Voting

[MDlaxfan76]

Who is dumb enough to keep falling for this bs?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... legal-imm/


Republicans are already blaming a potential loss in 2024 on illegal voters. On Wednesday, Speaker Johnson and other Trump Republicans held a press conference to promote their new bill to make it illegal for people who are not U.S. citizens to vote in federal elections.

This is a political stunt: It is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections, and there is no evidence that this is happening. In 2017, Trump created a commission to root out the illegal voting he claimed had affected the 2016 election; less than a year later, he disbanded it when it could find no evidence of his claims. Johnson admitted there was no evidence of voting by undocumented immigrants when he told reporters: "We all know, intuitively, that a lot of illegals are voting in federal elections. But it's not been something that is easily provable. We don't have that number."

If you visit the inferno site once known as Twitter, you can see numerous GOP Senators and Congressmen/-women and their flacks talking about this, filling their readers and followers with anger and angst about "illegals voting for Democrat Joe Biden." Their communication strategy is a three-letter word: L-I-E.

This is just a consequence of replacement theory running amok among the idiot class.

They don't think they'll pay a price for these games, catering to clickbait hate, and America's worst qualities, instead of our best. The party of crew cuts and quiet, reasonable governance is SO freaking gone.

All the actual, real conservative Republicans I know are beyond livid at where the party is. They know doggone well that National votes like mine, and other reasonable moderates are there for the taking if they shut up and govern according to their principles, instead of catering to the extreme in their midst.

correct

youth, I'd agree that Dems complain about voter suppression issues and foreign interference issues, and other 'dirty tricks', but I can't recall any prominent Dems or mainstream or even lefty media claiming rampant voter fraud by R's.

And that's despite a surprising (to me) imbalance recently of the few actual crimes caught being perpetrated more by R's than D's. But certainly not some scourge of illegal voting.

Because for all their flaws, Dems are rarely on TeamTInFoil. They know doggone well that those R's pulling shenanigans are few and far between....and that those that are caught, are punished.

yes, though there's sometimes a mite bit of over statement of impact of voter suppression....

Agreed that they can be over the top at times. But at least voter suppression has been a very real thing in American history. They're not making stuff up whole cloth.

At least now, for the most part anyway, it's not about racism. It's about winning. Or at least I hope that's what it is.

Perhaps winning "for the most part anyway", but born from a long history of racism. Read about "The Wilmington Notch", with a long history of having the highest density of black residents in New Hanover County (essentially the City of Wilmington), and once again the only election precincts moved from purple New Hanover County on the east side of the Cape Fear River to deep red Brunswick County on the west side of the river in the state's most recent gerrymandering, thereby also making New Hanover County more probable to go red in state legislative elections.

https://www.theassemblync.com/newslette ... ilmington/

I believe it is both sides nibbling on the edges and fringe in order leave an opening, just depends on your POV and how you are playing the game to beat the other guy.....Think of like this, its kind of like what a spike protein does to gain access and fuse to a cell.

Dems tryin to capture more EC votes. https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-con ... view=close

Ask yourself, why are migrants being sent to particular places that would add more representatives in their favor? Dems are playing the long look and this is slicker than two eels in a bucket.

What's your hypothesis here?

That migrants seeking safety and work go where Dems tell them to go?
Instead of where the safety and work actually are?

And Dems purposely direct them away from where safety and work are and instead send them to places that already vote Dem but need more total population because that will shift the Electoral College representation?

The "long game" of what, The Great Replacement? Isn't that the really long game? White Christians ( esp conservative, White Christians who are Republicans) no longer in the majority?

SO...Republicans NEED to claim these migrants are illegally voting AND they NEED to make voting more difficult for low income voters in dense neighborhoods versus higher income, mobile suburbanites AND they NEED to make sure gerrymandering is constitutionally protected???

Do I have that right...or close?

