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seacoaster wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:10 pm
jhu72 wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:02 pm Looks like the Hope Hicks appearance before the House yesterday was a tactical mistake for OD and his toadies. The transcript shows the kinds of questions Trump lawyers claimed executive privilege on. Clear BS claim on these specific questions. House will use this before judge to show the unreasonableness of Trump's claim. Advantage Jerry Nadler.
Here's the transcript:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/20/politics ... index.html
Thanks. What nonsense. Trump's toadies are going to get a spanking in court. Of the pages I read, the government claims would not standup even under executive privilege as I understand executive privilege. General immunity is laughable. Clearly what Nadler wants is a judge to rule on the extent executive privilege would cover any of these questions, short circuiting Trump's toadies game. The general immunity claim will be laughed at. This will show the disingenuousness of the Black House and their lawyers.


Trump has nothing to hide. :lol: :lol:
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From this morning's cases, this is one of those nerd-bar super important cases, and it appears that the Court forged a rough and splintered consensus of sorts:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/1 ... 5_9p6b.pdf

Kavanaugh (concurring in the judgment) proving that he still "likes beer," with the use of the hackneyed trope of Balls and Strikes.
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SCOTUS' five member majority says that partisan gerrymandering presents a non-justiciable political question not suitable for the federal courts:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/1 ... 2_9ol1.pdf

So it appears that your legislature can dilute the value of your vote, by placing you in a district with a sufficient number of folks in the other party that you'll likely never elect your candidate without a tremendous landslide. And legislators can choose the voters they want for the districts they create. ANd if you have a problem with that, well, it is politics, and you need to elect your own guys and gals, or get Congress to do something about it. As my daughter often says in text messages to me:

"Hahahahahahahahahah."

Kagan's dissent -- for her, Sotomayor, Breyer and Ginsburg -- begins as follows:

"For the first time ever, this Court refuses to remedy a constitutional violation because it thinks the task beyond judicial capabilities.

And not just any constitutional violation. The partisan gerrymanders in these cases deprived citizens of the most fundamental of their constitutional rights: the rights to participate equally in the political process, to join with others to advance political beliefs, and to choose their
political representatives. In so doing, the partisan gerrymanders here debased and dishonored our democracy, turning upside-down the core American idea that all governmental power derives from the people. These gerrymanders enabled politicians to entrench themselves in office as against voters’ preferences. They promoted partisanship above respect for the popular will. They encouraged a politics of polarization and dysfunction. If left unchecked, gerrymanders like the ones here may irreparably damage our system of government.”

This is a lot to read, but my guess is there will be widespread speculation that the Chief -- who wrote the opinion of the Court -- is deeply concerned about the Court's ability to remedy this sort of legislative hanky-panky without appearing politically partisan itself, and that dodging the issue and presenting it to the political branches (and, therefore, the electorate). If so, time will tell whether he did anything to help the Court's institutional integrity.
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seacoaster wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:30 am SCOTUS' five member majority says that partisan gerrymandering presents a non-justiciable political question not suitable for the federal courts:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/1 ... 2_9ol1.pdf

So it appears that your legislature can dilute the value of your vote, by placing you in a district with a sufficient number of folks in the other party that you'll likely never elect your candidate without a tremendous landslide. And legislators can choose the voters they want for the districts they create. ANd if you have a problem with that, well, it is politics, and you need to elect your own guys and gals, or get Congress to do something about it. As my daughter often says in text messages to me:

"Hahahahahahahahahah."

Kagan's dissent -- for her, Sotomayor, Breyer and Ginsburg -- begins as follows:

"For the first time ever, this Court refuses to remedy a constitutional violation because it thinks the task beyond judicial capabilities.

And not just any constitutional violation. The partisan gerrymanders in these cases deprived citizens of the most fundamental of their constitutional rights: the rights to participate equally in the political process, to join with others to advance political beliefs, and to choose their
political representatives. In so doing, the partisan gerrymanders here debased and dishonored our democracy, turning upside-down the core American idea that all governmental power derives from the people. These gerrymanders enabled politicians to entrench themselves in office as against voters’ preferences. They promoted partisanship above respect for the popular will. They encouraged a politics of polarization and dysfunction. If left unchecked, gerrymanders like the ones here may irreparably damage our system of government.”

