Teams you won’t recognize in 2025

[1766]

Most every team not in the Ivy loses a lot in the big 3 conferences, save perhaps Unc.

Cuse and UNC bring back by far the most in the ACC. Syracuse loses Stevens (massive loss), Olexxo, Wright the back up LSM and Mark (another big loss) and Christian Mule. They also are likely to lose Kohn who appears to have another year of eligibility but is likely to move on. Everyone else is back or at least has the ability to be back including the entire close unit, and 5 of the top 6 offensively.

Not sure how accurate it is but ESPN had a some production data during a segment. They made it sound like Cuse was losing a ton.

[1766]

I, for one, am looking forward to some change in the sport. It feels like we've been living in the same era forever. I'm done with "which top 5 program can bring in the best grad students as transfers" every year. I'm excited to see some new faces emerge and hopefully the level of parity in the sport continues to increase (this year's completely chalk bracket and ND's seeming dominance notwithstanding, it's felt more open this year than it has recently).

Very happy for the Covid era to finally pass through the python.

So true. How would you like to have been a 2020, 2021 or 2022 Rutgers recruit? Every year they brought in 10-12 grad transfers. How many of those recruits actually got to play?they really stared recruiting well in 2022 with five four star recruits. In 2024 they got zero four stars. Kids saw what that staff was doing each year. Look at the 2020 and 2021 classes. Other than Knobloch and Kulis most never even play and many transferred. They lose almost every impact player from their 2024 7-7 roster. My prediction is that they won’t win 5 games next year and will be bad for years. Short term gain v long term loss.

Rutgers has had very few transfers out comparatively. I can think of one who the staff considered even remotely a loss. Not sure where you are getting that information from. Syracuse has a ton of transfers playing. UNC, Duke. Hopkins. The list goes on. Who who are they taking time from? What's the allowable acceptable number a program can take without someone whining? There appears to be one.

Rutgers had two of the top 3 freshmen in the conference including the FOTY. They are doing something right.

[JeremyCuse]

Most every team not in the Ivy loses a lot in the big 3 conferences, save perhaps Unc.

Cuse and UNC bring back by far the most in the ACC. Syracuse loses Stevens (massive loss), Olexxo, Wright the back up LSM and Mark (another big loss) and Christian Mule. They also are likely to lose Kohn who appears to have another year of eligibility but is likely to move on. Everyone else is back or at least has the ability to be back including the entire close unit, and 5 of the top 6 offensively.

Not sure how accurate it is but ESPN had a some production data during a segment. They made it sound like Cuse was losing a ton.

I missed that segment but if they did they were way off. Cuse probably returns the most out of any team though its close with UNC. They return 5 out of the starting six offensively, all three close defenders, all of the SSDM's save for Jake Titus who only plays on the man down unit and all of the FOGO unit save for Kohn who is unlikely to use his last year of eligibility. SU does lose all three LSM's who have seen time this year, that is the one area of real concern though they do have Sageder who was the #2 last year who has played on the man down unit this year.

[1766]

Most every team not in the Ivy loses a lot in the big 3 conferences, save perhaps Unc.

Cuse and UNC bring back by far the most in the ACC. Syracuse loses Stevens (massive loss), Olexxo, Wright the back up LSM and Mark (another big loss) and Christian Mule. They also are likely to lose Kohn who appears to have another year of eligibility but is likely to move on. Everyone else is back or at least has the ability to be back including the entire close unit, and 5 of the top 6 offensively.

Not sure how accurate it is but ESPN had a some production data during a segment. They made it sound like Cuse was losing a ton.

I missed that segment but if they did they were way off. Cuse probably returns the most out of any team though its close with UNC. They return 5 out of the starting six offensively, all three close defenders, all of the SSDM's save for Jake Titus who only plays on the man down unit and all of the FOGO unit save for Kohn who is unlikely to use his last year of eligibility. SU does lose all three LSM's who have seen time this year, that is the one area of real concern though they do have Sageder who was the #2 last year who has played on the man down unit this year.

