Johns Hopkins 2022

[steel_hop]

Great team, but not Petro’s best.



DocBarrister

Not surprising you are mixing up the argument. Great and best are not the same. No one is arguing that the 05 team wasn't a great team and probably the greatest when it comes to accomplishments. But, it wasn't his best team based on talent and numbers. The only difference you are subscribing to your argument is 1.2 seconds. That's all the difference between the 03 and 05 team.

[DocBarrister]

Great team, but not Petro’s best.



DocBarrister

Not surprising you are mixing up the argument. Great and best are not the same. No one is arguing that the 05 team wasn't a great team and probably the greatest when it comes to accomplishments. But, it wasn't his best team based on talent and numbers. The only difference you are subscribing to your argument is 1.2 seconds. That's all the difference between the 03 and 05 team.

That’s not the only difference. I think the 2005 team was much more battle tested, better balanced, and had more depth. And no disrespect to the 2003 seniors, but I think the 2005 team had better senior leadership, too. I think the 2005 team was the better one, and I don’t really think it’s close.

DocBarrister

[jhu72]

Bygones.

Petro's contract was renewed in 2015, two years after the 2013 suspensions, for another 5 years through 2020. If Daniels wasn't on board with that he probably could have stopped it. I don't at all doubt he and Petro didn't see eye to eye on most things but, again, when you take the team to a Final Four, you get a contract extension. When you largely underperform for the next 5 years, you don't.

We will always disagree on this. Petro was let go more for not seeing eye to eye with Daniels, Shanahan and Baker than for lack of on field success. They see Petro as a mouth breathing lout that doesn’t represent Hopkins very well. They now have a woke and progressive staff. That was the end game.

Then why does Daniels sign off on a 5-year extension? I get the optics of firing him after the 2015 miracle run and Huber's tragic death would have been awful. But that's a long time. There's no rule that says contract extensions have to be 5 years. UMass coach got a 2-year extension in 2018, for instance. In fact Daniels signed off on a 4-year extension for Petro after the 2012 season.

Because they didn’t have their I’s dotted and T’s crossed. They knew clipping a guy like Petro who was popular with the three alumni who matter would not be easy and would take a coordinated plan. The forced “mentor”, advisory board and Baker reportedly interviewing players regularly to ask “tell me what Coach Petro is like” was all part of it. Petro could have been 6-0 going into the Covid 19 break and he wasn’t getting another contract. I MAYBE concede that a National Championship could have got him a stay of execution but I suspect the offer would have been so insulting he would have told them to find another coach.

Calder was still there when the contract was extended.

And Bob Scott was still alive.

--- bingo!

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

Some of the discussion around here makes me want to jab my eyeballs out. Definitely feel like it’s killing brain cells. And I can do that with alcohol instead. Not much humor.

I’m going to bugger off. I’ve got footy to watch. Tip: pay attention to the Parramatta Eels.

Enjoy the ACC tournament this weekend. I’ll be at a casino.

The four of you can keep the page count up.

W

[DocBarrister]

Some of the discussion around here makes me want to jab my eyeballs out. Definitely feel like it’s killing brain cells. And I can do that with alcohol instead. Not much humor.

I’m going to bugger off. I’ve got footy to watch. Tip: pay attention to the Parramatta Eels.

Enjoy the ACC tournament this weekend. I’ll be at a casino.

The four of you can keep the page count up.

W

The Live! Hotel and Casino?

DocBarrister

[HopFan16]

Rutgers acquitted themselves well against the #1 ACC in UNC. Transitive property is not great science, but it's the best thing we have this year without non-con play, and it suggests the Jays were a pretty darn good team in their last four games.

Four games does not a season make, but I don't see a hugely compelling reason why we can't play like that—or close to that—for a full season in 2022. Not saying we will, I just don't see why we can't. It feels like something clicked into place in those last 3 weeks or so that can carry over.

We know we're losing Williams, and might lose a couple other contributors, but relative to other teams (Bernhardt at UMD, Rutgers' entire attack, O'Keefe at PSU, LeClaire/Terefenko at OSU, the Yale guys at Denver, a ton of guys in the ACC), I think we may end up losing less than many top teams.

That's all I got. Have heard some rumblings but still no official word on who's returning vs. who isn't.