This is a lot to read, but my guess is there will be widespread speculation that the Chief -- who wrote the opinion of the Court -- is deeply concerned about the Court's ability to remedy this sort of legislative hanky-panky without appearing politically partisan itself, and that dodging the issue and presenting it to the political branches (and, therefore, the electorate). If so, time will tell whether he did anything to help the Court's institutional integrity.
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seacoaster wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:30 am SCOTUS' five member majority says that partisan gerrymandering presents a non-justiciable political question not suitable for the federal courts:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/1 ... 2_9ol1.pdf

So it appears that your legislature can dilute the value of your vote, by placing you in a district with a sufficient number of folks in the other party that you'll likely never elect your candidate without a tremendous landslide. And legislators can choose the voters they want for the districts they create. ANd if you have a problem with that, well, it is politics, and you need to elect your own guys and gals, or get Congress to do something about it. As my daughter often says in text messages to me:

"Hahahahahahahahahah."

Kagan's dissent -- for her, Sotomayor, Breyer and Ginsburg -- begins as follows:

"For the first time ever, this Court refuses to remedy a constitutional violation because it thinks the task beyond judicial capabilities.

And not just any constitutional violation. The partisan gerrymanders in these cases deprived citizens of the most fundamental of their constitutional rights: the rights to participate equally in the political process, to join with others to advance political beliefs, and to choose their
political representatives. In so doing, the partisan gerrymanders here debased and dishonored our democracy, turning upside-down the core American idea that all governmental power derives from the people. These gerrymanders enabled politicians to entrench themselves in office as against voters’ preferences. They promoted partisanship above respect for the popular will. They encouraged a politics of polarization and dysfunction. If left unchecked, gerrymanders like the ones here may irreparably damage our system of government.”

This is a lot to read, but my guess is there will be widespread speculation that the Chief -- who wrote the opinion of the Court -- is deeply concerned about the Court's ability to remedy this sort of legislative hanky-panky without appearing politically partisan itself, and that dodging the issue and presenting it to the political branches (and, therefore, the electorate). If so, time will tell whether he did anything to help the Court's institutional integrity.
Disappointing but it cuts both ways.

They also just found (short answer) that Census cannot contain citizenship status question. Roberts found Trump admin reason for the question to be fraudulent. Was a 5-4 decision.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:49 am
seacoaster wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:30 am SCOTUS' five member majority says that partisan gerrymandering presents a non-justiciable political question not suitable for the federal courts:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/1 ... 2_9ol1.pdf

So it appears that your legislature can dilute the value of your vote, by placing you in a district with a sufficient number of folks in the other party that you'll likely never elect your candidate without a tremendous landslide. And legislators can choose the voters they want for the districts they create. ANd if you have a problem with that, well, it is politics, and you need to elect your own guys and gals, or get Congress to do something about it. As my daughter often says in text messages to me:

"Hahahahahahahahahah."

Kagan's dissent -- for her, Sotomayor, Breyer and Ginsburg -- begins as follows:

"For the first time ever, this Court refuses to remedy a constitutional violation because it thinks the task beyond judicial capabilities.

And not just any constitutional violation. The partisan gerrymanders in these cases deprived citizens of the most fundamental of their constitutional rights: the rights to participate equally in the political process, to join with others to advance political beliefs, and to choose their
political representatives. In so doing, the partisan gerrymanders here debased and dishonored our democracy, turning upside-down the core American idea that all governmental power derives from the people. These gerrymanders enabled politicians to entrench themselves in office as against voters’ preferences. They promoted partisanship above respect for the popular will. They encouraged a politics of polarization and dysfunction. If left unchecked, gerrymanders like the ones here may irreparably damage our system of government.”

