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Bandito wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
DMac wrote:Another daily dose of doltisms from the wretched pile of stench.
Democrats are extremely anti-Semetic.
You do realize that when you say Democrats that means every one in the country, right?
I know, I know, you just like to come on, stir the pot, toss a little fuel on the fire,
and be part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
Yes Democrats are Anti-Semetic. If they weren't, they'd support Israel. They wouldn't support political candidates who want to enact Sharia Law in the US. Democrats sympathize with Islamic Terror that seeks to destroy ours and Israel's very existence. This isn't hard to understand Mr. AA. See the thread about the now, well over 600 incidents of violence brought forth by Democrats towards Republicans in the last two years.
How do you reconcile your statement with those Democrats that are Jewish?
Jews have been duped by the Democrats for years. Just like blacks. Many Jews live in NYC and it is a Dem stronghold. It is how they have been brought up. Democrats are terrible today. They are soooo far left.
How do you reconcile that many blacks and Hispanics and women are Trump supporters yet you and your kind call Trump a bigot, racist and misogynist?
When you answer my questions, I'll return the courtesy.
I answered. Jews that vote Democrat have more loyalty to the Democrat Party than their religion. Same can be said about Catholics. The Church is anti abortion yet many Catholics are Democrats, again proving they are more loyal to the Democrat Party than their religion.

Why don't Democrats support Israel? Why do they support candidates that sympathize with Islamic terror?
All of the Jewish Democrats, that I know -

- Are Jewish before they are Democrats

- They also support Israel

- They provide ZERO support for terrorism of any variety.

To reiterate, I am not a Dem. Never have been.
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foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
DMac wrote:Another daily dose of doltisms from the wretched pile of stench.
Democrats are extremely anti-Semetic.
You do realize that when you say Democrats that means every one in the country, right?
I know, I know, you just like to come on, stir the pot, toss a little fuel on the fire,
and be part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
Yes Democrats are Anti-Semetic. If they weren't, they'd support Israel. They wouldn't support political candidates who want to enact Sharia Law in the US. Democrats sympathize with Islamic Terror that seeks to destroy ours and Israel's very existence. This isn't hard to understand Mr. AA. See the thread about the now, well over 600 incidents of violence brought forth by Democrats towards Republicans in the last two years.
How do you reconcile your statement with those Democrats that are Jewish?
Jews have been duped by the Democrats for years. Just like blacks. Many Jews live in NYC and it is a Dem stronghold. It is how they have been brought up. Democrats are terrible today. They are soooo far left.
How do you reconcile that many blacks and Hispanics and women are Trump supporters yet you and your kind call Trump a bigot, racist and misogynist?
When you answer my questions, I'll return the courtesy.
I answered. Jews that vote Democrat have more loyalty to the Democrat Party than their religion. Same can be said about Catholics. The Church is anti abortion yet many Catholics are Democrats, again proving they are more loyal to the Democrat Party than their religion.

Why don't Democrats support Israel? Why do they support candidates that sympathize with Islamic terror?
All of the Jewish Democrats, that I know -

- Are Jewish before they are Democrats

- They also support Israel

- They provide ZERO support for terrorism of any variety.

To reiterate, I am not a Dem. Never have been.

I don't believe you. Either way you hate Trump. Democrats support Palestine over Israel. They support candidates who are sympatheic towards Islamic terror. The Democrat Party is very much anti-Jewish. Democrats hated the moving of the capital to Israel, yet Israelis cheered the move by our President. Not surprised the shooter was an anti Trump, Democrat loon.

The night of the shooting, a Democrat protester interrupted a moment of silence for the victims during a Marsha Blackburn rally. Democrats are the party of hatred, and Anti-Semitism
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foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
DMac wrote:Another daily dose of doltisms from the wretched pile of stench.
Democrats are extremely anti-Semetic.
You do realize that when you say Democrats that means every one in the country, right?
I know, I know, you just like to come on, stir the pot, toss a little fuel on the fire,
and be part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
Yes Democrats are Anti-Semetic. If they weren't, they'd support Israel. They wouldn't support political candidates who want to enact Sharia Law in the US. Democrats sympathize with Islamic Terror that seeks to destroy ours and Israel's very existence. This isn't hard to understand Mr. AA. See the thread about the now, well over 600 incidents of violence brought forth by Democrats towards Republicans in the last two years.
How do you reconcile your statement with those Democrats that are Jewish?
Jews have been duped by the Democrats for years. Just like blacks. Many Jews live in NYC and it is a Dem stronghold. It is how they have been brought up. Democrats are terrible today. They are soooo far left.
How do you reconcile that many blacks and Hispanics and women are Trump supporters yet you and your kind call Trump a bigot, racist and misogynist?
When you answer my questions, I'll return the courtesy.
I answered. Jews that vote Democrat have more loyalty to the Democrat Party than their religion. Same can be said about Catholics. The Church is anti abortion yet many Catholics are Democrats, again proving they are more loyal to the Democrat Party than their religion.