I was only half paying attention but the percentage they had (not sure how they got there) of production leaving was eye popping.

[JeremyCuse]

Most every team not in the Ivy loses a lot in the big 3 conferences, save perhaps Unc.

Cuse and UNC bring back by far the most in the ACC. Syracuse loses Stevens (massive loss), Olexxo, Wright the back up LSM and Mark (another big loss) and Christian Mule. They also are likely to lose Kohn who appears to have another year of eligibility but is likely to move on. Everyone else is back or at least has the ability to be back including the entire close unit, and 5 of the top 6 offensively.

Not sure how accurate it is but ESPN had a some production data during a segment. They made it sound like Cuse was losing a ton.

I missed that segment but if they did they were way off. Cuse probably returns the most out of any team though its close with UNC. They return 5 out of the starting six offensively, all three close defenders, all of the SSDM's save for Jake Titus who only plays on the man down unit and all of the FOGO unit save for Kohn who is unlikely to use his last year of eligibility. SU does lose all three LSM's who have seen time this year, that is the one area of real concern though they do have Sageder who was the #2 last year who has played on the man down unit this year.

I was only half paying attention but the percentage they had (not sure how they got there) of production leaving was eye popping.

I'll keep an eye out as I probably will re-watch the game, curious what they had.

[JeremyCuse]

I, for one, am looking forward to some change in the sport. It feels like we've been living in the same era forever. I'm done with "which top 5 program can bring in the best grad students as transfers" every year. I'm excited to see some new faces emerge and hopefully the level of parity in the sport continues to increase (this year's completely chalk bracket and ND's seeming dominance notwithstanding, it's felt more open this year than it has recently).

Very happy for the Covid era to finally pass through the python.

So true. How would you like to have been a 2020, 2021 or 2022 Rutgers recruit? Every year they brought in 10-12 grad transfers. How many of those recruits actually got to play?they really stared recruiting well in 2022 with five four star recruits. In 2024 they got zero four stars. Kids saw what that staff was doing each year. Look at the 2020 and 2021 classes. Other than Knobloch and Kulis most never even play and many transferred. They lose almost every impact player from their 2024 7-7 roster. My prediction is that they won’t win 5 games next year and will be bad for years. Short term gain v long term loss.

Rutgers had to bring the transfers they did because a decent amount of the recruits they brought in traditionally struggled to make an impact and Rutgers has struggled to recruit 4 and 5 stars from NJ immensely. Brecht's issue wasn't that he brought in so many transfers it's that his HS recruits for the most part haven't worked out and he wasn't able to get a bump in recruiting despite the final four appearance. They had a couple good frosh this year but they need more high end talent, next few years could be a struggle.

[coda]

Most every team not in the Ivy loses a lot in the big 3 conferences, save perhaps Unc.

Cuse and UNC bring back by far the most in the ACC. Syracuse loses Stevens (massive loss), Olexxo, Wright the back up LSM and Mark (another big loss) and Christian Mule. They also are likely to lose Kohn who appears to have another year of eligibility but is likely to move on. Everyone else is back or at least has the ability to be back including the entire close unit, and 5 of the top 6 offensively.

Not sure how accurate it is but ESPN had a some production data during a segment. They made it sound like Cuse was losing a ton.

I missed that segment but if they did they were way off. Cuse probably returns the most out of any team though its close with UNC. They return 5 out of the starting six offensively, all three close defenders, all of the SSDM's save for Jake Titus who only plays on the man down unit and all of the FOGO unit save for Kohn who is unlikely to use his last year of eligibility. SU does lose all three LSM's who have seen time this year, that is the one area of real concern though they do have Sageder who was the #2 last year who has played on the man down unit this year.

I was only half paying attention but the percentage they had (not sure how they got there) of production leaving was eye popping.

I'll keep an eye out as I probably will re-watch the game, curious what they had.

Mule, English, and Stevens on Offense come to mind. Cuse runs a decent group of middies, but Stevens and English leaving will hurt. Obviously have good group of middies with RHoa, Finn, and Leo returning, but will they be able to to go 5-6 deep? Will one of them move down to attack?
Olexo, KOhn, and Mark round out the list.