This is a lot to read, but my guess is there will be widespread speculation that the Chief -- who wrote the opinion of the Court -- is deeply concerned about the Court's ability to remedy this sort of legislative hanky-panky without appearing politically partisan itself, and that dodging the issue and presenting it to the political branches (and, therefore, the electorate). If so, time will tell whether he did anything to help the Court's institutional integrity.
On our way to becoming a banana republic......
Polling shows that neither republicans nor democrats are in favor of gerrymandering, by a wide margin. There is some hope this gets solved by the states themselves. Pelosi's HR-1 already has a remedy in the bill but won't get passed this session. Dems should make it a campaign issue - draining the swamp.
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Really short answer for the Census case. The majority of the Court holds that there can be a citizenship inquiry. They just sent it back to the lower court so the "Secretary" -- the late Wilbur Ross -- can fix up a better reason.

This case does not deal with the Equal Protection challenge now lodged in the Maryland federal district court, I think.
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seacoaster wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:16 am Really short answer for the Census case. The majority of the Court holds that there can be a citizenship inquiry. They just sent it back to the lower court so the "Secretary" -- the late Wilbur Ross -- can fix up a better reason.

This case does not deal with the Equal Protection challenge now lodged in the Maryland federal district court, I think.

Correct. Ross being given another chance, but it is thought highly unlikely he can get back in front of SCOTUS in time. The Maryland case could overtake all of this and is thought 99% likely to go against Ross. Census FORMS need to be printed starting end of month - Ross claims. Of course the scum bags could just ignore all of this and print the FORMS with the question, requiring SCOTUS to slap them down at the time of the census, invalidating it, I would think.
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The Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/opin ... e=Homepage

"Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in a majority decision joined by all four of his conservative colleagues that federal courts have no power to entertain claims that politically motivated map drawing violates the Constitution. In law-speak, such questions are “nonjusticiable” — judges have neither the authority nor a proper standard to weigh such claims. “In this rare circumstance, that means our duty is to say ‘this is not law,’ ” the chief justice wrote.

Justice Elena Kagan, reading a pained dissent from the bench, called the decision “tragically wrong” and expressed “deep sadness” over what the outcome will mean for the nation.

“Of all times to abandon the Court’s duty to declare the law, this was not the one,” Justice Kagan wrote in her dissent, which was joined by her three liberal colleagues. “The practices challenged in these cases imperil our system of government. Part of the Court’s role in that system is to defend its foundations. None is more important than free and fair elections.”

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The two cases that the Supreme Court decided — or, rather, refused to decide — had offered the justices an opportunity to declare that courts have a duty to safeguard American democracy, whichever side is trying to rig it.

In one case, Common Cause v. Rucho, Republicans in North Carolina were doing the rigging, creating congressional districts in such a way as to ensure that Democrats would be disfavored despite the electorate’s nearly 50-50 composition. In the other case, Lamone v. Benisek, Democrats in Maryland were responsible — only one district was involved, but as Justice Kagan noted, “what was once a party stronghold” for Republicans became a Democratic district with 66,000 fewer Republican voters than it had previously. In both cases, lower courts concluded that this gamesmanship violated the Constitution’s First Amendment and equality guarantees, among other protections.

Ducking these constitutional problems, Chief Justice Roberts observed that courts cannot be “politically neutral” and are incapable of devising a “manageable” way of dealing with maps drawn for partisan gain. That’s quite an admission from the chief justice, who has himself spent much of the Trump presidency assuring the public that “we’re not doing politics,” as he has put it.

Justice Kagan laid those complaints to rest, pointing to “baseline” districting criteria that some states have adopted to guide judicial decision-making — contiguity and compactness of districts, no dividing of counties, the state’s geography. In Justice Kagan’s view, there’s no need for judges to impose their “own view of electoral fairness,” as Chief Justice Roberts and his colleagues fear.

“This Court has long understood that it has a special responsibility to remedy violations of constitutional rights resulting from politicians’ districting decisions,” Justice Kagan wrote. “Over 50 years ago, we committed to providing judicial review in that sphere, recognizing as we established the one-person- one-vote rule that ‘our oath and our office require no less.’ ”

It’s a dissent well worth reading in full, a rousing defense of the role of judges in policing rank partisanship in a process that is bound to begin anew following the 2020 census.

The newest justice, Brett Kavanaugh, quietly joined Chief Justice Roberts’s majority, despite indications during oral arguments that he may be amenable to curbing partisanship in redistricting. His joining the bench after the retirement of Justice Anthony Kennedy, who for many years left open the possibility of reining in these abuses, has effectively closed that door, maybe for good.