Why don't Democrats support Israel? Why do they support candidates that sympathize awith Islamic terror?
All of the Jewish Democrats, that I know -

- Are Jewish before they are Democrats

- They also support Israel

- They provide ZERO support for terrorism of any variety.

To reiterate, I am not a Dem. Never have been.
… and in my experience they (American Jews) are not at all sanguine with the current Israeli government in regards to how they are dealing with the Gaza issue.
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jhu72 wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
DMac wrote:Another daily dose of doltisms from the wretched pile of stench.
Democrats are extremely anti-Semetic.
You do realize that when you say Democrats that means every one in the country, right?
I know, I know, you just like to come on, stir the pot, toss a little fuel on the fire,
and be part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
Yes Democrats are Anti-Semetic. If they weren't, they'd support Israel. They wouldn't support political candidates who want to enact Sharia Law in the US. Democrats sympathize with Islamic Terror that seeks to destroy ours and Israel's very existence. This isn't hard to understand Mr. AA. See the thread about the now, well over 600 incidents of violence brought forth by Democrats towards Republicans in the last two years.
How do you reconcile your statement with those Democrats that are Jewish?
Jews have been duped by the Democrats for years. Just like blacks. Many Jews live in NYC and it is a Dem stronghold. It is how they have been brought up. Democrats are terrible today. They are soooo far left.
How do you reconcile that many blacks and Hispanics and women are Trump supporters yet you and your kind call Trump a bigot, racist and misogynist?
When you answer my questions, I'll return the courtesy.
I answered. Jews that vote Democrat have more loyalty to the Democrat Party than their religion. Same can be said about Catholics. The Church is anti abortion yet many Catholics are Democrats, again proving they are more loyal to the Democrat Party than their religion.

Why don't Democrats support Israel? Why do they support candidates that sympathize awith Islamic terror?
All of the Jewish Democrats, that I know -

- Are Jewish before they are Democrats

- They also support Israel

- They provide ZERO support for terrorism of any variety.

To reiterate, I am not a Dem. Never have been.
… and in my experience they (American Jews) are not at all sanguine with the current Israeli government in regards to how they are dealing with the Gaza issue.
IMO, this troll's views about Jews and a Zionism and Anti-Semitism and Palestine and Islam and Catholics and...are simply willfully ignorant and hateful. But they are sadly representative of the way much of the hard right, white nationalist part of our society sees these matters.

It's accurate that many American Jews, who are also Dems, also take issue with the Netanyahu government, settlements, etc. Most are Zionist, certainly pro-Israel, though not 100%. There are definitely Jews who are not pro-Zionist. They simply see the issue differently.

There are certainly also American Jews who are both staunchly Zionist and favor the Netanyahu approach to Zionism. They tend to be GOP members, but not exclusively.

Interesting editorial in today's WSJ on Anti-Semitism. They make the accurate point that there is also an element of the left that mixes pro-Palestinian sentiments with an anti-semitic streak, as if one cannot be concerned about the plight of many Palestinians and also sympathetic to Jewish history and concerns. That has indeed taken its ugliest turn on college campuses where being anti-Israel has become popular with many, again confusing the current government's policies with Jews and Israel overall. Serious issue.

But the vast majority of anti-semitic threats and acts against synagogues has been from the hard right, and there's been a dramatic rise in such over the past few years.

The other nit I'd have with that editorial column in the WSJ was its characterization of evangelicals as among the 'staunchest supporters of Israel'. That's true, but for many evangelicals that's because they think that End Times require the Jewish state's existence in a final war with the anti-christ. Which they are eager to see happen sooner rather than later. It is a supercessionist view of Judaism, not a true respect and appreciation for either Jews or Israel, or for that matter humanity's continuance. BTW, that's not all evangelicals, for sure, but it is for a big portion and is the underlying theological basis preached in many such churches, even those who are not so eager for End Times to come anytime soon. It's still what is preached.

So, 'supporting Israel' can and does co-exist with anti-semitism and various white nationalist hate groups and ideology. These buttholes think of themselves as "Christians" but are anything but following Jesus.
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https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/7273 ... ion-watch/ For some reason I don't remember some of our FLP friends here at this forum repudiating this action from their own people outside of their own convention. Was this Trumps fault or are some of you FLP folks just anti Israeli haters? cussing1 It would seem you democrats have more in common with this murdering SOB than you will admit... those jews are a bunch of termites are they not... that is what Louis Farrakhan refers to them as... I wonder what the good Rev F will have to say about this?? cya1 https://townhall.com/columnists/michael ... t-n2529810 Maybe this murdering SOB in Pittsburgh was also influenced by the good Rev. Farrakhan. It seems like they both have the same opinion of jews. angry5 https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxhist=0
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Maybe he was really inspired by Louis Farrakhan and those comments about the jews being termites finally put him over the edge. Then again we can just take the easy way out and blame it all on Trump. :roll:
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MDlaxfan76 wrote:
jhu72 wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
DMac wrote:Another daily dose of doltisms from the wretched pile of stench.
Democrats are extremely anti-Semetic.
You do realize that when you say Democrats that means every one in the country, right?
I know, I know, you just like to come on, stir the pot, toss a little fuel on the fire,
and be part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
Yes Democrats are Anti-Semetic. If they weren't, they'd support Israel. They wouldn't support political candidates who want to enact Sharia Law in the US. Democrats sympathize with Islamic Terror that seeks to destroy ours and Israel's very existence. This isn't hard to understand Mr. AA. See the thread about the now, well over 600 incidents of violence brought forth by Democrats towards Republicans in the last two years.
How do you reconcile your statement with those Democrats that are Jewish?
Jews have been duped by the Democrats for years. Just like blacks. Many Jews live in NYC and it is a Dem stronghold. It is how they have been brought up. Democrats are terrible today. They are soooo far left.
How do you reconcile that many blacks and Hispanics and women are Trump supporters yet you and your kind call Trump a bigot, racist and misogynist?
When you answer my questions, I'll return the courtesy.
I answered. Jews that vote Democrat have more loyalty to the Democrat Party than their religion. Same can be said about Catholics. The Church is anti abortion yet many Catholics are Democrats, again proving they are more loyal to the Democrat Party than their religion.

