Orange Duce

[dislaxxic]

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[Brooklyn]

Biden's accuser is into touchy-feely:






Sorta like Tweeden claiming Al Franken sexually harasses women while she harasses men on stage.

[jhu72]

Biden's accuser is into touchy-feely:






Sorta like Tweeden claiming Al Franken sexually harasses women while she harasses men on stage.

This Biden story is such a weak story. In the age of President Skidmark, this is a women's complaint. A little sense of proportion might be considered. Especially by a democratic woman in the business of politics. You really have to suspect this particular women is doing another candidate's bidding.

[jhu72]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/top-m ... spartandhp I was not sure where to post this. The fact it is an NBC story gave me some pause. When you have the top general in the Marine Corpse( a little poke at BHO) willing to do something like this. He is risking his career and his pension not to mention the brig by doing something like this. I don't know all the nuts and bolts but that is what a leader of combat Marines does... he takes care of his fellow Marines... oooooh raaaah...Semper Fi General. I salute you sir.

It's gotta be darn frustrating being a responsible leader in the Armed Services with the current Oval Office occupant.

… responsible leader in any walk of life.

[seacoaster]

Only the best people, Chapter 602:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... e13bc2e341

"...Cain has some baggage. Way worse baggage, in fact: Cain dropped out of the 2012 Republican presidential primary after at least four women accused him of sexual misconduct. One alleged that he put his hand up her skirt at a convention and tried to pull her head toward his crotch. When she protested, he allegedly said, “You want a job, right?” Cain denied the allegations.

If true, such actions alone would be disqualifying for any major government position. And they may yet derail his nomination. But they’re also hardly the only reasons to object to placing Cain in one of the most important economic jobs in the world.

To put it bluntly: When it comes to understanding pretty basic policy issues, Cain isn’t able.

Most people who remember anything about Cain’s brief political career might know him for the “9-9-9” tax rate plan. Unfortunately, neither did that plan have rates that were actually 9 percent nor did it turn out to be particularly strong in its arithmetic. I recall a perplexing interview back in 2011, during which I spoke with the adviser who had devised the plan with Cain. It turned out the reason his math didn’t make sense was that he was, among other things, claiming credit for eliminating “invisible” taxes and conflating marginal and average tax rates. Apparently neither he nor his boss had noticed.

Cain made other uninformed or impolitic comments during the 2012 campaign, including saying he didn’t think it was relevant for him to know “who is the president of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan.” Or declaring he wouldn’t feel comfortable appointing a Muslim to a Cabinet position or a federal judgeship.

But hey, fiscal policy, foreign relations and, uh, the First Amendment aren’t the Fed’s purview! Monetary policy and financial regulation are. Unfortunately — despite the fact that Cain served as a director of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City from 1992 to 1996 — his documented views on these issues are just as quack-tastic.

Cain is a longtime inflation hawk, which could put him at odds with Trump’s calls for looser money. As recently as December 2017, Cain was even defending higher interest rates. But perhaps Trump assumes that Cain will dutifully flip his views, just as the once-hawkish Moore has done.

In fact, in January, when Cain was already rumored to be in contention for a Fed seat, he told Bloomberg he was concerned about recent Fed rate increases and said the real thing to fear was not inflation but nonexistent “deflation.”

[Brooklyn]

This Biden story is such a weak story. In the age of President Skidmark, this is a women's complaint. A little sense of proportion might be considered. Especially by a democratic woman in the business of politics. You really have to suspect this particular women is doing another candidate's bidding.

I understand she and Bernie Sanders are pals. Because of this she is doing his bidding. Interestingly, the pro Trump crowd is making political hay out of it in internet chats, all the while ignoring past charges against their hero Trump.

[jhu72]

This Biden story is such a weak story. In the age of President Skidmark, this is a women's complaint. A little sense of proportion might be considered. Especially by a democratic woman in the business of politics. You really have to suspect this particular women is doing another candidate's bidding.

I understand she and Bernie Sanders are pals. Because of this she is doing his bidding. Interestingly, the pro Trump crowd is making political hay out of it in internet chats, all the while ignoring past charges against their hero Trump.

It could be Sanders, the most obvious case. It might also be Republicans for Skidmark (an early takedown). It could even be Democrats for Biden. As long as Joe has no woman raping in his past, like President Skidmark, this could actually work out well for Biden. Every time the subject is brought up - it boomerangs to Skidmark.

[jhu72]

Only the best people, Chapter 602:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... e13bc2e341

"...Cain has some baggage. Way worse baggage, in fact: Cain dropped out of the 2012 Republican presidential primary after at least four women accused him of sexual misconduct. One alleged that he put his hand up her skirt at a convention and tried to pull her head toward his crotch. When she protested, he allegedly said, “You want a job, right?” Cain denied the allegations.