[a fan]

I believe it is both sides nibbling on the edges and fringe in order leave an opening, just depends on your POV and how you are playing the game to beat the other guy.....Think of like this, its kind of like what a spike protein does to gain access and fuse to a cell.

You got it half right. Yes, both sides are trying to win. You got that part right.

But the way they're trying to win? One is right, and the other is wrong. Dems are trying to get more Americans to vote. R's are trying to get fewer.

Do I really have to point out which path is more moral? No, I don't. And now, of course, that R's have figured out that they're gonna get their **ses kick if they don't encourage absentee voting? They're now on the moral side, too. I don't care WHY either side does it. Voting should be as easy as possible. Doubly so for the poor & middle working class with two jobs your team pretends that they champion.

Our democracy functions best if EVERYONE votes.

Ask yourself, why are migrants being sent to particular places that would add more representatives in their favor? Dems are playing the long look and this is slicker than two eels in a bucket.

Simple answer: because you guys can't get out of bed in the morning, without inventing yet another conspiracy theory.


You're telling me that the hardest working humans on Earth......74% of which are Christian....aren't tailor-made for your party? If they aren't. They're not the problem. How your party behaves is the problem.

[NattyBohChamps04]

Ask yourself, why are migrants being sent to particular places that would add more representatives in their favor? Dems are playing the long look and this is slicker than two eels in a bucket.

Simple answer: because you guys can't get out of bed in the morning, without inventing yet another conspiracy theory.


You're telling me that the hardest working humans on Earth......74% of which are Christian....aren't tailor-made for your party? If they aren't. They're not the problem. How your party behaves is the problem.

If Dems were actually doing this, then they're insanely incompetent at it. You only need tens of thousands to a couple hundred thousand voters to change the Senate elections in Idaho, ND, SD, Wyoming, Maine and maybe another couple of states. That's like 5 days of border crossings according to C&S & OS.

That's low hanging election fruit that's immune to gerrymandering that would have massive national impact.

[youthathletics]

Who is dumb enough to keep falling for this bs?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... legal-imm/


Republicans are already blaming a potential loss in 2024 on illegal voters. On Wednesday, Speaker Johnson and other Trump Republicans held a press conference to promote their new bill to make it illegal for people who are not U.S. citizens to vote in federal elections.

This is a political stunt: It is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections, and there is no evidence that this is happening. In 2017, Trump created a commission to root out the illegal voting he claimed had affected the 2016 election; less than a year later, he disbanded it when it could find no evidence of his claims. Johnson admitted there was no evidence of voting by undocumented immigrants when he told reporters: "We all know, intuitively, that a lot of illegals are voting in federal elections. But it's not been something that is easily provable. We don't have that number."

If you visit the inferno site once known as Twitter, you can see numerous GOP Senators and Congressmen/-women and their flacks talking about this, filling their readers and followers with anger and angst about "illegals voting for Democrat Joe Biden." Their communication strategy is a three-letter word: L-I-E.

This is just a consequence of replacement theory running amok among the idiot class.

They don't think they'll pay a price for these games, catering to clickbait hate, and America's worst qualities, instead of our best. The party of crew cuts and quiet, reasonable governance is SO freaking gone.

All the actual, real conservative Republicans I know are beyond livid at where the party is. They know doggone well that National votes like mine, and other reasonable moderates are there for the taking if they shut up and govern according to their principles, instead of catering to the extreme in their midst.

correct

youth, I'd agree that Dems complain about voter suppression issues and foreign interference issues, and other 'dirty tricks', but I can't recall any prominent Dems or mainstream or even lefty media claiming rampant voter fraud by R's.

And that's despite a surprising (to me) imbalance recently of the few actual crimes caught being perpetrated more by R's than D's. But certainly not some scourge of illegal voting.

Because for all their flaws, Dems are rarely on TeamTInFoil. They know doggone well that those R's pulling shenanigans are few and far between....and that those that are caught, are punished.

yes, though there's sometimes a mite bit of over statement of impact of voter suppression....