Why don't Democrats support Israel? Why do they support candidates that sympathize awith Islamic terror?
All of the Jewish Democrats, that I know -

- Are Jewish before they are Democrats

- They also support Israel

- They provide ZERO support for terrorism of any variety.

To reiterate, I am not a Dem. Never have been.
… and in my experience they (American Jews) are not at all sanguine with the current Israeli government in regards to how they are dealing with the Gaza issue.
IMO, this troll's views about Jews and a Zionism and Anti-Semitism and Palestine and Islam and Catholics and...are simply willfully ignorant and hateful. But they are sadly representative of the way much of the hard right, white nationalist part of our society sees these matters.

It's accurate that many American Jews, who are also Dems, also take issue with the Netanyahu government, settlements, etc. Most are Zionist, certainly pro-Israel, though not 100%. There are definitely Jews who are not pro-Zionist. They simply see the issue differently.

There are certainly also American Jews who are both staunchly Zionist and favor the Netanyahu approach to Zionism. They tend to be GOP members, but not exclusively.

Interesting editorial in today's WSJ on Anti-Semitism. They make the accurate point that there is also an element of the left that mixes pro-Palestinian sentiments with an anti-semitic streak, as if one cannot be concerned about the plight of many Palestinians and also sympathetic to Jewish history and concerns. That has indeed taken its ugliest turn on college campuses where being anti-Israel has become popular with many, again confusing the current government's policies with Jews and Israel overall. Serious issue.

But the vast majority of anti-semitic threats and acts against synagogues has been from the hard right, and there's been a dramatic rise in such over the past few years.

The other nit I'd have with that editorial column in the WSJ was its characterization of evangelicals as among the 'staunchest supporters of Israel'. That's true, but for many evangelicals that's because they think that End Times require the Jewish state's existence in a final war with the anti-christ. Which they are eager to see happen sooner rather than later. It is a supercessionist view of Judaism, not a true respect and appreciation for either Jews or Israel, or for that matter humanity's continuance. BTW, that's not all evangelicals, for sure, but it is for a big portion and is the underlying theological basis preached in many such churches, even those who are not so eager for End Times to come anytime soon. It's still what is preached.

So, 'supporting Israel' can and does co-exist with anti-semitism and various white nationalist hate groups and ideology. These buttholes think of themselves as "Christians" but are anything but following Jesus.
I laugh everytime I hear about evangelicals being such great supporters of "the Jews". Pew Research does a Religion in America tracking study, been going on for a couple decades now. Among all religious denominations, American Jews like evangelicals least, ie., positive / negative attitude. They are viewed negatively on the whole. Atheist are viewed more positively! Conversely Evangelicals view Jews more positively than all but one Christian denomination, their own. Evangelicals are every other groups least favorite Christian denomination, at least the last time I looked at the tracking study, pre-Trump. My guess is with the advent of Trump, Evangelicals are viewed much less positively than they were pre-Trump.
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cradleandshoot wrote:Maybe he was really inspired by Louis Farrakhan and those comments about the jews being termites finally put him over the edge. Then again we can just take the easy way out and blame it all on Trump. :roll:
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MDlaxfan76 wrote:
jhu72 wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
DMac wrote:Another daily dose of doltisms from the wretched pile of stench.
Democrats are extremely anti-Semetic.
You do realize that when you say Democrats that means every one in the country, right?
I know, I know, you just like to come on, stir the pot, toss a little fuel on the fire,
and be part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
Yes Democrats are Anti-Semetic. If they weren't, they'd support Israel. They wouldn't support political candidates who want to enact Sharia Law in the US. Democrats sympathize with Islamic Terror that seeks to destroy ours and Israel's very existence. This isn't hard to understand Mr. AA. See the thread about the now, well over 600 incidents of violence brought forth by Democrats towards Republicans in the last two years.
How do you reconcile your statement with those Democrats that are Jewish?
Jews have been duped by the Democrats for years. Just like blacks. Many Jews live in NYC and it is a Dem stronghold. It is how they have been brought up. Democrats are terrible today. They are soooo far left.
How do you reconcile that many blacks and Hispanics and women are Trump supporters yet you and your kind call Trump a bigot, racist and misogynist?
When you answer my questions, I'll return the courtesy.
I answered. Jews that vote Democrat have more loyalty to the Democrat Party than their religion. Same can be said about Catholics. The Church is anti abortion yet many Catholics are Democrats, again proving they are more loyal to the Democrat Party than their religion.