[JeremyCuse]

Most every team not in the Ivy loses a lot in the big 3 conferences, save perhaps Unc.

Cuse and UNC bring back by far the most in the ACC. Syracuse loses Stevens (massive loss), Olexxo, Wright the back up LSM and Mark (another big loss) and Christian Mule. They also are likely to lose Kohn who appears to have another year of eligibility but is likely to move on. Everyone else is back or at least has the ability to be back including the entire close unit, and 5 of the top 6 offensively.

Not sure how accurate it is but ESPN had a some production data during a segment. They made it sound like Cuse was losing a ton.

I missed that segment but if they did they were way off. Cuse probably returns the most out of any team though its close with UNC. They return 5 out of the starting six offensively, all three close defenders, all of the SSDM's save for Jake Titus who only plays on the man down unit and all of the FOGO unit save for Kohn who is unlikely to use his last year of eligibility. SU does lose all three LSM's who have seen time this year, that is the one area of real concern though they do have Sageder who was the #2 last year who has played on the man down unit this year.

I was only half paying attention but the percentage they had (not sure how they got there) of production leaving was eye popping.

I'll keep an eye out as I probably will re-watch the game, curious what they had.

Mule, English, and Stevens on Offense come to mind. Cuse runs a decent group of middies, but Stevens and English leaving will hurt. Obviously have good group of middies with RHoa, Finn, and Leo returning, but will they be able to to go 5-6 deep? Will one of them move down to attack?
Olexo, KOhn, and Mark round out the list.

English has another year, he will be back.

Cuse has two young middies who saw some time in McCarthy and Kellogg (howitzer of a shot) I think both will push for time. Leo may move full time to attack but they also have Trey Deere and bring in 5 star Peyton Anderson who will likely get on the 2nd mid line at least and perhaps the starting attack if they keep Leo at midfield.

[coda]

Most every team not in the Ivy loses a lot in the big 3 conferences, save perhaps Unc.

Cuse and UNC bring back by far the most in the ACC. Syracuse loses Stevens (massive loss), Olexxo, Wright the back up LSM and Mark (another big loss) and Christian Mule. They also are likely to lose Kohn who appears to have another year of eligibility but is likely to move on. Everyone else is back or at least has the ability to be back including the entire close unit, and 5 of the top 6 offensively.

Not sure how accurate it is but ESPN had a some production data during a segment. They made it sound like Cuse was losing a ton.

I missed that segment but if they did they were way off. Cuse probably returns the most out of any team though its close with UNC. They return 5 out of the starting six offensively, all three close defenders, all of the SSDM's save for Jake Titus who only plays on the man down unit and all of the FOGO unit save for Kohn who is unlikely to use his last year of eligibility. SU does lose all three LSM's who have seen time this year, that is the one area of real concern though they do have Sageder who was the #2 last year who has played on the man down unit this year.

I was only half paying attention but the percentage they had (not sure how they got there) of production leaving was eye popping.

I'll keep an eye out as I probably will re-watch the game, curious what they had.

Mule, English, and Stevens on Offense come to mind. Cuse runs a decent group of middies, but Stevens and English leaving will hurt. Obviously have good group of middies with RHoa, Finn, and Leo returning, but will they be able to to go 5-6 deep? Will one of them move down to attack?
Olexo, KOhn, and Mark round out the list.

English has another year, he will be back.

Cuse has two young middies who saw some time in McCarthy and Kellogg (howitzer of a shot) I think both will push for time. Leo may move full time to attack but they also have Trey Deere and bring in 5 star Peyton Anderson who will likely get on the 2nd mid line at least and perhaps the starting attack if they keep Leo at midfield.

Probably better off moving Leo to attack to get some dodging. Deere is a finisher. If Cuse offense has a weakness this year it is dodging from the attack. Cuse listed English as 5th year guy, didnt realize he had another year.