[nyjay]

Rutgers acquitted themselves well against the #1 ACC in UNC. Transitive property is not great science, but it's the best thing we have this year without non-con play, and it suggests the Jays were a pretty darn good team in their last four games.

Four games does not a season make, but I don't see a hugely compelling reason why we can't play like that—or close to that—for a full season in 2022. Not saying we will, I just don't see why we can't. It feels like something clicked into place in those last 3 weeks or so that can carry over.

We know we're losing Williams, and might lose a couple other contributors, but relative to other teams (Bernhardt at UMD, Rutgers' entire attack, O'Keefe at PSU, LeClaire/Terefenko at OSU, the Yale guys at Denver, a ton of guys in the ACC), I think we may end up losing less than many top teams.

That's all I got. Have heard some rumblings but still no official word on who's returning vs. who isn't.

I think that's entirely correct. It's likely that we're losing much less than (1) the entire ACC and (2) the rest of the B1G. On the flip side though, our incoming class is much less heralded than of those other teams. Not entirely sure that matters, but it's nonetheless true. Also on the flip side, the Ivy league will be back. I'm cautiously optimistic that we're back in the tourney next year, though not a real contender for Memorial Day weekend.

Heard on the Dixon podcast that if Hop doesn't have anyone on the USILA's AA list, it will be the first time since 1945. That's a bummer. Continually cracks me up that Dixon can't get Nawreski's name right - keeps calling him Danny.

[HopFan16]

Rutgers acquitted themselves well against the #1 ACC in UNC. Transitive property is not great science, but it's the best thing we have this year without non-con play, and it suggests the Jays were a pretty darn good team in their last four games.

Four games does not a season make, but I don't see a hugely compelling reason why we can't play like that—or close to that—for a full season in 2022. Not saying we will, I just don't see why we can't. It feels like something clicked into place in those last 3 weeks or so that can carry over.

We know we're losing Williams, and might lose a couple other contributors, but relative to other teams (Bernhardt at UMD, Rutgers' entire attack, O'Keefe at PSU, LeClaire/Terefenko at OSU, the Yale guys at Denver, a ton of guys in the ACC), I think we may end up losing less than many top teams.

That's all I got. Have heard some rumblings but still no official word on who's returning vs. who isn't.

I think that's entirely correct. It's likely that we're losing much less than (1) the entire ACC and (2) the rest of the B1G. On the flip side though, our incoming class is much less heralded than of those other teams. Not entirely sure that matters, but it's nonetheless true. Also on the flip side, the Ivy league will be back. I'm cautiously optimistic that we're back in the tourney next year, though not a real contender for Memorial Day weekend.

Heard on the Dixon podcast that if Hop doesn't have anyone on the USILA's AA list, it will be the first time since 1945. That's a bummer. Continually cracks me up that Dixon can't get Nawreski's name right - keeps calling him Danny.

Jojo Todaro should make it, though no idea if he will. He's the 7th ranked defenseman in the class, and they usually choose 12 (6 per team, each guy plays two quarters). Meaningless game but would be nice to have at least one Jay represented seeing as it's being played at Homewood.

[jhu06]

carc did a nice job spotlighting some of the young rutgers and unc talent we will have to worry about going forward. I felt bad for Rutgers, they were the superior team today but like drexel and bryant last week, you have to play 60 excellent minutes to beat the acc. That's a good stat on the all americans and even more jarring when you consider the ivy did not play this year.

[nyjay]

Rutgers acquitted themselves well against the #1 ACC in UNC. Transitive property is not great science, but it's the best thing we have this year without non-con play, and it suggests the Jays were a pretty darn good team in their last four games.

Four games does not a season make, but I don't see a hugely compelling reason why we can't play like that—or close to that—for a full season in 2022. Not saying we will, I just don't see why we can't. It feels like something clicked into place in those last 3 weeks or so that can carry over.

We know we're losing Williams, and might lose a couple other contributors, but relative to other teams (Bernhardt at UMD, Rutgers' entire attack, O'Keefe at PSU, LeClaire/Terefenko at OSU, the Yale guys at Denver, a ton of guys in the ACC), I think we may end up losing less than many top teams.

That's all I got. Have heard some rumblings but still no official word on who's returning vs. who isn't.

