Not even close by win %. He’s behind at least two guys in D1 Hobart history. Datillo and Pedicine were better as great as Shea has been.Laxbuck wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2024 8:58 amReasons to compare the 2 are the common opponents and the success at facing off. Shea is the all-time leader in FO wins at Hobart IIRC. The discussion goes back to what are the expectations for St. Joe’s in 2025. With similar opponents and FO success Hobart was the logical comp.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 9:54 pmLike Hobart fans aren’t focused on st joes 99% of the time, I would suggest that it should be even doubly so that Wray would be wasting his time focusing on Hobart these days. So my point is what’s that got to do with the price of tea in China? Setting aside for a minute that I’ve made my thoughts on our HC clear, are you saying that maybe an imitation should change or Disregard its typical standards to win a couple of A10 lacrosse titles and quick outs? None ofLaxbuck wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 9:14 pmI don’t look at it as a bitchfest. I made the point that Taylor Wray is a huge factor in St. Joe’s success. Despite losing the 3 most prolific scorers in program history and other very productive players that you detailed, they will continue to have success. You questioned that due to prior failures in NEC tournament games. That’s fair. It’s also fair to point out the delta btw Hobart and SJU over the last 4 years as they have a ton of common opponents.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 4:54 pmWhat? Ok. Let’s go look at records in and out or conference for 2014-2019 and what happened to st joes in the NEC tourney. I don’t know why you turned this into bitchfest.Laxbuck wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 9:14 amLast 4 years when you combine NEC/A-10, including conference tourney games, Hobart record is 13-13. St Joe’s is 28-2. All common opponents. Yes Zach Cole tilted the field but he wasn’t there this year and I don’t think he had a big edge over Adam Shea. So Hobart going 0-5 v SJU the last 4 years was about a lot more than FOs. With all the academic advantages, clearly the Hobart guys are much smarter than the Hawks, the tradition (there was none at SJU when T Wray arrived) the big money donors, the beautiful Hobart campus how does one explain the delta btw Hobart and St Joe’s?Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 1:46 pmYeah but i expect you'll be saying that no mattter what until Zach has kids playing at St Joes even if it isn't true.Laxbuck wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 1:43 pmI wouldn’t bet on a big dropoff. A lot back on defense including the DPOY in A-10. Offense will retool.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 4:03 pmThey loaded up for the last two years. You hope to bank and build on the wins, this is the next phase for them to see. But Tygh was a plug for Cole who was helpful meaning Wray didn't have solution for the likely 10-15% drop off in FO wins. By year end Tygh was a close enough substitute for Cole. But they've got goalie set for a while.10stone5 wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 10:59 pm Hawks, some serious turnover next year, Wray has got his work cut out for him,
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2024 Roster
# Player Pos Yr Hometown G A P
8 Levi Anderson M Sr Calgary, AB 33 24 57
4 Matt Bohmer A Sr Charlotte, NC 37 13 50
62 Carter Page A Sr Peterborough, ON 43 6 49
63 Toron Eccleston A Sr Calgary, AB 24 9 33
52 Colin Reich M Sr Charleston, SC 11 8 19
7 Gavin Tygh FO Sr Malvern, PA 1 2 3
15 Gavin Harmon A Sr Frisco, TX 2 1 3
20 William King A Sr Columbia, SC 2 1 3
58 Liam Ferris M Sr Toronto, ON 2 1 3
45 Patrick Clemens D Sr Springfield, PA 0 2 2
51 Alex Keener LSM Sr Bethpage, NY 2 0 2
3 Richie LaCalandra A Sr Port Jefferson Station, NY 0 0 0
50 Gunnar Bogorowski M Sr Glenside, PA 0 0 0
Most importantly Taylor Wray is back. Winner
I think Wray is a good coach but he really was shaky for years feeding on incredibly weak schedules and then blowing it YOY in conference playoffs. Lot of chokes first 5-7yrs for him. The "winner" label really is more the last 3-4yrs. And in fairness conference awards go to names or teams with conference success. You wont convince me otherwise that I belive Chris Patterson definitely shoulve been ROY but the team sucked donkey balls this year.
2014: 11-4 sos must’ve been 55 or lower but beat a very weak Hobart team by 7 end of season then combine turn around and lose to then in Rd 1 NEC tourney at home
2015: 11-6 better schedule lose in NEC final 10-6 to Bryant who they beat at Bryant in the reg season.
2016: 12-4, beat Hobart bad in reg season only to get waxed in finals by them.
2017: 5-9 no conf toruney
2018: 11-4 yet another regular season underrated in conference and lose in finals to RoMo
2019: 7-7 no don’t tourney
All that time they front ran and feasted when it didn’t matter it literally took until 2022 for them to show up when it mattered. Look above here and then you can entering me explains why what I said wasn’t true.
You think I’m mad or upset because I wasn’t aware Hobart’s been bad for too long and you’re slapping me in the face with this? Good assumption.
It addressed the point That it’s been a nice run but they didn’t do it when they weren’t getting 55%+ at FO. As well as generally well above average goalie play. If one or both of those slips does he bank the wins and gains achieved and build off it or slide back. I don’t know. You’re saying Wray will 100% do it and I’m saying ok and maybe he’s over the hump forever but theres a decent bit of history of that not being the case still so let’s see. How the records of honest and st Joes has anything to do with that I just cannot see…
Or the programs has a standard of staying a for Hobart as success then I will bet heavy on a slide backwards at some point. You’re talking about a program where kids are running for the hills including multiple FR starters and a rising senior quasi starter. Hey guess what, my record in chess against my children these last few years is incredible!
And I would suggest that’s some extreme equivocating comparing our not best ever guy and Cole who was in the mid 60s for multiple years. Not to mention sheas stats are sort of empty if you ask any Hobart fan because our wings have filed him for years and so he’s won many FOs by himself and then gets doubled and coughs the ball up unfortunately.
It’s really a silly comparison. And that’s one variable plus common opponents in conference not OOC leaves a whole lot of differences in between.
It doesn’t make sense and it wasn’t relevant to what I was saying. Did I ever say FO in isolation? No. I also referenced a heavy graduating class on top of that. You’re ignoring that completely and this silly focus is just nonsensical.