[1766]

I, for one, am looking forward to some change in the sport. It feels like we've been living in the same era forever. I'm done with "which top 5 program can bring in the best grad students as transfers" every year. I'm excited to see some new faces emerge and hopefully the level of parity in the sport continues to increase (this year's completely chalk bracket and ND's seeming dominance notwithstanding, it's felt more open this year than it has recently).

Very happy for the Covid era to finally pass through the python.

So true. How would you like to have been a 2020, 2021 or 2022 Rutgers recruit? Every year they brought in 10-12 grad transfers. How many of those recruits actually got to play?they really stared recruiting well in 2022 with five four star recruits. In 2024 they got zero four stars. Kids saw what that staff was doing each year. Look at the 2020 and 2021 classes. Other than Knobloch and Kulis most never even play and many transferred. They lose almost every impact player from their 2024 7-7 roster. My prediction is that they won’t win 5 games next year and will be bad for years. Short term gain v long term loss.

Rutgers had to bring the transfers they did because a decent amount of the recruits they brought in traditionally struggled to make an impact and Rutgers has struggled to recruit 4 and 5 stars from NJ immensely. Brecht's issue wasn't that he brought in so many transfers it's that his HS recruits for the most part haven't worked out and he wasn't able to get a bump in recruiting despite the final four appearance. They had a couple good frosh this year but they need more high end talent, next few years could be a struggle.

Any coach that could get guys like Bartolo, the Kirsts, and Ronan Jacoby but decided not to should be fired on the spot. They aren't meant to lead a D1 program.

[Formerhound]

I, for one, am looking forward to some change in the sport. It feels like we've been living in the same era forever. I'm done with "which top 5 program can bring in the best grad students as transfers" every year. I'm excited to see some new faces emerge and hopefully the level of parity in the sport continues to increase (this year's completely chalk bracket and ND's seeming dominance notwithstanding, it's felt more open this year than it has recently).

Very happy for the Covid era to finally pass through the python.

So true. How would you like to have been a 2020, 2021 or 2022 Rutgers recruit? Every year they brought in 10-12 grad transfers. How many of those recruits actually got to play?they really stared recruiting well in 2022 with five four star recruits. In 2024 they got zero four stars. Kids saw what that staff was doing each year. Look at the 2020 and 2021 classes. Other than Knobloch and Kulis most never even play and many transferred. They lose almost every impact player from their 2024 7-7 roster. My prediction is that they won’t win 5 games next year and will be bad for years. Short term gain v long term loss.

Rutgers has had very few transfers out comparatively. I can think of one who the staff considered even remotely a loss. Not sure where you are getting that information from. Syracuse has a ton of transfers playing. UNC, Duke. Hopkins. The list goes on. Who who are they taking time from? What's the allowable acceptable number a program can take without someone whining? There appears to be one.

Rutgers had two of the top 3 freshmen in the conference including the FOTY. They are doing something right.

2021 Class had 8 recruits. Five are still in program and two of five played 3 games per year or less their entire careers. They will be seniors next year. Not what a team trying to compete in Big10 would normally want.

[1766]

I, for one, am looking forward to some change in the sport. It feels like we've been living in the same era forever. I'm done with "which top 5 program can bring in the best grad students as transfers" every year. I'm excited to see some new faces emerge and hopefully the level of parity in the sport continues to increase (this year's completely chalk bracket and ND's seeming dominance notwithstanding, it's felt more open this year than it has recently).

Very happy for the Covid era to finally pass through the python.

So true. How would you like to have been a 2020, 2021 or 2022 Rutgers recruit? Every year they brought in 10-12 grad transfers. How many of those recruits actually got to play?they really stared recruiting well in 2022 with five four star recruits. In 2024 they got zero four stars. Kids saw what that staff was doing each year. Look at the 2020 and 2021 classes. Other than Knobloch and Kulis most never even play and many transferred. They lose almost every impact player from their 2024 7-7 roster. My prediction is that they won’t win 5 games next year and will be bad for years. Short term gain v long term loss.