If true, such actions alone would be disqualifying for any major government position. And they may yet derail his nomination. But they’re also hardly the only reasons to object to placing Cain in one of the most important economic jobs in the world.

To put it bluntly: When it comes to understanding pretty basic policy issues, Cain isn’t able.

Most people who remember anything about Cain’s brief political career might know him for the “9-9-9” tax rate plan. Unfortunately, neither did that plan have rates that were actually 9 percent nor did it turn out to be particularly strong in its arithmetic. I recall a perplexing interview back in 2011, during which I spoke with the adviser who had devised the plan with Cain. It turned out the reason his math didn’t make sense was that he was, among other things, claiming credit for eliminating “invisible” taxes and conflating marginal and average tax rates. Apparently neither he nor his boss had noticed.

Cain made other uninformed or impolitic comments during the 2012 campaign, including saying he didn’t think it was relevant for him to know “who is the president of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan.” Or declaring he wouldn’t feel comfortable appointing a Muslim to a Cabinet position or a federal judgeship.

But hey, fiscal policy, foreign relations and, uh, the First Amendment aren’t the Fed’s purview! Monetary policy and financial regulation are. Unfortunately — despite the fact that Cain served as a director of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City from 1992 to 1996 — his documented views on these issues are just as quack-tastic.

Cain is a longtime inflation hawk, which could put him at odds with Trump’s calls for looser money. As recently as December 2017, Cain was even defending higher interest rates. But perhaps Trump assumes that Cain will dutifully flip his views, just as the once-hawkish Moore has done.

In fact, in January, when Cain was already rumored to be in contention for a Fed seat, he told Bloomberg he was concerned about recent Fed rate increases and said the real thing to fear was not inflation but nonexistent “deflation.”

Only the best toadies. Historians (and abnormal psychologists) are going to have a field day with this administration.

[foreverlax]

"I honestly didn't know this statute existed because it's an obscure statute," Napolitano said. "The Chair of the House Ways and Means Committee, and/or the chair of the Senate Finance committee, can ask for anybody's tax returns, and the secretary, meaning the secretary of the treasury for whom the IRS works, shall furnish them. They don't have to give a reason."

[dislaxxic]

Let’s Talk Presidential Taxes

"Our former senior staffer, still in touch with the relevant players, had this take on it. Yes, a substantial amount of the delay was characterological and small-c conservative. Rep. Neal is not an aggressive partisan. Ways and Means Chair is not a job that normally is one with any high profile investigative function. You work your way up into that job because you want to write tax policy. So some of it was just moving slowly because of the people involved. But not all of it.

Our source also made clear that a big part of the process was methodically working to build a strong legal argument about clear legislative/oversight need for the taxes. You can’t just say, I want the taxes. You have to show a clear need for them to do the work of the House. That may be obvious. But with Trump prepped to go to war over it you want the most solid legal argument and legislative record possible. And to be clear, this isn’t just coming up with a smart argument. It’s about creating a legislative record, creating a series of legislative facts that undergird the argument. A significant part of the delay seems to have been that — taking time to make the probable future legal case as strong as possible. That was largely quarterbacked by the General Counsel of the House, Douglas N. Letter.

Letter has a very strong reputation. Until early 2018 he was Director of the Civil Division Appellate Staff at DOJ. So Pelosi also carefully put her players in place with a view toward high stakes legal fights.

As it was expressed to us, Letter knows how to make the House’s legal case as strong as possible. And while a number of people were frustrated with how long the process was taking, no one wanted to be the one who overruled his pace and then saw the whole effort go south because the House hadn’t put the best legal case forward."

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[old salt]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/top-m ... spartandhp I was not sure where to post this. The fact it is an NBC story gave me some pause. When you have the top general in the Marine Corpse( a little poke at BHO) willing to do something like this. He is risking his career and his pension not to mention the brig by doing something like this. I don't know all the nuts and bolts but that is what a leader of combat Marines does... he takes care of his fellow Marines... oooooh raaaah...Semper Fi General. I salute you sir.

Part of the reason deployable, active duty units are being used -- (D) Governors withdrawing their National Guard troops or ordering them to leave their state (NM). ...making a bad situation worse. This is a legit National Guard mission.

http://fortune.com/2019/02/26/states-pu ... om-border/

[CU77]

This Biden story is such a weak story. In the age of President Skidmark, this is a women's complaint. A little sense of proportion might be considered. Especially by a democratic woman in the business of politics. You really have to suspect this particular women is doing another candidate's bidding.