Agreed that they can be over the top at times. But at least voter suppression has been a very real thing in American history. They're not making stuff up whole cloth.

At least now, for the most part anyway, it's not about racism. It's about winning. Or at least I hope that's what it is.

Perhaps winning "for the most part anyway", but born from a long history of racism. Read about "The Wilmington Notch", with a long history of having the highest density of black residents in New Hanover County (essentially the City of Wilmington), and once again the only election precincts moved from purple New Hanover County on the east side of the Cape Fear River to deep red Brunswick County on the west side of the river in the state's most recent gerrymandering, thereby also making New Hanover County more probable to go red in state legislative elections.

https://www.theassemblync.com/newslette ... ilmington/

I believe it is both sides nibbling on the edges and fringe in order leave an opening, just depends on your POV and how you are playing the game to beat the other guy.....Think of like this, its kind of like what a spike protein does to gain access and fuse to a cell.

Dems tryin to capture more EC votes. https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-con ... view=close

Ask yourself, why are migrants being sent to particular places that would add more representatives in their favor? Dems are playing the long look and this is slicker than two eels in a bucket.

What's your hypothesis here?

That migrants seeking safety and work go where Dems tell them to go?
Instead of where the safety and work actually are?

And Dems purposely direct them away from where safety and work are and instead send them to places that already vote Dem but need more total population because that will shift the Electoral College representation?

The "long game" of what, The Great Replacement? Isn't that the really long game? White Christians ( esp conservative, White Christians who are Republicans) no longer in the majority?

SO...Republicans NEED to claim these migrants are illegally voting AND they NEED to make voting more difficult for low income voters in dense neighborhoods versus higher income, mobile suburbanites AND they NEED to make sure gerrymandering is constitutionally protected???

Do I have that right...or close?

Minimize and try to subvert what is right it front of you, all you want, you know damned well it’s right and are more upset it reveals the shenanigans of those you have now embrace.

It’s okay MD, you can be upset at the side you now identify with…

[youthathletics]

I believe it is both sides nibbling on the edges and fringe in order leave an opening, just depends on your POV and how you are playing the game to beat the other guy.....Think of like this, its kind of like what a spike protein does to gain access and fuse to a cell.

You got it half right. Yes, both sides are trying to win. You got that part right.

But the way they're trying to win? One is right, and the other is wrong. Dems are trying to get more Americans to vote. R's are trying to get fewer.

Do I really have to point out which path is more moral? No, I don't. And now, of course, that R's have figured out that they're gonna get their **ses kick if they don't encourage absentee voting? They're now on the moral side, too. I don't care WHY either side does it. Voting should be as easy as possible. Doubly so for the poor & middle working class with two jobs your team pretends that they champion.

Our democracy functions best if EVERYONE votes.

Ask yourself, why are migrants being sent to particular places that would add more representatives in their favor? Dems are playing the long look and this is slicker than two eels in a bucket.

Simple answer: because you guys can't get out of bed in the morning, without inventing yet another conspiracy theory.


You're telling me that the hardest working humans on Earth......74% of which are Christian....aren't tailor-made for your party? If they aren't. They're not the problem. How your party behaves is the problem.

…you know I’m right, appreciate the attempt to challenge.

[a fan]

I believe it is both sides nibbling on the edges and fringe in order leave an opening, just depends on your POV and how you are playing the game to beat the other guy.....Think of like this, its kind of like what a spike protein does to gain access and fuse to a cell.

You got it half right. Yes, both sides are trying to win. You got that part right.

But the way they're trying to win? One is right, and the other is wrong. Dems are trying to get more Americans to vote. R's are trying to get fewer.

Do I really have to point out which path is more moral? No, I don't. And now, of course, that R's have figured out that they're gonna get their **ses kick if they don't encourage absentee voting? They're now on the moral side, too. I don't care WHY either side does it. Voting should be as easy as possible. Doubly so for the poor & middle working class with two jobs your team pretends that they champion.