Why don't Democrats support Israel? Why do they support candidates that sympathize awith Islamic terror?
All of the Jewish Democrats, that I know -

- Are Jewish before they are Democrats

- They also support Israel

- They provide ZERO support for terrorism of any variety.

To reiterate, I am not a Dem. Never have been.
… and in my experience they (American Jews) are not at all sanguine with the current Israeli government in regards to how they are dealing with the Gaza issue.
IMO, this troll's views about Jews and a Zionism and Anti-Semitism and Palestine and Islam and Catholics and...are simply willfully ignorant and hateful. But they are sadly representative of the way much of the hard right, white nationalist part of our society sees these matters.

It's accurate that many American Jews, who are also Dems, also take issue with the Netanyahu government, settlements, etc. Most are Zionist, certainly pro-Israel, though not 100%. There are definitely Jews who are not pro-Zionist. They simply see the issue differently.

There are certainly also American Jews who are both staunchly Zionist and favor the Netanyahu approach to Zionism. They tend to be GOP members, but not exclusively.

Interesting editorial in today's WSJ on Anti-Semitism. They make the accurate point that there is also an element of the left that mixes pro-Palestinian sentiments with an anti-semitic streak, as if one cannot be concerned about the plight of many Palestinians and also sympathetic to Jewish history and concerns. That has indeed taken its ugliest turn on college campuses where being anti-Israel has become popular with many, again confusing the current government's policies with Jews and Israel overall. Serious issue.

But the vast majority of anti-semitic threats and acts against synagogues has been from the hard right, and there's been a dramatic rise in such over the past few years.

The other nit I'd have with that editorial column in the WSJ was its characterization of evangelicals as among the 'staunchest supporters of Israel'. That's true, but for many evangelicals that's because they think that End Times require the Jewish state's existence in a final war with the anti-christ. Which they are eager to see happen sooner rather than later. It is a supercessionist view of Judaism, not a true respect and appreciation for either Jews or Israel, or for that matter humanity's continuance. BTW, that's not all evangelicals, for sure, but it is for a big portion and is the underlying theological basis preached in many such churches, even those who are not so eager for End Times to come anytime soon. It's still what is preached.

So, 'supporting Israel' can and does co-exist with anti-semitism and various white nationalist hate groups and ideology. These buttholes think of themselves as "Christians" but are anything but following Jesus.
There we go with calling me a white nationalist again. You calling Trump supporters white supremacists and nationalists really make you look like a dumbass and unintelligent. If Trump and his supporters were white supremacists, why does he have over 30% approval from blacks? Why does the US have the lowest black and hispanic unemployment ever? Why does Trump's cabinet and advisors contain people from all creeds, colors, and ethnicities? You are a piece of trash racist. Democrats are Anti-Semetic. They support Muslim candidates and talking heads who want death to Israel and infidels. Democrats sympathize with Islamic Terror. Democrats are no friend to the Jewish people. They opposed moving the capital to Jerusalem. Democrats support Louis Farrakhan who called Jews "termites" and wants them eradicated. Obama and the State Dept gave Iran billions of $$ to Iran to a regime that has threatened to blow Israel off the map.

Donald Trump is the most pro-Jewish President in US History. A lot of his family is Jewish. Yet CNN calls him Anti-Semetic? This is why everyone hates CNN and their ratings suck. They are fake news and you pos fall for it every time. You are a racist and you prove it every time you post.
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Bandito wrote:
There we go with calling me a white nationalist again......
You wrote that Trump is not a conservative and that he is a Nationalist. You are what you support.
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Don meant to say Nativist. He lies so much he gets a little mixed up day-to-day.

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cradleandshoot wrote:https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/7273 ... ion-watch/ For some reason I don't remember some of our FLP friends here at this forum repudiating this action from their own people outside of their own convention. Was this Trumps fault or are some of you FLP folks just anti Israeli haters? cussing1 It would seem you democrats have more in common with this murdering SOB than you will admit... those jews are a bunch of termites are they not... that is what Louis Farrakhan refers to them as... I wonder what the good Rev F will have to say about this?? cya1 https://townhall.com/columnists/michael ... t-n2529810 Maybe this murdering SOB in Pittsburgh was also influenced by the good Rev. Farrakhan. It seems like they both have the same opinion of jews. angry5 https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxhist=0
cradle,
I think you know better and are better.

There is definitely an element of the left that is "anti-Israel", "anti-Zionism", Pro-Palestinian. Quite a lot of that on college campuses. All mixed up with concern about Palestinian rights, especially in the face of an aggressive, Netanyahu gov't. Discussed that above. Not sure why you are grinding so hard on that. I don't think anyone has argued differently on these threads.