Wow. Do you ever talk to any women about this stuff? Every professional woman I know wants to be treated like a professional in the work environment. That means you don't do anything you wouldn't do with a male in the same situation. Does Biden go around sniffing a lot of guys' hair? I think not.

Womens' anger and frustration on this is real. They want, expect, and (IMO) deserve equal professional treatment from everyone, especially candidates for high office.

It doesn't matter how awful OD is. Women want candidates they support to come up to the basic standard of being treated as professional equals. That's why Franken is gone. And it's why Biden will not last long.

[old salt]

Womens' anger and frustration on this is real. They want, expect, and (IMO) deserve equal professional treatment from everyone, especially candidates for high office.

It doesn't matter how awful OD is. Women want candidates they support to come up to the basic standard of being treated as professional equals. That's why Franken is gone. And it's why Biden will not last long.

Yep. Just being compared to Trump, in this regard, is disqualifying for a (D) candidate, ...& for post Trump (R) candidates.

[CU77]

And before someone else brings it up: when I wrote "women" above, it does not include all women, just a large percentage, likely a majority, but certainly a large majority of women who vote Democrat. There are plenty of women who voted for Trump, and who don't see what Biden did, or what Trump did, as an especially big deal. For one of these women, if a man grabs her p—— and she doesn't like it, she kicks him in the balls and moves on.

[foreverlax]

Womens' anger and frustration on this is real. They want, expect, and (IMO) deserve equal professional treatment from everyone, especially candidates for high office.

It doesn't matter how awful OD is. Women want candidates they support to come up to the basic standard of being treated as professional equals. That's why Franken is gone. And it's why Biden will not last long.

Yep. Just being compared to Trump, in this regard, is disqualifying for a (D) candidate, ...& for post Trump (R) candidates.

Fred would be proud....Donald is the before, anyone can be after, as long as they don't talk about grabbing the cat they'll be okey dokey.

The thing about Biden - he is very very touch-y and hug-y. Ok-ish back then, not at all now. Yuge different, between the two.

[jhu72]

This Biden story is such a weak story. In the age of President Skidmark, this is a women's complaint. A little sense of proportion might be considered. Especially by a democratic woman in the business of politics. You really have to suspect this particular women is doing another candidate's bidding.

Wow. Do you ever talk to any women about this stuff? Every professional woman I know wants to be treated like a professional in the work environment. That means you don't do anything you wouldn't do with a male in the same situation. Does Biden go around sniffing a lot of guys' hair? I think not.

Womens' anger and frustration on this is real. They want, expect, and (IMO) deserve equal professional treatment from everyone, especially candidates for high office.

It doesn't matter how awful OD is. Women want candidates they support to come up to the basic standard of being treated as professional equals. That's why Franken is gone. And it's why Biden will not last long.

Yes I get all of that. Yes it is a real problem. Still a woman, a savvy insider, in the same party should understand there is a time and a place, given the stakes. The other women have a better argument IMO. Even they however need to be careful. They can't get everything they want over night. I am sure it looks like forever to them, but they have seen huge positive change in the past few years for their cause. They can overstep and lose people who are their allies by trying to move too fast. This is always the liberal dilemma.

Now if Biden is a rapist, wimp grabber, sexual assaulter, sexual abuser, whatever - if that is the case they are trying to make -- then make it and stop screwing around. What they are doing now, while important to them and understandably so is seen by a lot of their allies, not unreasonable, not wrong, but tactically tone deaf and stupid - including many older women - like my professional wife. This is the wrong time to be fighting this battle. It is such an easy battle for them to win given how far they have come, but they need to consider the cost of fighting it now.

[jhu72]

Womens' anger and frustration on this is real. They want, expect, and (IMO) deserve equal professional treatment from everyone, especially candidates for high office.

It doesn't matter how awful OD is. Women want candidates they support to come up to the basic standard of being treated as professional equals. That's why Franken is gone. And it's why Biden will not last long.

Yep. Just being compared to Trump, in this regard, is disqualifying for a (D) candidate, ...& for post Trump (R) candidates.

Fred would be proud....Donald is the before, anyone can be after, as long as they don't talk about grabbing the cat they'll be okey dokey.

The thing about Biden - he is very very touch-y and hug-y. Ok-ish back then, not at all now. Yuge different, between the two.

There is no comparison between Skidmark and Biden, unless someone is charging him with sexual assault, etc. Biden is the same way with men and women in terms of touch-y hug-y. He even causes some men to feel uncomfortable. He has been this way forever, he isn't really going to change. He will be more measured in terms of his behavior depending on audience. There will be plenty of audiences that will eat it up, more will than won't. If this is turned into a litmus test for the democratic party - the young women and the party will both lose.

