting day of my life”. The Indiana grandmother and a friend had only spent a little over 10 minutes inside a Capitol hallway, prosecutors said, and had not been violent, destroyed government property, incited others to commit violence, or had any apparent connections with extremist groups. Prosecutors said Morgan-Lloyd spent approximately two days in jail after storming the Capitol, and said she had cooperated fully with law enforcement and later expressed regret for her actions.


With nearly 500 people already arrested and charged for their roles in the 6 January attack, the sentencing of Morgan-Lloyd, a woman with no known connections to extremist groups, is the first indication of what kinds of sentences federal judges may impose on the hundreds of people who invaded the Capitol during the official certification of Trump’s loss in the 2020 presidential election.

While some members of extremist groups are facing more serious conspiracy charges for allegedly planning the violence at the Capitol in advance, and others are facing charges for assaulting law enforcement officers, many defendants, like Morgan-Lloyd, are facing only misdemeanor charges.

Lamberth, a Ronald Reagan appointee who has served for 33 years, acknowledged that the sentence of probation would probably be controversial: “A sizable part of our public may not think that I’m enacting an appropriate sentence in this case today, in giving you the break that I’m going to give you,” he said to Morgan-Lloyd.

While Morgan-Lloyd faced a maximum potential sentence of six months in prison, the judge said he did not think it was appropriate for him to impose a harsher sentence than federal prosecutors had requested for her: three years of probation, $500 in restitution and 120 hours of community service – more than the 40 hours prosecutors had requested.

But the judge also made a point of criticizing “the accounts of some members of Congress that January 6 was just a day of tourists walking through the Capitol. I don’t know what planet they were on, but there were millions of people in this country that saw what happened.”

In a statement before her sentencing, Morgan-Lloyd issued a tearful apology to “the court, the American people, and my family”.

“I was there to show support for President Trump peacefully, and I’m ashamed that it became a savage display of violence that day, and I would have never been there if I had a clue it was going to turn out that way.

“I never wanted to be part of anything like that, and I just wanted to apologize.”

It was a marked shift in tone from her first reaction to the Capitol attack: “Best day ever. We stormed the capitol building,” Morgan-Lloyd wrote on Facebook on 6 January, prosecutors said. She added that she and her friend “were in the first 50 people in”, authorities said.

In a sentencing memo, federal prosecutors said Morgan-Lloyd and her friend Donna Sue Bissey did not appear to have planned their actions in advance or coordinated with any extremist groups.

In a letter to the court, prosecutors said, the 49-year-old took responsibility for her actions, and wrote, “At first it didn’t dawn on me, but later I realized that if every person like me, who wasn’t violent, was removed from that crowd, the ones who were violent may have lost the nerve to do what they did.”

“I think she’s learned a lot,” Morgan-Lloyd’s attorney, Heather Shaner, told the Guardian. “This has been a trauma for her, and she knows it was a trauma for the United States of America that people did what they did, and she would never do it again.”

Shaner said that her client was “from a very small town and has had very limited life exposure”, and that she believed that many of the people who participated in the Capitol riots were “were uninformed or misinformed”.

“She’s a very fine woman, and I hope she gets probation,” Shaner said.

The conditions of her probation should include barring her owning firearms, prosecutors requested.

Unlike most federal defendants, who typically remain in detention before trial, the vast majority of people charged in the Capitol riots have already been released, a Guardian analysis found. The stark contrast in pre-trial detention rates has prompted questions about whether the predominantly white Capitol defendants were getting different treatment from prosecutors and judges than most federal defendants, who are Black and Latino.







ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF REPUKEBLICON WHITE PRIVILEGE AND REPUKEBLICON JUDICIAL CORRUPTION.
I don't think that's the way to read this judgment.
Seems to me that she's one step worse than my brother-in-law who was on the steps, not inside and not in the violence...but definitely all-in on the Big Lie and support of Trump. Delusional. He had no expectation beyond protest. Personally I think he's guilty of criminal trespass, but I'd give such a pass for those outside and not violent or destructive, and focus on those who actually went in, and especially those who were violent and destructive and most especially those who were organized and encouraged others to be violent.