But "Farakhan"? As Trinity said "He left a note. He told us why."
This particular whack job was not of the far left, he was a creature of the hard right, white supremacist ideology.
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FAKE JEWS

Yes, you read that right. Only our weird Vice President could gin up this kind of weirdness...

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MDlaxfan76 wrote: IMO, this troll's views about Jews and a Zionism and Anti-Semitism and Palestine and Islam and Catholics and...are simply willfully ignorant and hateful. But they are sadly representative of the way much of the hard right, white nationalist part of our society sees these matters.

It's accurate that many American Jews, who are also Dems, also take issue with the Netanyahu government, settlements, etc. Most are Zionist, certainly pro-Israel, though not 100%. There are definitely Jews who are not pro-Zionist. They simply see the issue differently.

There are certainly also American Jews who are both staunchly Zionist and favor the Netanyahu approach to Zionism. They tend to be GOP members, but not exclusively.

Interesting editorial in today's WSJ on Anti-Semitism. They make the accurate point that there is also an element of the left that mixes pro-Palestinian sentiments with an anti-semitic streak, as if one cannot be concerned about the plight of many Palestinians and also sympathetic to Jewish history and concerns. That has indeed taken its ugliest turn on college campuses where being anti-Israel has become popular with many, again confusing the current government's policies with Jews and Israel overall. Serious issue.

But the vast majority of anti-semitic threats and acts against synagogues has been from the hard right, and there's been a dramatic rise in such over the past few years.

The other nit I'd have with that editorial column in the WSJ was its characterization of evangelicals as among the 'staunchest supporters of Israel'. That's true, but for many evangelicals that's because they think that End Times require the Jewish state's existence in a final war with the anti-christ. Which they are eager to see happen sooner rather than later. It is a supercessionist view of Judaism, not a true respect and appreciation for either Jews or Israel, or for that matter humanity's continuance. BTW, that's not all evangelicals, for sure, but it is for a big portion and is the underlying theological basis preached in many such churches, even those who are not so eager for End Times to come anytime soon. It's still what is preached.

So, 'supporting Israel' can and does co-exist with anti-semitism and various white nationalist hate groups and ideology. These buttholes think of themselves as "Christians" but are anything but following Jesus.
"It's accurate that many American Jews, who are also Dems, also take issue with the Netanyahu government, settlements, etc. Most are Zionist, certainly pro-Israel, though not 100%. There are definitely Jews who are not pro-Zionist. They simply see the issue differently."

That is spot on....Netanyahu is Isreal's version of Trump.
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dislaxxic wrote:FAKE JEWS

Yes, you read that right. Only our weird Vice President could gin up this kind of weirdness...

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Bandito wrote:
MDlaxfan76 wrote:
jhu72 wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
DMac wrote:Another daily dose of doltisms from the wretched pile of stench.
Democrats are extremely anti-Semetic.
You do realize that when you say Democrats that means every one in the country, right?
I know, I know, you just like to come on, stir the pot, toss a little fuel on the fire,
and be part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
Yes Democrats are Anti-Semetic. If they weren't, they'd support Israel. They wouldn't support political candidates who want to enact Sharia Law in the US. Democrats sympathize with Islamic Terror that seeks to destroy ours and Israel's very existence. This isn't hard to understand Mr. AA. See the thread about the now, well over 600 incidents of violence brought forth by Democrats towards Republicans in the last two years.
How do you reconcile your statement with those Democrats that are Jewish?
Jews have been duped by the Democrats for years. Just like blacks. Many Jews live in NYC and it is a Dem stronghold. It is how they have been brought up. Democrats are terrible today. They are soooo far left.
How do you reconcile that many blacks and Hispanics and women are Trump supporters yet you and your kind call Trump a bigot, racist and misogynist?
When you answer my questions, I'll return the courtesy.
I answered. Jews that vote Democrat have more loyalty to the Democrat Party than their religion. Same can be said about Catholics. The Church is anti abortion yet many Catholics are Democrats, again proving they are more loyal to the Democrat Party than their religion.

Why don't Democrats support Israel? Why do they support candidates that sympathize awith Islamic terror?
All of the Jewish Democrats, that I know -

- Are Jewish before they are Democrats

- They also support Israel

- They provide ZERO support for terrorism of any variety.

To reiterate, I am not a Dem. Never have been.
… and in my experience they (American Jews) are not at all sanguine with the current Israeli government in regards to how they are dealing with the Gaza issue.
IMO, this troll's views about Jews and a Zionism and Anti-Semitism and Palestine and Islam and Catholics and...are simply willfully ignorant and hateful. But they are sadly representative of the way much of the hard right, white nationalist part of our society sees these matters.

It's accurate that many American Jews, who are also Dems, also take issue with the Netanyahu government, settlements, etc. Most are Zionist, certainly pro-Israel, though not 100%. There are definitely Jews who are not pro-Zionist. They simply see the issue differently.

There are certainly also American Jews who are both staunchly Zionist and favor the Netanyahu approach to Zionism. They tend to be GOP members, but not exclusively.