I think that's entirely correct. It's likely that we're losing much less than (1) the entire ACC and (2) the rest of the B1G. On the flip side though, our incoming class is much less heralded than of those other teams. Not entirely sure that matters, but it's nonetheless true. Also on the flip side, the Ivy league will be back. I'm cautiously optimistic that we're back in the tourney next year, though not a real contender for Memorial Day weekend.

Heard on the Dixon podcast that if Hop doesn't have anyone on the USILA's AA list, it will be the first time since 1945. That's a bummer. Continually cracks me up that Dixon can't get Nawreski's name right - keeps calling him Danny.

Jojo Todaro should make it, though no idea if he will. He's the 7th ranked defenseman in the class, and they usually choose 12 (6 per team, each guy plays two quarters). Meaningless game but would be nice to have at least one Jay represented seeing as it's being played at Homewood.

Sorry - was talking about this year's college AA list that USILA puts out, not the UA game. Seems to me that the only hope we have is Reinson or DeSimone getting an HM nod. Otherwise it would be the first time since 1945 that Hop doesn't have some kind of collegiate AA in lacrosse.

[HopFan16]

Rutgers acquitted themselves well against the #1 ACC in UNC. Transitive property is not great science, but it's the best thing we have this year without non-con play, and it suggests the Jays were a pretty darn good team in their last four games.

Four games does not a season make, but I don't see a hugely compelling reason why we can't play like that—or close to that—for a full season in 2022. Not saying we will, I just don't see why we can't. It feels like something clicked into place in those last 3 weeks or so that can carry over.

We know we're losing Williams, and might lose a couple other contributors, but relative to other teams (Bernhardt at UMD, Rutgers' entire attack, O'Keefe at PSU, LeClaire/Terefenko at OSU, the Yale guys at Denver, a ton of guys in the ACC), I think we may end up losing less than many top teams.

That's all I got. Have heard some rumblings but still no official word on who's returning vs. who isn't.

I think that's entirely correct. It's likely that we're losing much less than (1) the entire ACC and (2) the rest of the B1G. On the flip side though, our incoming class is much less heralded than of those other teams. Not entirely sure that matters, but it's nonetheless true. Also on the flip side, the Ivy league will be back. I'm cautiously optimistic that we're back in the tourney next year, though not a real contender for Memorial Day weekend.

Heard on the Dixon podcast that if Hop doesn't have anyone on the USILA's AA list, it will be the first time since 1945. That's a bummer. Continually cracks me up that Dixon can't get Nawreski's name right - keeps calling him Danny.

Jojo Todaro should make it, though no idea if he will. He's the 7th ranked defenseman in the class, and they usually choose 12 (6 per team, each guy plays two quarters). Meaningless game but would be nice to have at least one Jay represented seeing as it's being played at Homewood.

Sorry - was talking about this year's college AA list that USILA puts out, not the UA game. Seems to me that the only hope we have is Reinson or DeSimone getting an HM nod. Otherwise it would be the first time since 1945 that Hop doesn't have some kind of collegiate AA in lacrosse.

Woops, my bad, misread. I definitely think Reinson is deserving but probably won’t get it on account of being associated with a defense that was not particularly good for 2/3 of the season. If you weigh toward recent play however it’s hard to argue with his GB and CT stats for a close defenseman. For my money he’s got one of the better sticks in the country at his position, but he’s not a premier shutdown cover guy.

DeSo had a good season but there are just too many other attackmen with more production.

Peshko will be an AA before his career is over. Put it in the bank.

[Sagittarius A*]

The guy who impressed me on defense was Jack Lyne.
He held Bernhardt to two goals and he held Okeefe and Charalambides in check.
He's not flashy but he's a solid lock-down defenseman.
He's listed as a redshirt senior. I'm hoping he has another of eligibility left and returns.

[Sagittarius A*]

Rutgers acquitted themselves well against the #1 ACC in UNC. Transitive property is not great science, but it's the best thing we have this year without non-con play, and it suggests the Jays were a pretty darn good team in their last four games.

Agreed. Rutgers was a heck of good team and we beat them in regulation while UNC needed OT to do it.
The Jays really peaked at the end of the season but just couldn't quite get over the hump. It would have been interesting to see what they could have done had they made the playoff field. Still don't like ACC getting 5 teams in and BIG only 2. Too much ACC bias on the selection committee.