Our democracy functions best if EVERYONE votes.

Ask yourself, why are migrants being sent to particular places that would add more representatives in their favor? Dems are playing the long look and this is slicker than two eels in a bucket.

Simple answer: because you guys can't get out of bed in the morning, without inventing yet another conspiracy theory.


You're telling me that the hardest working humans on Earth......74% of which are Christian....aren't tailor-made for your party? If they aren't. They're not the problem. How your party behaves is the problem.

…you know I’m right, appreciate the attempt to challenge.

If you're right....explain why your team hasn't fixed the problem at any time in the last 20 years since FoxNews showed up, and started selling you this nonsense?



Been telling you since Trump made his promise to you and your fellow sucker Republican voters...that they will NEVER fix the problem because they want you and the other R's on the board to blame the Dems, and vote for R's.

....and here you are, being the case in point, rewarding their game.

Riiiiiight: It's a (snicker) Dem conspiracy, and "that's why the Republicans just can't manage to life a finger to fix the problem".

Makes sense.

[old salt]

It is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections, and there is no evidence that this is happening.

Who is enforcing it & how ? Who is checking & gathering evidence that it is not. It is also illegal to exceed the speed limit.

REAL ID documents citizenship or proof of legal residence.
All US states, territories & DC are now REAL ID compliant.
The data is there. Voter registration rolls need to be verified against DMV rolls.
It could be an automated process.

Don't need E-verify. Just require employers to see a REAL ID before hiring an employee.

[a fan]

It is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections, and there is no evidence that this is happening.

Who is enforcing it & how ? Who is checking & gathering evidence that it is not. It is also illegal to exceed the speed limit.

23 States controlled by Republicans. The "who" is your party is checking these things. I told you before, if you're serious about this stuff (and you're not, and neither is YA), you'd take your retired self who has all day to do things over to your county election office, and ask how it works.

And they'll answer your questions. And if you're not totally gone? You'll be quite happy with the answers....and it doesn't matter one whit that a D or R is running the show.


The "reason" why no one is changing anything in your Republican run States, is that outside of a handful of idiot nutjobs, the adults in your party know perfectly well that elections are running great. So they have neither the time, the stupidity, or money to chase UFO's and Bigfoot to make TeamTinFoil happy.

And I told you before: you can't compare voter reg rolls with DMV rolls. They will NEVER match. And no one has the time to waste to care that they will never match.

And you're perfectly smart enough to understand why.

[old salt]

^^^ I'm smart enough to know that your excuses not to require REAL ID are BS.

Even if not checked for US citizenship vs Permanent Residence (which could be done automatically),
it would weed out unlawful residents.

[a fan]

^^^ I'm smart enough to know that your excuses not to require REAL ID are BS.

I'm not giving you a single excuse, and you know it.

I've told you over and over and over that the only way to get what you claim to want (you're not serious) is to require in person voting, ID in hand. Perfectly legal and within the Constitution to require this.


Yet every election, all around the nation, absentee ballots are mailed in and dropped off. No ID shown.

And you don't care. Because you're not serious about any of this, and are trollling.

And none of your R leaders are serious about this, either. Or they would have gotten rid of absentee ballots LONG ago.

[old salt]

REAL ID verification does not require in-person verification.
The ID # could be included on the registration & mail in ballot requests
For signature validation, the signature on the ballot or request can be compared (via internet) to the signature on the ID card.
With motor voter, you can register to vote when getting or renewing an ID card.
You already have to update DMV when residential address changes.
DHS/TSA makes REAL ID work for travel. It can also be used for voting security.
We had to go through the hassle to prove citizenship & residence to get REAL ID. Let's use it.

[cradleandshoot]

Ask yourself, why are migrants being sent to particular places that would add more representatives in their favor? Dems are playing the long look and this is slicker than two eels in a bucket.