Besides North Carolina and Maryland, this ruling will have implications for court decisions that had thwarted gerrymandering in Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin — all of which could be overturned, largely to the benefit of Republicans at the federal and state level.

If there’s any comfort from Thursday’s ruling, it is that both the majority and the dissent acknowledged that Congress and the states must pick up the mantle of advancing democracy and promoting fairness in elections. But that comfort is small: Despite efforts at the state level to create independent redistricting commissions and increase access to the ballot box, entrenched state Republican and Democratic majorities will have an incentive, thanks to the Supreme Court, to draw districts to preserve their political capital — and stick it to voters in the process."
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Kind of a humorous piece by Milbank about the Chief dealing with the commonplace for the rest of us:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 9bed889274

"Chief Justice John Roberts used every euphemism in the thesaurus this week to accuse the Trump administration of lying.

“The evidence tells a story that does not match the . . . explanation.”

“The sole stated reason — seems to have been contrived.”

There was “a significant mismatch between the decision . . . and the rationale.”

The “explanation . . . is incongruent with what the record reveals.”

Furthermore, it was a “distraction” from the truth, “based on a pretextual rationale” and lacked “a rational connection between the facts found and the choice made.”

The chief justice, writing for the majority in the closely watched census case, was referring to Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross’s baldfaced lie: He testified to Congress that he added a citizenship question to the census “solely” because the Justice Department requested it to help with enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. Three separate judges found that to be false , and evidence emerging since the trials confirmed appearances: The real rationale was to reduce the power of nonwhite people and Democrats.

“We cannot ignore the disconnect between the decision made and the explanation given,” Roberts wrote, noting that precedent says the Supreme Court isn’t “required to exhibit a naiveté from which ordinary citizens are free.” He went on: “If judicial review is to be more than an empty ritual, it must demand something better than the explanation offered for the action taken in this case.”

The truth was on trial before the Supreme Court in the census case. The good news: The facts won. The bad news: It was a 5-to-4 decision.

Incredibly, Justice Samuel Alito, in a dissent, argued that it’s perfectly acceptable for the administration to lie to the courts. “The federal judiciary has no authority to stick its nose into . . . whether the reasons given by Secretary Ross for that decision were his only reasons or his real reasons.”
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jhu72 wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:59 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:49 am
seacoaster wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:30 am SCOTUS' five member majority says that partisan gerrymandering presents a non-justiciable political question not suitable for the federal courts:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/1 ... 2_9ol1.pdf

So it appears that your legislature can dilute the value of your vote, by placing you in a district with a sufficient number of folks in the other party that you'll likely never elect your candidate without a tremendous landslide. And legislators can choose the voters they want for the districts they create. ANd if you have a problem with that, well, it is politics, and you need to elect your own guys and gals, or get Congress to do something about it. As my daughter often says in text messages to me:

"Hahahahahahahahahah."

Kagan's dissent -- for her, Sotomayor, Breyer and Ginsburg -- begins as follows:

"For the first time ever, this Court refuses to remedy a constitutional violation because it thinks the task beyond judicial capabilities.

And not just any constitutional violation. The partisan gerrymanders in these cases deprived citizens of the most fundamental of their constitutional rights: the rights to participate equally in the political process, to join with others to advance political beliefs, and to choose their
political representatives. In so doing, the partisan gerrymanders here debased and dishonored our democracy, turning upside-down the core American idea that all governmental power derives from the people. These gerrymanders enabled politicians to entrench themselves in office as against voters’ preferences. They promoted partisanship above respect for the popular will. They encouraged a politics of polarization and dysfunction. If left unchecked, gerrymanders like the ones here may irreparably damage our system of government.”

This is a lot to read, but my guess is there will be widespread speculation that the Chief -- who wrote the opinion of the Court -- is deeply concerned about the Court's ability to remedy this sort of legislative hanky-panky without appearing politically partisan itself, and that dodging the issue and presenting it to the political branches (and, therefore, the electorate). If so, time will tell whether he did anything to help the Court's institutional integrity.
On our way to becoming a banana republic......
Polling shows that neither republicans nor democrats are in favor of gerrymandering, by a wide margin. There is some hope this gets solved by the states themselves. Pelosi's HR-1 already has a remedy in the bill but won't get passed this session. Dems should make it a campaign issue - draining the swamp.
The states can't fix it.
It is a tragedy of the commons problem.

