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c'mon xxxx, this is a little much. top players have a hankering to try out and play for the u.s. team (and i presume canada). one reason is precisely because it's a really cool experience.
The big issue is the legal evolution of the IOC's stance on indigenous nationhood. While the idea is very appealing from a current social (and anti-colonial) perspective to recognize the enormous contributions of Native communities, their sports and their sense of tribal identity, it's very tricky structural and socio-political can of worms to grant native populations their own IOC nationhood, as (1) those indigenous athletes are already citizens of existing IOC-recognized nations, and (2) the 1996 Olympic Charter change ruled that NOC recognition can "only be granted after recognition as an independent state by the international community."
I know that my son had a terrific time coaching the New Zealand team back in 2018 for the World Games in Israel!faircornell wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:41 pm The World Championships are an event and a coming together as a global lacrosse community. Players meet players from difference countries. Young players get to interact and see their heroes face-to-face. Older guys meet up and catch up. Coaches and old friends get caught up. Each team knows their craft well.
Aside from the "Old Timers" there are new comers who want to be part of the action. Sometimes this involves a lot of question answering and the "re-creating" to find the "truth" by young questioners.. seeing a young fan walk away with an an auograph and a smile is always something. Hearing dales of bygone day interesting. Clubs are not highly resource and learning about fund raising is always interesting. Also, since lacrosse history is orally passed on.
Finally and not least, this gives a estimate of where you are in life. Are you player, coach, administrator? Every lacrosse player has a talent to give of their talents work that will help generations to come.
Waseda University in Japan is pretty darn good, my son played against them in 2018...still has a jersey when they swapped after the games. You could see the growth in the sport. Their offense was very schematic, with off ball flow still developmental. They have come a long way in 6 years.
So, a forum member who was banned for six months is passing judgment on me?JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:55 pmSomeone seems to think this site is twitter.wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 9:50 pmno one has asked you to.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:36 pm Watched some of the Korea-Ireland game, which Ireland won 14-2. Good effort by both teams, but …
… not sure I would pay to see these games.
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Puerto Rico is also pretty good … 3-0. Big test against Israel tomorrow. Melendez and Aviles making important contributions.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 8:54 pmWaseda University in Japan is pretty darn good, my son played against them in 2018...still has a jersey when they swapped after the games. You could see the growth in the sport. Their offense was very schematic, with off ball flow still developmental. They have come a long way in 6 years.
they distract me so much and i shouldn't let them. haudenosaunee did a great job making it a game. if they shot better early, who knows? usa team doesn't look like the favorite without baptiste and ierlan.
Al quite true but what is also true of the IOC is that they have no problems bending the rules of there is $$$$ to be made. They have already given the Haudenosaunee a potential path to IOC membership (for a price, of course).Puck Swami wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:16 pmThe big issue is the legal evolution of the IOC's stance on indigenous nationhood. While the idea is very appealing from a current social (and anti-colonial) perspective to recognize the enormous contributions of Native communities, their sports and their sense of tribal identity, it's very tricky structural and socio-political can of worms to grant native populations their own IOC nationhood, as (1) those indigenous athletes are already citizens of existing IOC-recognized nations, and (2) the 1996 Olympic Charter change ruled that NOC recognition can "only be granted after recognition as an independent state by the international community."
If you start granting international sovereignty to one tribe of people who are not a recognized international state, the aboriginal peoples in all countries may wish to soon play under their own indigenous flags, rather than their national flags. There are about 400-500 million people in the world who are broadly considered indigenous people depending on who does the counting, with about 70% of them living in Asia and Australasia, including:
-Ainu people of Japan
-Assyrians of the Middle East (Aramaic speaking Christians)
-The Kazakhs, Mongols, Tajik, Tibetans, Ugyur, and Eurasian Nomads of Kazakhstan, eastern Russia, and China
-The Miao and Hmong of southern China, Laos and Thailand
-The Shan and Karen peoples of Burma /Myanmar
-The Chakma of Pakistan
-The Kurds of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey and parts of the former Soviet Union
-Maori of New Zealand
- Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders of Australia
Here in our own hemisphere, there are several large groups of indigenous people:
-Many different Native American/First Nations/Metis tribes in USA and Canada
-Inuit and Aleutians of Canada and circumpolar Europe
-Mayans of Guatemala and Mexico
-Aymaras of Bolivia and other indigenous tribes of South America
In Africa, you also have a number of large indigenous groups, including:
-Kung San of the Kalahari Desert (Botswana, Angola,Namibia)
-Berbers of Morocco
-Hadzabe People of Tanzania
-Mbuti (Pygmies) of Zaire
-Maasai in East Africa
-Bantu and other ethnic minorities in Somalia
-Ogoni in Nigeria
-Tuareg people of Algeria, Libya, Mali, Niger and Burkina Faso
Sahrawi of the Western Sahara
In Europe, you have the Saami people of Northern Scandinavia.
Do athletes from all these groups now suddenly get to choose to compete for their tribe instead of their normal nation of citizenship? And, if you start granting IOC nationhood status to indigenous groups, then do we then have to grant IOC nation status to other linguistic or ethnic status (such as a Basque Olympic Team with players from the Basque regions of Spain and France and its Basque diaspora elsewhere? All of a sudden, the whole structure of the IOC could be splintered into sub-identity chaos that could de-stabilize the whole Olympic movement...
While the IOC is global organization in name, it has a hard enough time managing the existing 200 or so National Olympic Committees (NOCs), the Organizing Committees who stage the games (OCOGs) Sport Federations and Sponsors under the IOC family umbrella.
Finally, let's face it, Nationalism is the primary (if unmentioned) financial fuel behind the Olympic Movement...