Simple answer: because you guys can't get out of bed in the morning, without inventing yet another conspiracy theory.


You're telling me that the hardest working humans on Earth......74% of which are Christian....aren't tailor-made for your party? If they aren't. They're not the problem. How your party behaves is the problem.

If Dems were actually doing this, then they're insanely incompetent at it. You only need tens of thousands to a couple hundred thousand voters to change the Senate elections in Idaho, ND, SD, Wyoming, Maine and maybe another couple of states. That's like 5 days of border crossings according to C&S & OS.

That's low hanging election fruit that's immune to gerrymandering that would have massive national impact.

Please don't lie and put words in my mouth that I never said. If you want to make up stupid chit use someone else for your example.

[MDlaxfan76]

Who is dumb enough to keep falling for this bs?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... legal-imm/


Republicans are already blaming a potential loss in 2024 on illegal voters. On Wednesday, Speaker Johnson and other Trump Republicans held a press conference to promote their new bill to make it illegal for people who are not U.S. citizens to vote in federal elections.

This is a political stunt: It is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections, and there is no evidence that this is happening. In 2017, Trump created a commission to root out the illegal voting he claimed had affected the 2016 election; less than a year later, he disbanded it when it could find no evidence of his claims. Johnson admitted there was no evidence of voting by undocumented immigrants when he told reporters: "We all know, intuitively, that a lot of illegals are voting in federal elections. But it's not been something that is easily provable. We don't have that number."

If you visit the inferno site once known as Twitter, you can see numerous GOP Senators and Congressmen/-women and their flacks talking about this, filling their readers and followers with anger and angst about "illegals voting for Democrat Joe Biden." Their communication strategy is a three-letter word: L-I-E.

This is just a consequence of replacement theory running amok among the idiot class.

They don't think they'll pay a price for these games, catering to clickbait hate, and America's worst qualities, instead of our best. The party of crew cuts and quiet, reasonable governance is SO freaking gone.

All the actual, real conservative Republicans I know are beyond livid at where the party is. They know doggone well that National votes like mine, and other reasonable moderates are there for the taking if they shut up and govern according to their principles, instead of catering to the extreme in their midst.

correct

youth, I'd agree that Dems complain about voter suppression issues and foreign interference issues, and other 'dirty tricks', but I can't recall any prominent Dems or mainstream or even lefty media claiming rampant voter fraud by R's.

And that's despite a surprising (to me) imbalance recently of the few actual crimes caught being perpetrated more by R's than D's. But certainly not some scourge of illegal voting.

Because for all their flaws, Dems are rarely on TeamTInFoil. They know doggone well that those R's pulling shenanigans are few and far between....and that those that are caught, are punished.

yes, though there's sometimes a mite bit of over statement of impact of voter suppression....

Agreed that they can be over the top at times. But at least voter suppression has been a very real thing in American history. They're not making stuff up whole cloth.

At least now, for the most part anyway, it's not about racism. It's about winning. Or at least I hope that's what it is.

Perhaps winning "for the most part anyway", but born from a long history of racism. Read about "The Wilmington Notch", with a long history of having the highest density of black residents in New Hanover County (essentially the City of Wilmington), and once again the only election precincts moved from purple New Hanover County on the east side of the Cape Fear River to deep red Brunswick County on the west side of the river in the state's most recent gerrymandering, thereby also making New Hanover County more probable to go red in state legislative elections.

https://www.theassemblync.com/newslette ... ilmington/

I believe it is both sides nibbling on the edges and fringe in order leave an opening, just depends on your POV and how you are playing the game to beat the other guy.....Think of like this, its kind of like what a spike protein does to gain access and fuse to a cell.

Dems tryin to capture more EC votes. https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-con ... view=close

Ask yourself, why are migrants being sent to particular places that would add more representatives in their favor? Dems are playing the long look and this is slicker than two eels in a bucket.

What's your hypothesis here?