Interesting editorial in today's WSJ on Anti-Semitism. They make the accurate point that there is also an element of the left that mixes pro-Palestinian sentiments with an anti-semitic streak, as if one cannot be concerned about the plight of many Palestinians and also sympathetic to Jewish history and concerns. That has indeed taken its ugliest turn on college campuses where being anti-Israel has become popular with many, again confusing the current government's policies with Jews and Israel overall. Serious issue.

But the vast majority of anti-semitic threats and acts against synagogues has been from the hard right, and there's been a dramatic rise in such over the past few years.

The other nit I'd have with that editorial column in the WSJ was its characterization of evangelicals as among the 'staunchest supporters of Israel'. That's true, but for many evangelicals that's because they think that End Times require the Jewish state's existence in a final war with the anti-christ. Which they are eager to see happen sooner rather than later. It is a supercessionist view of Judaism, not a true respect and appreciation for either Jews or Israel, or for that matter humanity's continuance. BTW, that's not all evangelicals, for sure, but it is for a big portion and is the underlying theological basis preached in many such churches, even those who are not so eager for End Times to come anytime soon. It's still what is preached.

So, 'supporting Israel' can and does co-exist with anti-semitism and various white nationalist hate groups and ideology. These buttholes think of themselves as "Christians" but are anything but following Jesus.
There we go with calling me a white nationalist again. You calling Trump supporters white supremacists and nationalists really make you look like a dumbass and unintelligent. If Trump and his supporters were white supremacists, why does he have over 30% approval from blacks? Why does the US have the lowest black and hispanic unemployment ever? Why does Trump's cabinet and advisors contain people from all creeds, colors, and ethnicities? You are a piece of trash racist. Democrats are Anti-Semetic. They support Muslim candidates and talking heads who want death to Israel and infidels. Democrats sympathize with Islamic Terror. Democrats are no friend to the Jewish people. They opposed moving the capital to Jerusalem. Democrats support Louis Farrakhan who called Jews "termites" and wants them eradicated. Obama and the State Dept gave Iran billions of $$ to Iran to a regime that has threatened to blow Israel off the map.

Donald Trump is the most pro-Jewish President in US History. A lot of his family is Jewish. Yet CNN calls him Anti-Semetic? This is why everyone hates CNN and their ratings suck. They are fake news and you pos fall for it every time. You are a racist and you prove it every time you post.
Is your constant miss-spelling of 'semitic' purposeful? Or just ignorant?

I've never met you, but I have read enough of your posts to discern the pattern of your opinions. While they contain all sorts of whacky mis-truths, prevarications, and outright lies, you've made quite clear who you fear, resent, and hate... repeatedly. You've also made clear that you support, do not reject, the hateful ideology of white supremacy. Instead, you parrot their propaganda. Much of what you wrote above is straight out of that playbook.

You change your tune 180 degrees, consistently, and I'll eventually change my opinion of what you believe. Otherwise, we simply have what you have already written to go on.

I certainly do not think all Trump supporters are "white supremacists and nationalists" and have repeatedly said so. Many are indeed inherently good people who reflect the values in their local community and who have been influenced by the propaganda of the right.

What I would say to those inherently good people is not an accusation that they themselves are "white supremacists and nationalists" but that they have, perhaps previously unwittingly, welcomed those sorts into their cheering throngs. They have not rejected them. And that message is coming directly from Trump himself. The "white supremacists and nationalists" have indeed heard him loud and clear as welcoming them and that he holds values similar to their own. The dog whistles have been heard clearly by the white nationalist whack jobs. I'd ask the "good people" to reconsider.

As I also wrote, Trump's relationship with Jews is much more complicated. I'll not repeat those complications. And, apparently this particular far right whack job, white supremacist, expressed annoyance that Trump has been insufficiently anti-semitic to his eyes. Less than full-on hate of Jews is deemed insufficient by these nuts.

Claiming that George Soros paid for a caravan of "invaders" from Honduras ain't enough. Nor are claims that they are full of "Middle Easterners". But hey, they are now bringing smallpox and leprosy!... and, wait for it... rich Jew Democrats are paying them to do it...

As to African American approval ratings above 30%, you said just a few posts/days ago that it was 50%. Both #'s are nonsense and products of very limited, targeted polling. It would be true, however, that blacks have prospered in the current economy along with the rest of the country. The gap between white and black prosperity and employment remains high, but indeed there is prosperity. On that dimension, polling does indicate that blacks appreciate that the economy is currently strong. But few are confused about what the trajectory was under the prior President and its continuation. But indeed, Trump's job performance approval is getting a boost due to the economy, as we'd expect. But it just dropped again to 40% overall despite the economy. It's no mystery as to why.
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Re: Israel and Zionism