She's a convicted criminal. But she was not violent or destructive, left the building quickly, and is repentant. She stepped up early and didn't oppose the charges, asked for leniency.

The judge, appointed by Reagan, is very clear that others will be sentenced very differently according to their crimes.

Expect it.

Ignore the troll.

... I thought this set a good tone. The woman was contrite, realized she made a mistake. No reason to throw the book at her, but you could not just let her walk based on the seriousness of the event she participated in.
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Brooklyn wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:09 pm
Trump hosted a town hall


Hitlerian tRUMP called for the execution of the Central Park Five even though they were innocent from Day One. The absolute ravings of a maniac. To this day he refuses to repent for his stupid call. There can be no question that words can kill. Such words constitute sheer terrorism and that traitor should be forced to answer for them.



I thought you were AGAINST the prison industrial complex? You want to imprison grandmothers with no criminal record whose only crime was walking into the capitol?

Maybe you aren’t really against excessive incarceration.
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Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:29 pm I thought you were AGAINST the prison industrial complex? You want to imprison grandmothers with no criminal record whose only crime was walking into the capitol?

Maybe you aren’t really against excessive incarceration.

Who said throwing the treasonous witch in prison is excessive incarceration?

I'm against arresting someone for smoking cannabis which as we all know has valid medical use, or for underpaying their tax liabilities, or because they refuse to fight in foreign wars. I'm also against stupid cops arresting someone after suddenly finding probable cause just because they are black or brown.

But someone who commits treason, trespasses on government property, marches with those hellbent on attacking cops or federal officers who are only doing their job, and endangering public workers, this deserves a prolonged prison sentence. The judge in this case was far too easy on the old bag of treasonous shtttt. He should be impeached and removed from office for his incompetence and stupidity.
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Sleep well Brooksie - the white nationalist insurrectionist granny is on probation for 3 years. I'm sure the FBI domestic terror squad will be tracking her & monitoring her social media. After all, she's a ring leader in what is now our greatest terrorist threat. We can stop worrying about AQ & IS coming back under Taliban protection.
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old salt wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:43 am Sleep well Brooksie - the white nationalist insurrectionist granny is on probation for 3 years. I'm sure the FBI domestic terror squad will be tracking her & monitoring her social media. After all, she's a ring leader in what is now our greatest terrorist threat. We can stop worrying about AQ & IS coming back under Taliban protection.



Brooks brain and nuance are faltering. Heretofore I’ve given him way more respect than other libs. I might need to reassess.

Here’s what should have happened to the granny. Arrest her. Spend one night in jail. Misdemeanor plea. 6 months light probation. No hectoring lecture from an entitled judge. No waste of probation resources beyond 6 months. No prosecution glory.

That’s it.
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Peter Brown wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:24 amBrooks brain and nuance are faltering. Heretofore I’ve given him way more respect than other libs. I might need to reassess.

Here’s what should have happened to the granny. Arrest her. Spend one night in jail. Misdemeanor plea. 6 months light probation. No hectoring lecture from an entitled judge. No waste of probation resources beyond 6 months. No prosecution glory.

That’s it.
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jhu72 wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:09 am White Supremacist in Mass kills two.
yeah, nothing to see here.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/sh ... uxbndlbing

Nothing to see here either. This is what all fun loving young people do late Sunday and early Monday morning. You gather a couple hundred of your friends and hang out in the Wal Mart parking lot. Drinking, smoking weed listening to loud music and having a good old time until... a couple people have a disagreement and the only way to resolve it is pull out your ILLEGAL weapons and start blasting away at everybody... :roll:

Double UGH... This happened 5 minutes away from my home.
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