[jhu72]

This Biden story is such a weak story. In the age of President Skidmark, this is a women's complaint. A little sense of proportion might be considered. Especially by a democratic woman in the business of politics. You really have to suspect this particular women is doing another candidate's bidding.

Wow. Do you ever talk to any women about this stuff? Every professional woman I know wants to be treated like a professional in the work environment. That means you don't do anything you wouldn't do with a male in the same situation. Does Biden go around sniffing a lot of guys' hair? I think not.

Womens' anger and frustration on this is real. They want, expect, and (IMO) deserve equal professional treatment from everyone, especially candidates for high office.

It doesn't matter how awful OD is. Women want candidates they support to come up to the basic standard of being treated as professional equals. That's why Franken is gone. And it's why Biden will not last long.

If the issue is really only hair sniffing, if that is really what is going on - I don't know that is the case - THEN ACCUSE HIM OF BEING A SEXUAL PREDATOR AND BE DONE WITH IT! Trot out a bunch of women to make that charge. If they can't make that charge, they are wasting everyone's time. Most existing democrats aren't going to see a politician hugging, touching and looking people in the eyes forehead to forehead as a big deal.

[CU77]

Sorry, but to me, a 63-year-old white male heterosexual Democrat, it is a big deal. Just today, Biden showed that he really doesn't get it:

Former vice president Joe Biden on Friday morning twice made jokes about the recent criticisms of his physical behavior toward women, prompting fresh upset among two who had previously complained about him, and yet another attempt by him to insist that he was taking the matter seriously.

Biden began his remarks before a ballroom of union workers in Washington by making light of the statements by at least seven women that he had made them uncomfortable with his close contact.

After entering the stage to a Bruce Springsteen song — “We Take Care of Our Own” — and an introduction from International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers President Lonnie Stephenson, Biden looked out at the audience and smiled about their interaction.

“I just want you to know,” he said. “I had permission to hug Lonnie.”

The crowd of mostly white men inside the Washington Hilton laughed and applauded.

Later, partway through his speech, Biden spotted a quartet of children walking through the middle of the ballroom and invited them onto the stage. He shook each of their hands; then he put his arm around one of the young boys.

“By the way, he gave me permission to touch him,” he joked again. It did not appear that Biden and the boy exchanged words beforehand.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

This is cluelessness taken to an extreme level. It's not that he's a predator, it's that he's too clueless to be in the running for the job. If he's really this bad at reading the zeitgeist, he has zero chance against Trump.

[jhu72]

Sorry, but to me, a 63-year-old white male heterosexual Democrat, it is a big deal. Just today, Biden showed that he really doesn't get it:

Former vice president Joe Biden on Friday morning twice made jokes about the recent criticisms of his physical behavior toward women, prompting fresh upset among two who had previously complained about him, and yet another attempt by him to insist that he was taking the matter seriously.

Biden began his remarks before a ballroom of union workers in Washington by making light of the statements by at least seven women that he had made them uncomfortable with his close contact.

After entering the stage to a Bruce Springsteen song — “We Take Care of Our Own” — and an introduction from International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers President Lonnie Stephenson, Biden looked out at the audience and smiled about their interaction.

“I just want you to know,” he said. “I had permission to hug Lonnie.”

The crowd of mostly white men inside the Washington Hilton laughed and applauded.

Later, partway through his speech, Biden spotted a quartet of children walking through the middle of the ballroom and invited them onto the stage. He shook each of their hands; then he put his arm around one of the young boys.

“By the way, he gave me permission to touch him,” he joked again. It did not appear that Biden and the boy exchanged words beforehand.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

This is cluelessness taken to an extreme level. It's not that he's a predator, it's that he's too clueless to be in the running for the job. If he's really this bad at reading the zeitgeist, he has zero chance against Trump.

I saw his performance. I don't think it was clueless. I think it was a realization that in some audiences it is ok - he was home, where he grew up and everybody knows Joe. If he had come out with some kind of heart felt apology, mea culpa for what he is being accused of, he would have lost those people - they would have known Joe was not being Joe. We are trying to split hairs very finely here. Don't vote for him in the primaries. There are plenty of good candidates. Harping on this (not you personally) as an issue if it isn't something significantly more than what it appears to be is just self destructive of the party.

Frankly I was more bothered by his lack of frankness with the audience regarding their futures if things didn't change. But not a single candidate is doing anything more than hiney rubbing right now.