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MDlaxfan76 wrote:
Bandito wrote:
MDlaxfan76 wrote:
jhu72 wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
foreverlax wrote:
Bandito wrote:
DMac wrote:Another daily dose of doltisms from the wretched pile of stench.
Democrats are extremely anti-Semetic.
You do realize that when you say Democrats that means every one in the country, right?
I know, I know, you just like to come on, stir the pot, toss a little fuel on the fire,
and be part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
Yes Democrats are Anti-Semetic. If they weren't, they'd support Israel. They wouldn't support political candidates who want to enact Sharia Law in the US. Democrats sympathize with Islamic Terror that seeks to destroy ours and Israel's very existence. This isn't hard to understand Mr. AA. See the thread about the now, well over 600 incidents of violence brought forth by Democrats towards Republicans in the last two years.
How do you reconcile your statement with those Democrats that are Jewish?
Jews have been duped by the Democrats for years. Just like blacks. Many Jews live in NYC and it is a Dem stronghold. It is how they have been brought up. Democrats are terrible today. They are soooo far left.
How do you reconcile that many blacks and Hispanics and women are Trump supporters yet you and your kind call Trump a bigot, racist and misogynist?
When you answer my questions, I'll return the courtesy.
I answered. Jews that vote Democrat have more loyalty to the Democrat Party than their religion. Same can be said about Catholics. The Church is anti abortion yet many Catholics are Democrats, again proving they are more loyal to the Democrat Party than their religion.

Why don't Democrats support Israel? Why do they support candidates that sympathize awith Islamic terror?
All of the Jewish Democrats, that I know -

- Are Jewish before they are Democrats

- They also support Israel

- They provide ZERO support for terrorism of any variety.

To reiterate, I am not a Dem. Never have been.
… and in my experience they (American Jews) are not at all sanguine with the current Israeli government in regards to how they are dealing with the Gaza issue.
IMO, this troll's views about Jews and a Zionism and Anti-Semitism and Palestine and Islam and Catholics and...are simply willfully ignorant and hateful. But they are sadly representative of the way much of the hard right, white nationalist part of our society sees these matters.

It's accurate that many American Jews, who are also Dems, also take issue with the Netanyahu government, settlements, etc. Most are Zionist, certainly pro-Israel, though not 100%. There are definitely Jews who are not pro-Zionist. They simply see the issue differently.

There are certainly also American Jews who are both staunchly Zionist and favor the Netanyahu approach to Zionism. They tend to be GOP members, but not exclusively.

Interesting editorial in today's WSJ on Anti-Semitism. They make the accurate point that there is also an element of the left that mixes pro-Palestinian sentiments with an anti-semitic streak, as if one cannot be concerned about the plight of many Palestinians and also sympathetic to Jewish history and concerns. That has indeed taken its ugliest turn on college campuses where being anti-Israel has become popular with many, again confusing the current government's policies with Jews and Israel overall. Serious issue.

But the vast majority of anti-semitic threats and acts against synagogues has been from the hard right, and there's been a dramatic rise in such over the past few years.

The other nit I'd have with that editorial column in the WSJ was its characterization of evangelicals as among the 'staunchest supporters of Israel'. That's true, but for many evangelicals that's because they think that End Times require the Jewish state's existence in a final war with the anti-christ. Which they are eager to see happen sooner rather than later. It is a supercessionist view of Judaism, not a true respect and appreciation for either Jews or Israel, or for that matter humanity's continuance. BTW, that's not all evangelicals, for sure, but it is for a big portion and is the underlying theological basis preached in many such churches, even those who are not so eager for End Times to come anytime soon. It's still what is preached.

So, 'supporting Israel' can and does co-exist with anti-semitism and various white nationalist hate groups and ideology. These buttholes think of themselves as "Christians" but are anything but following Jesus.
There we go with calling me a white nationalist again. You calling Trump supporters white supremacists and nationalists really make you look like a dumbass and unintelligent. If Trump and his supporters were white supremacists, why does he have over 30% approval from blacks? Why does the US have the lowest black and hispanic unemployment ever? Why does Trump's cabinet and advisors contain people from all creeds, colors, and ethnicities? You are a piece of trash racist. Democrats are Anti-Semetic. They support Muslim candidates and talking heads who want death to Israel and infidels. Democrats sympathize with Islamic Terror. Democrats are no friend to the Jewish people. They opposed moving the capital to Jerusalem. Democrats support Louis Farrakhan who called Jews "termites" and wants them eradicated. Obama and the State Dept gave Iran billions of $$ to Iran to a regime that has threatened to blow Israel off the map.

Donald Trump is the most pro-Jewish President in US History. A lot of his family is Jewish. Yet CNN calls him Anti-Semetic? This is why everyone hates CNN and their ratings suck. They are fake news and you pos fall for it every time. You are a racist and you prove it every time you post.
Is your constant miss-spelling of 'semitic' purposeful? Or just ignorant?

I've never met you, but I have read enough of your posts to discern the pattern of your opinions. While they contain all sorts of whacky mis-truths, prevarications, and outright lies, you've made quite clear who you fear, resent, and hate... repeatedly. You've also made clear that you support, do not reject, the hateful ideology of white supremacy. Instead, you parrot their propaganda. Much of what you wrote above is straight out of that playbook.

You change your tune 180 degrees, consistently, and I'll eventually change my opinion of what you believe. Otherwise, we simply have what you have already written to go on.