It would require a federal solution, and then we run into the problem of whether a federal answer would be Constitutional.
It may require a Constitutional Amendment.
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seacoaster wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:16 am Really short answer for the Census case. The majority of the Court holds that there can be a citizenship inquiry. They just sent it back to the lower court so the "Secretary" -- the late Wilbur Ross -- can fix up a better reason.

This case does not deal with the Equal Protection challenge now lodged in the Maryland federal district court, I think.
Question for those better informed on this:

It appears that the problem was that the reason given was not the truth, not that the reason wasn't reasonable or plausible. So, if Ross comes back with the truth as the reason, does it get through?

Or does that invoke the Equal Protection clause.
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Brett Kavanaugh is exactly who we thought he was

"...the Supreme Court’s decision upholding Trump’s Muslim ban, as well as the decision holding that a Muslim inmate could not have spiritual counsel during his final moments, raise serious questions about the court’s commitment to equal treatment of people of all faiths. Also, try to square those decisions with Burwell v. Hobby Lobby, which held that a business owned by conservative Christians may deny certain forms of health coverage to their employees if the owners object to that coverage on religious grounds.

If the Supreme Court does take a profoundly illiberal turn, Kavanaugh’s short record on that court suggests that he’ll enthusiastically join in. There are liberals who believe that courts should be more skeptical of agency power, and there are liberals who believe that doctrines like Auer are appropriate. But there is no theory consistent with the rule of law which says that courts must treat federal agencies with skepticism except when those agencies lie in order to benefit the Republican party.

Department of Commerce v. New York was Brett’s chance to show that he could be “even-keeled, open-minded, independent and dedicated to the Constitution and the public good,” even when it meant going against the interests of his party. It was his chance to show that he’s not in his current job for partisan revenge, and that his outburst at his confirmation hearing really was just a self-contained flare of rage.

But Brett did not choose open-mindedness and independence in New York. He chose what goes around comes around."


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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:11 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:59 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:49 am
seacoaster wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:30 am SCOTUS' five member majority says that partisan gerrymandering presents a non-justiciable political question not suitable for the federal courts:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/1 ... 2_9ol1.pdf

So it appears that your legislature can dilute the value of your vote, by placing you in a district with a sufficient number of folks in the other party that you'll likely never elect your candidate without a tremendous landslide. And legislators can choose the voters they want for the districts they create. ANd if you have a problem with that, well, it is politics, and you need to elect your own guys and gals, or get Congress to do something about it. As my daughter often says in text messages to me:

"Hahahahahahahahahah."

Kagan's dissent -- for her, Sotomayor, Breyer and Ginsburg -- begins as follows:

"For the first time ever, this Court refuses to remedy a constitutional violation because it thinks the task beyond judicial capabilities.

And not just any constitutional violation. The partisan gerrymanders in these cases deprived citizens of the most fundamental of their constitutional rights: the rights to participate equally in the political process, to join with others to advance political beliefs, and to choose their
political representatives. In so doing, the partisan gerrymanders here debased and dishonored our democracy, turning upside-down the core American idea that all governmental power derives from the people. These gerrymanders enabled politicians to entrench themselves in office as against voters’ preferences. They promoted partisanship above respect for the popular will. They encouraged a politics of polarization and dysfunction. If left unchecked, gerrymanders like the ones here may irreparably damage our system of government.”

This is a lot to read, but my guess is there will be widespread speculation that the Chief -- who wrote the opinion of the Court -- is deeply concerned about the Court's ability to remedy this sort of legislative hanky-panky without appearing politically partisan itself, and that dodging the issue and presenting it to the political branches (and, therefore, the electorate). If so, time will tell whether he did anything to help the Court's institutional integrity.
On our way to becoming a banana republic......
Polling shows that neither republicans nor democrats are in favor of gerrymandering, by a wide margin. There is some hope this gets solved by the states themselves. Pelosi's HR-1 already has a remedy in the bill but won't get passed this session. Dems should make it a campaign issue - draining the swamp.
The states can't fix it.
It is a tragedy of the commons problem.