Rutgers has had very few transfers out comparatively. I can think of one who the staff considered even remotely a loss. Not sure where you are getting that information from. Syracuse has a ton of transfers playing. UNC, Duke. Hopkins. The list goes on. Who who are they taking time from? What's the allowable acceptable number a program can take without someone whining? There appears to be one.

Rutgers had two of the top 3 freshmen in the conference including the FOTY. They are doing something right.

2021 Class had 8 recruits. Five are still in program and two of five played 3 games per year or less their entire careers. They will be seniors next year. Not what a team trying to compete in Big10 would normally want.

I agree with that, but dig deeper. One had a career ending injury and another had serious issues that shouldn't be in public. Even so, Brecht has gained far more in the portal than he's lost.

This is where we are in college sports. It's not as prolific as it is in basketball and football as it is in lacrosse but the portal is here to stay. Every year on some level will be very different or in some cases, vastly different. It's borderline free agency every year and there are a lot of voices in the ears of a lot of players.

Rutgers has been more active in the portal but they aren't doing anything any different than a lot of other schools. They were just first.

There is a lot of chatter about portal activity already. While the super seniors are a thing of the past after this year, the portal for underclassmen is going to be very active.

Sign of the times.

[rolldodge]

Hoyas have 16 seniors or grad students this year. Chances are most or all of them will be gone next year.

Hardest hit will be the rope unit - all seniors and grad students. Hess has a year of eligibility left but word is he wants to use it to play football.

On attack Haley will be gone. Carroll has a year of eligibility left and there is a chance he returns.

Midfield Bundy, Vardaro, and Llewyn will be gone.

At Faceoff, I think Ball technically has another year but don’t know if he’s going to use it.

On defense, they’ll lose Chairs. Perhaps Tominovich will red shirt this year and return?

Will be a very different team next year.

[JeremyCuse]

Hoyas have 16 seniors or grad students this year. Chances are most of all of them will be gone next year.

Hardest hit will be the rope unit - all seniors and grad students. Hess has a year of eligibility left but word is he wants to use it to play football.

On attack Haley will be gone. Carrol has a year of eligibility left and there is a chance he returns.

Midfield Bundy, Vardaro, and Llewyn will be gone.

On defense, they’ll lose Chairs. Perhaps Tominovich will red shirt this year and return?

Will be a very different t team next year.

Man combined with last year thats some turnover, yikes.

[JeremyCuse]

Most every team not in the Ivy loses a lot in the big 3 conferences, save perhaps Unc.

Cuse and UNC bring back by far the most in the ACC. Syracuse loses Stevens (massive loss), Olexxo, Wright the back up LSM and Mark (another big loss) and Christian Mule. They also are likely to lose Kohn who appears to have another year of eligibility but is likely to move on. Everyone else is back or at least has the ability to be back including the entire close unit, and 5 of the top 6 offensively.

Not sure how accurate it is but ESPN had a some production data during a segment. They made it sound like Cuse was losing a ton.

I missed that segment but if they did they were way off. Cuse probably returns the most out of any team though its close with UNC. They return 5 out of the starting six offensively, all three close defenders, all of the SSDM's save for Jake Titus who only plays on the man down unit and all of the FOGO unit save for Kohn who is unlikely to use his last year of eligibility. SU does lose all three LSM's who have seen time this year, that is the one area of real concern though they do have Sageder who was the #2 last year who has played on the man down unit this year.

I was only half paying attention but the percentage they had (not sure how they got there) of production leaving was eye popping.

I'll keep an eye out as I probably will re-watch the game, curious what they had.

Mule, English, and Stevens on Offense come to mind. Cuse runs a decent group of middies, but Stevens and English leaving will hurt. Obviously have good group of middies with RHoa, Finn, and Leo returning, but will they be able to to go 5-6 deep? Will one of them move down to attack?
Olexo, KOhn, and Mark round out the list.

English has another year, he will be back.

Cuse has two young middies who saw some time in McCarthy and Kellogg (howitzer of a shot) I think both will push for time. Leo may move full time to attack but they also have Trey Deere and bring in 5 star Peyton Anderson who will likely get on the 2nd mid line at least and perhaps the starting attack if they keep Leo at midfield.