That migrants seeking safety and work go where Dems tell them to go?
Instead of where the safety and work actually are?

And Dems purposely direct them away from where safety and work are and instead send them to places that already vote Dem but need more total population because that will shift the Electoral College representation?

The "long game" of what, The Great Replacement? Isn't that the really long game? White Christians ( esp conservative, White Christians who are Republicans) no longer in the majority?

SO...Republicans NEED to claim these migrants are illegally voting AND they NEED to make voting more difficult for low income voters in dense neighborhoods versus higher income, mobile suburbanites AND they NEED to make sure gerrymandering is constitutionally protected???

Do I have that right...or close?

Minimize and try to subvert what is right it front of you, all you want, you know damned well it’s right and are more upset it reveals the shenanigans of those you have now embrace.

It’s okay MD, you can be upset at the side you now identify with…

Seriously, that's what you believe???

[MDlaxfan76]

Ask yourself, why are migrants being sent to particular places that would add more representatives in their favor? Dems are playing the long look and this is slicker than two eels in a bucket.

Simple answer: because you guys can't get out of bed in the morning, without inventing yet another conspiracy theory.


You're telling me that the hardest working humans on Earth......74% of which are Christian....aren't tailor-made for your party? If they aren't. They're not the problem. How your party behaves is the problem.

If Dems were actually doing this, then they're insanely incompetent at it. You only need tens of thousands to a couple hundred thousand voters to change the Senate elections in Idaho, ND, SD, Wyoming, Maine and maybe another couple of states. That's like 5 days of border crossings according to C&S & OS.

That's low hanging election fruit that's immune to gerrymandering that would have massive national impact.

Exactly...youth's conspiracy theory requires Dems to be really, really stupid.

[cradleandshoot]

Who is dumb enough to keep falling for this bs?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... legal-imm/


Republicans are already blaming a potential loss in 2024 on illegal voters. On Wednesday, Speaker Johnson and other Trump Republicans held a press conference to promote their new bill to make it illegal for people who are not U.S. citizens to vote in federal elections.

This is a political stunt: It is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections, and there is no evidence that this is happening. In 2017, Trump created a commission to root out the illegal voting he claimed had affected the 2016 election; less than a year later, he disbanded it when it could find no evidence of his claims. Johnson admitted there was no evidence of voting by undocumented immigrants when he told reporters: "We all know, intuitively, that a lot of illegals are voting in federal elections. But it's not been something that is easily provable. We don't have that number."

If you visit the inferno site once known as Twitter, you can see numerous GOP Senators and Congressmen/-women and their flacks talking about this, filling their readers and followers with anger and angst about "illegals voting for Democrat Joe Biden." Their communication strategy is a three-letter word: L-I-E.

This is just a consequence of replacement theory running amok among the idiot class.

They don't think they'll pay a price for these games, catering to clickbait hate, and America's worst qualities, instead of our best. The party of crew cuts and quiet, reasonable governance is SO freaking gone.

All the actual, real conservative Republicans I know are beyond livid at where the party is. They know doggone well that National votes like mine, and other reasonable moderates are there for the taking if they shut up and govern according to their principles, instead of catering to the extreme in their midst.

correct

youth, I'd agree that Dems complain about voter suppression issues and foreign interference issues, and other 'dirty tricks', but I can't recall any prominent Dems or mainstream or even lefty media claiming rampant voter fraud by R's.

And that's despite a surprising (to me) imbalance recently of the few actual crimes caught being perpetrated more by R's than D's. But certainly not some scourge of illegal voting.

Because for all their flaws, Dems are rarely on TeamTInFoil. They know doggone well that those R's pulling shenanigans are few and far between....and that those that are caught, are punished.

yes, though there's sometimes a mite bit of over statement of impact of voter suppression....

Agreed that they can be over the top at times. But at least voter suppression has been a very real thing in American history. They're not making stuff up whole cloth.

At least now, for the most part anyway, it's not about racism. It's about winning. Or at least I hope that's what it is.