It would require a federal solution, and then we run into the problem of whether a federal answer would be Constitutional.
It may require a Constitutional Amendment.
The states could fix it by joint agreement with penalties on a set of rules to be used by an independent 3rd party - one or multiple. State enter into agreements with each other all the time. Not saying it is likely, at least not soon, just it could be done.
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jhu72 wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:47 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:11 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:59 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:49 am
seacoaster wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:30 am SCOTUS' five member majority says that partisan gerrymandering presents a non-justiciable political question not suitable for the federal courts:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/1 ... 2_9ol1.pdf

So it appears that your legislature can dilute the value of your vote, by placing you in a district with a sufficient number of folks in the other party that you'll likely never elect your candidate without a tremendous landslide. And legislators can choose the voters they want for the districts they create. ANd if you have a problem with that, well, it is politics, and you need to elect your own guys and gals, or get Congress to do something about it. As my daughter often says in text messages to me:

"Hahahahahahahahahah."

Kagan's dissent -- for her, Sotomayor, Breyer and Ginsburg -- begins as follows:

"For the first time ever, this Court refuses to remedy a constitutional violation because it thinks the task beyond judicial capabilities.

And not just any constitutional violation. The partisan gerrymanders in these cases deprived citizens of the most fundamental of their constitutional rights: the rights to participate equally in the political process, to join with others to advance political beliefs, and to choose their
political representatives. In so doing, the partisan gerrymanders here debased and dishonored our democracy, turning upside-down the core American idea that all governmental power derives from the people. These gerrymanders enabled politicians to entrench themselves in office as against voters’ preferences. They promoted partisanship above respect for the popular will. They encouraged a politics of polarization and dysfunction. If left unchecked, gerrymanders like the ones here may irreparably damage our system of government.”

This is a lot to read, but my guess is there will be widespread speculation that the Chief -- who wrote the opinion of the Court -- is deeply concerned about the Court's ability to remedy this sort of legislative hanky-panky without appearing politically partisan itself, and that dodging the issue and presenting it to the political branches (and, therefore, the electorate). If so, time will tell whether he did anything to help the Court's institutional integrity.
On our way to becoming a banana republic......
Polling shows that neither republicans nor democrats are in favor of gerrymandering, by a wide margin. There is some hope this gets solved by the states themselves. Pelosi's HR-1 already has a remedy in the bill but won't get passed this session. Dems should make it a campaign issue - draining the swamp.
The states can't fix it.
It is a tragedy of the commons problem.

It would require a federal solution, and then we run into the problem of whether a federal answer would be Constitutional.
It may require a Constitutional Amendment.
The states could fix it by joint agreement with penalties on a set of rules to be used by an independent 3rd party - one or multiple. State enter into agreements with each other all the time. Not saying it is likely, at least not soon, just it could be done.
Well sure, except that they are not incentivized to do so unless all sign-up, not just some.
Constitutional Amendment has the best shot, but it's a very long shot.
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DOJ confirms that the 2020 census will not have the citizenship question.
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Well sure, except that they are not incentivized to do so unless all sign-up, not just some.
We just fixed this in CO on a bipartisan basis. 71% of the voters in this swing state voted to cut out the egregious unAmerican partisan BS.

That makes 8 -- Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Michigan, Montana, and Washington. Some red, some blue, some purple. More will follow. PA is likely to fix this soon.

It will take a while, but eventually all but the most awful states will fix this.
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dislaxxic wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:28 pm Brett Kavanaugh is exactly who we thought he was.
Is he?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ruth-bader ... 019-07-02/
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Re: SCOTUS and the Judiciary

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thatsmell wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:17 pm
dislaxxic wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:28 pm Brett Kavanaugh is exactly who we thought he was.
Is he?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ruth-bader ... 019-07-02/
Yes. The veneer of who he hires has nothing -- not very little; nothing -- to do with the manner in which he adjudicates cases. He is exactly the person many or most of us thought he was.
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Re: SCOTUS and the Judiciary

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"Veneer of who he hires."

Gotcha. Makes sense. What does RBG know, anyway.

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Or this is another example of the narrative of the left not entirely fitting their target, like hoped.
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