Probably better off moving Leo to attack to get some dodging. Deere is a finisher. If Cuse offense has a weakness this year it is dodging from the attack. Cuse listed English as 5th year guy, didnt realize he had another year.

Ya SU doesn't always have the eligibility correct on the website unfortunately. He and Kohn actually both have another year but Kohn isn't expected to use it. SU has been hesitant to move Leo full time to attack for reasons I can't really understand. Next year a full time move would make sense but I know they really like Anderson and Deere as well. Anderson can run at mid no problem but Deer's another story. I do agree that dodging from the attack unit is Cleary the achilles heal of the offense, they need an upper level dodger to pair with Spallina as Joey is not a great dodger against the top end poles.

[51percentcorn]

Many many teams are in the same boat but I believe Penn State sees alot of good players packing up the station wagons - Malone/Morin/Haus/Posey/Sweeney/Costin

[HopFan16]

So many teams lose so much that I don't think anyone really knows how things are going to shake out. It will come down to who has stockpiled the most underclass talent, even if some of that talent hasn't proven itself on the field yet. A lot of the teams that lose a lot happen to be the same teams that are best equipped to mitigate those losses with existing or incoming talent. So there won't necessarily be a dropoff for those teams, relative to others that technically lose less but have a harder time replacing what they lose.

This was a longwinded way of saying I think the vast majority of this year's quarterfinalists are all likely to be top 10 teams again, and you can probably throw an Ivy or two into the mix. UNC...who knows. Lots of talent but something isn't right there.

[viho]

UVA’s Cormier…first player to ever go from NCAA directly to the masters division at lake placid.

[Hooz123]

Despite losing Shelly and Cormier, UVa is going to surprise folks. They will be right there in the title mix again.

-Nunes is back (for better or worse). Ghobriel is back at FOGO.

-On defense, Castner is gone but Wayer, Schroter, and everyone else returns. Schroter is a future AA. Chizmar won't miss a step taking Yagar's spot. I think we'll be better defensively next year.

-Shelly and Cormier will hurt obviously, but there's a ton of talent at Attack. UVa has four top-10 recruits in Millon, Sunderland, Duenkel, and Kyle Colsey at Attack next year. And I expect Ryan Colsey to take a big leap next year...the kid looks smooth out there...his game complements Millon nicely. Talent is top-level, but not a lot of experience.

Biggest question to me the depth at midfield behind Tirenzi and Schutz, and the general youth movement on offense...(and please, Truitt, hit the weights my guy!) I expect UVa to take a hit or two early, but they'll be fine. Could use another FOGO transfer and some middy depth.

[LaxPundit07]

Notre Dame loses a bunch:

Pat Kavanaugh, Eric Dobson, Liam Entemann, Reilly Gray, Chris Conlin, Devon McLane, Marco Napolitano, Carter Parlette, Ross Burgmaster.

Still think they will be pretty good next year, but that's a lot.

Potential for Faison as well if he has a strong fall and decides to focus on football.

Think they have some strong returning pieces as well and a big incoming class. Would expect a drop off but nothing too drastic.

Faison already ended the fall last year as the top slot receiver and was the Sun Bowl MVP. Don't see why a strong fall from him would make him give up his first line midfield spot, especially considering he committed to ND as a lacrosse player. Marcus Freeman has already said he loves that he plays on the lacrosse team and sees no issue with it. So I don't think that would happen unless he gets a major injury this fall.

There's a ton to replace for sure, but with the development of Chris Kavanagh and Jake Taylor staying another year I don't see a huge drop off offensively. Certainly won't be as deadly, especially while man-up, but should still be near the top on that side of the field. The defense will be where the biggest concern will be heading into 2025.

If he becomes a legit NFL prospect, than he will have to focus on football. The money differential is just too much. He is at least a season away from making that call.

Exactly. If he pops on the football field this fall, and his draft profile grows, he can’t jeopardize that for lacrosse. As much as I hate to say it.