I assume they move Grimes back to attack next year. With a real offseason and some continuity this team has something to build on assuming they don't lose more than Williams. Would be nice to see if PM can land a quality transfer on offense. Defense seems to be on the ascendency after several years of mediocrity.

[Catbird]

I am hoping coach can lure Donville from Cornell to Homewood. Seems like a reasonable addition.

[jhu06]

I am hoping coach can lure Donville from Cornell to Homewood. Seems like a reasonable addition.

My hope is that there are some advantages to PM's lack of tenure compared to his rivals in approaching this offseason transfer and recruiting market that he can use to reload us, but I don't know him, recruiting, or roster building well enough to know what they are.

[HopFan16]

Got a solid alumni email from PM today. Maybe he's just got a way with words but it has me pretty excited about things moving forward.

We are what our record says we are, but the genuine excitement of the team looking ahead to next season was evident in each individual end-of-season meeting we had with the players. The dedication and effort within the team was unwavering throughout the entire season. This commitment began to pay dividends on the field towards the end of the season. The last four games, in particular, provided a glance into a bright future for Johns Hopkins Lacrosse. As an organization, both players and coaches, we are counting the days until fall-ball begins.

He calls particular attention to the play of Degnon, the law firm of McDermott, Peshko, and Grimes, Martin, Marcille, Narewski, and Koesterer's work with the D.

Keogh, Baskin, Angelus were all hurt for the last month of the season and hardly practiced.

Covid restrictions also loosened in the last few weeks of the season which allowed for more meetings and for the team to eat meals together and stuff like that. PM thinks those changes contributed to the improved play on the field. "We started to play like a team because we could finally act like one."

He was pretty realistic that it wasn't a good season overall and nobody is content with 4-9 but there does seem to be a pretty believably upbeat tone in the locker room. As 06 would say, that's what he's got to sell to potential transfers and recruits in addition to the usual stuff. Get on board now because the Hop train is moving again, etc.

[wgdsr]

it would be good for lax, and the boards, to have hop back in the mix again.
time for the rotation into hubris (beyond a 2 and 2 close on a 4-9 season).

[nyjay]

it would be good for lax, and the boards, to have hop back in the mix again.
time for the rotation into hubris (beyond a 2 and 2 close on a 4-9 season).

Couldn't agree more. But I am a Hop fan. Hubris is a bit away, but rotation into cautious optimism is in full effect.

(1) Year 2 of the New Regime. They know what they have in terms of players and how and who to use. The players probably understand their roles and the systems much better as well. Hopefully, DeSo, Reinson, et all come back and we don't have significant losses via transfer.
(2) 2022 will bring a new competitive landscape. 2021 was really a continuation of 2020 for those teams who had the horses to simply run it back. Because of the change in staff and the simple fact that (other than Cole) Hop just didn't have a great 2020 class - running it back wasn't an option for us.
(3) The current freshman class looks to have a bunch of really good players, without even considering Smith, who I hope will only get better. Agree with 16 that Peshko is a star in the making.
(4) Maybe we found a competent goalie? Maybe?

[Typical Lax Dad]

it would be good for lax, and the boards, to have hop back in the mix again.
time for the rotation into hubris (beyond a 2 and 2 close on a 4-9 season).

Couldn't agree more. But I am a Hop fan. Hubris is a bit away, but rotation into cautious optimism is in full effect.

(1) Year 2 of the New Regime. They know what they have in terms of players and how and who to use. The players probably understand their roles and the systems much better as well. Hopefully, DeSo, Reinson, et all come back and we don't have significant losses via transfer.
(2) 2022 will bring a new competitive landscape. 2021 was really a continuation of 2020 for those teams who had the horses to simply run it back. Because of the change in staff and the simple fact that (other than Cole) Hop just didn't have a great 2020 class - running it back wasn't an option for us.
(3) The current freshman class looks to have a bunch of really good players, without even considering Smith, who I hope will only get better. Agree with 16 that Peshko is a star in the making.
(4) Maybe we found a competent goalie? Maybe?

In that offense, Peshko is in a goal scoring scoring position.

[HopFan16]

Freshmen second line middies who are capable of scoring 4 goals in a game against a top 10 opponent don't grow on trees. Especially ones who are 6'4'' with soft hands to finish in traffic and a laser beam of a shot from up top and on the wing.

Remember: Not an IL top 100 recruit. He was a few years ago, but they took him off the list at some point. Whoops.