I certainly do not think all Trump supporters are "white supremacists and nationalists" and have repeatedly said so. Many are indeed inherently good people who reflect the values in their local community and who have been influenced by the propaganda of the right.

What I would say to those inherently good people is not an accusation that they themselves are "white supremacists and nationalists" but that they have, perhaps previously unwittingly, welcomed those sorts into their cheering throngs. They have not rejected them. And that message is coming directly from Trump himself. The "white supremacists and nationalists" have indeed heard him loud and clear as welcoming them and that he holds values similar to their own. The dog whistles have been heard clearly by the white nationalist whack jobs. I'd ask the "good people" to reconsider.

As I also wrote, Trump's relationship with Jews is much more complicated. I'll not repeat those complications. And, apparently this particular far right whack job, white supremacist, expressed annoyance that Trump has been insufficiently anti-semitic to his eyes. Less than full-on hate of Jews is deemed insufficient by these nuts.

Claiming that George Soros paid for a caravan of "invaders" from Honduras ain't enough. Nor are claims that they are full of "Middle Easterners". But hey, they are now bringing smallpox and leprosy!... and, wait for it... rich Jew Democrats are paying them to do it...

As to African American approval ratings above 30%, you said just a few posts/days ago that it was 50%. Both #'s are nonsense and products of very limited, targeted polling. It would be true, however, that blacks have prospered in the current economy along with the rest of the country. The gap between white and black prosperity and employment remains high, but indeed there is prosperity. On that dimension, polling does indicate that blacks appreciate that the economy is currently strong. But few are confused about what the trajectory was under the prior President and its continuation. But indeed, Trump's job performance approval is getting a boost due to the economy, as we'd expect. But it just dropped again to 40% overall despite the economy. It's no mystery as to why.

Nice backpedal since you are getting called out for it. Now you claim well some Trump supporters are good LOL. 63 million and counting. Nice. Trump supporters don't commit violence against those they disagree with politically- And Cesar Sayoc wasn't a true MAGA supporter. We don't condone violence. Dems promote violence and it is well documented on the one thread and most recently I posted the 179 death threats on Twitter toward DJT. Do you condemn those? You have called me a white nationalist/supremacist a few times now. It isn't true. I am not a Democrat. How can I be a white supremacist? White supremacy is an ideal shrouded in the Democrat Party's history. Do you not know history? Or do you believe the lies you were fed in college? I never said black approval of the President is at 50% I said in the 30s. This was from Rasmussen and was one of the top stories on Drudge (he is a never Trumper btw). In the poll black approval of the President is at 30% and has 50% approval of the American public. You calling it nonsense is pathetic. If so, then do you agree all polls are nonsense and very limited? I highly doubt it. You disagree with it because it doesn't fit your hate for Trump narrative. Donald Trump is by far the most pro-Jewish and Israel President the US has ever had. To claim otherwise is just lying.
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Re: Israel and Zionism

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MDlaxfan76 wrote:
cradleandshoot wrote:https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/7273 ... ion-watch/ For some reason I don't remember some of our FLP friends here at this forum repudiating this action from their own people outside of their own convention. Was this Trumps fault or are some of you FLP folks just anti Israeli haters? cussing1 It would seem you democrats have more in common with this murdering SOB than you will admit... those jews are a bunch of termites are they not... that is what Louis Farrakhan refers to them as... I wonder what the good Rev F will have to say about this?? cya1 https://townhall.com/columnists/michael ... t-n2529810 Maybe this murdering SOB in Pittsburgh was also influenced by the good Rev. Farrakhan. It seems like they both have the same opinion of jews. angry5 https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxhist=0
cradle,
I think you know better and are better.

There is definitely an element of the left that is "anti-Israel", "anti-Zionism", Pro-Palestinian. Quite a lot of that on college campuses. All mixed up with concern about Palestinian rights, especially in the face of an aggressive, Netanyahu gov't. Discussed that above. Not sure why you are grinding so hard on that. I don't think anyone has argued differently on these threads.

But "Farakhan"? As Trinity said "He left a note. He told us why."
This particular whack job was not of the far left, he was a creature of the hard right, white supremacist ideology.

You are truly laughable. You just argued that, YES, many on the left hate Israel. But, this loser arsewhole in Pittsburgh is different. even though he dislikes tRump, you label him a rightie? um, OK. Who about he's just a frikken scumbag that needs to be publically hung.

Also, so sick of people giving FarraCON and the NOI a pass. One of the biggest hate groups in America. Keep on yucking it up about bean pies (don't even know what that means) and last calls for final solutions. Where is that Howard U. "seminar" when we need it.

Problem with pretend progressives is they don't call out ALL the hate. What's that honey.......yes, just the hypocrites. Just them.

https://theundefeated.com/features/howa ... ee-speech/

Ooops......sorry, wrong won.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyVKmUfV5WA

again ....ALL hate speech needs to be condemned.

Yeah, Mr. Kambon still very much around

https://kamaukambon.org/

but......this was so long ago. Pretends LIKED tRump and his donations money when this was filmed at Howard. U
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