Perhaps winning "for the most part anyway", but born from a long history of racism. Read about "The Wilmington Notch", with a long history of having the highest density of black residents in New Hanover County (essentially the City of Wilmington), and once again the only election precincts moved from purple New Hanover County on the east side of the Cape Fear River to deep red Brunswick County on the west side of the river in the state's most recent gerrymandering, thereby also making New Hanover County more probable to go red in state legislative elections.

https://www.theassemblync.com/newslette ... ilmington/

I believe it is both sides nibbling on the edges and fringe in order leave an opening, just depends on your POV and how you are playing the game to beat the other guy.....Think of like this, its kind of like what a spike protein does to gain access and fuse to a cell.

Dems tryin to capture more EC votes. https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-con ... view=close

Ask yourself, why are migrants being sent to particular places that would add more representatives in their favor? Dems are playing the long look and this is slicker than two eels in a bucket.

What's your hypothesis here?

That migrants seeking safety and work go where Dems tell them to go?
Instead of where the safety and work actually are?

And Dems purposely direct them away from where safety and work are and instead send them to places that already vote Dem but need more total population because that will shift the Electoral College representation?

The "long game" of what, The Great Replacement? Isn't that the really long game? White Christians ( esp conservative, White Christians who are Republicans) no longer in the majority?

SO...Republicans NEED to claim these migrants are illegally voting AND they NEED to make voting more difficult for low income voters in dense neighborhoods versus higher income, mobile suburbanites AND they NEED to make sure gerrymandering is constitutionally protected???

Do I have that right...or close?

Minimize and try to subvert what is right it front of you, all you want, you know damned well it’s right and are more upset it reveals the shenanigans of those you have now embrace.

It’s okay MD, you can be upset at the side you now identify with…

Seriously, that's what you believe???

Well that is what you keep saying on a daily basis. A lifelong Republican with a lifelong hatred of his own party. The Democrats are waiting to on board you old sod. I'm still waiting for the day you actually say something that a lifelong conservative Republican would say. I guess it's been so long for you that you have forgotten how lifelong conservative Republicans think.

[MDlaxfan76]

Who is dumb enough to keep falling for this bs?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... legal-imm/


Republicans are already blaming a potential loss in 2024 on illegal voters. On Wednesday, Speaker Johnson and other Trump Republicans held a press conference to promote their new bill to make it illegal for people who are not U.S. citizens to vote in federal elections.

This is a political stunt: It is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections, and there is no evidence that this is happening. In 2017, Trump created a commission to root out the illegal voting he claimed had affected the 2016 election; less than a year later, he disbanded it when it could find no evidence of his claims. Johnson admitted there was no evidence of voting by undocumented immigrants when he told reporters: "We all know, intuitively, that a lot of illegals are voting in federal elections. But it's not been something that is easily provable. We don't have that number."

If you visit the inferno site once known as Twitter, you can see numerous GOP Senators and Congressmen/-women and their flacks talking about this, filling their readers and followers with anger and angst about "illegals voting for Democrat Joe Biden." Their communication strategy is a three-letter word: L-I-E.

This is just a consequence of replacement theory running amok among the idiot class.

They don't think they'll pay a price for these games, catering to clickbait hate, and America's worst qualities, instead of our best. The party of crew cuts and quiet, reasonable governance is SO freaking gone.

All the actual, real conservative Republicans I know are beyond livid at where the party is. They know doggone well that National votes like mine, and other reasonable moderates are there for the taking if they shut up and govern according to their principles, instead of catering to the extreme in their midst.

correct

youth, I'd agree that Dems complain about voter suppression issues and foreign interference issues, and other 'dirty tricks', but I can't recall any prominent Dems or mainstream or even lefty media claiming rampant voter fraud by R's.

And that's despite a surprising (to me) imbalance recently of the few actual crimes caught being perpetrated more by R's than D's. But certainly not some scourge of illegal voting.

Because for all their flaws, Dems are rarely on TeamTInFoil. They know doggone well that those R's pulling shenanigans are few and far between....and that those that are caught, are punished.

yes, though there's sometimes a mite bit of over statement of impact of voter suppression....

Agreed that they can be over the top at times. But at least voter suppression has been a very real thing in American history. They're not making stuff up whole cloth.

At least now, for the most part anyway, it's not about racism. It's about winning. Or at least I hope that's what it is.

Perhaps winning "for the most part anyway", but born from a long history of racism. Read about "The Wilmington Notch", with a long history of having the highest density of black residents in New Hanover County (essentially the City of Wilmington), and once again the only election precincts moved from purple New Hanover County on the east side of the Cape Fear River to deep red Brunswick County on the west side of the river in the state's most recent gerrymandering, thereby also making New Hanover County more probable to go red in state legislative elections.

https://www.theassemblync.com/newslette ... ilmington/

I believe it is both sides nibbling on the edges and fringe in order leave an opening, just depends on your POV and how you are playing the game to beat the other guy.....Think of like this, its kind of like what a spike protein does to gain access and fuse to a cell.

Dems tryin to capture more EC votes. https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-con ... view=close

Ask yourself, why are migrants being sent to particular places that would add more representatives in their favor? Dems are playing the long look and this is slicker than two eels in a bucket.

What's your hypothesis here?

That migrants seeking safety and work go where Dems tell them to go?
Instead of where the safety and work actually are?

And Dems purposely direct them away from where safety and work are and instead send them to places that already vote Dem but need more total population because that will shift the Electoral College representation?

The "long game" of what, The Great Replacement? Isn't that the really long game? White Christians ( esp conservative, White Christians who are Republicans) no longer in the majority?

SO...Republicans NEED to claim these migrants are illegally voting AND they NEED to make voting more difficult for low income voters in dense neighborhoods versus higher income, mobile suburbanites AND they NEED to make sure gerrymandering is constitutionally protected???

Do I have that right...or close?

Minimize and try to subvert what is right it front of you, all you want, you know damned well it’s right and are more upset it reveals the shenanigans of those you have now embrace.

It’s okay MD, you can be upset at the side you now identify with…

Seriously, that's what you believe???

Well that is what you keep saying on a daily basis. A lifelong Republican with a lifelong hatred of his own party. The Democrats are waiting to on board you old sod. I'm still waiting for the day you actually say something that a lifelong conservative Republican would say. I guess it's been so long for you that you have forgotten how lifelong conservative Republicans think.

Read his conspiracy theory logic, cradle. If you agree with it, go ahead and say so. If not, say so.

My view is that MAGA stupidity and racial fear has engulfed the majority of the GOP.
But that doesn't make rational Republicans, whether moderate or conservative, to actually be RINOs other than from the perspective of the nut jobs.
Cheney, Kinzinger, Romney, Kasich, Flake, McCain and so many others are/were fully rational Republicans.
And they never believed this craziness.

[youthathletics]

Who is dumb enough to keep falling for this bs?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... legal-imm/


Republicans are already blaming a potential loss in 2024 on illegal voters. On Wednesday, Speaker Johnson and other Trump Republicans held a press conference to promote their new bill to make it illegal for people who are not U.S. citizens to vote in federal elections.

This is a political stunt: It is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections, and there is no evidence that this is happening. In 2017, Trump created a commission to root out the illegal voting he claimed had affected the 2016 election; less than a year later, he disbanded it when it could find no evidence of his claims. Johnson admitted there was no evidence of voting by undocumented immigrants when he told reporters: "We all know, intuitively, that a lot of illegals are voting in federal elections. But it's not been something that is easily provable. We don't have that number."

If you visit the inferno site once known as Twitter, you can see numerous GOP Senators and Congressmen/-women and their flacks talking about this, filling their readers and followers with anger and angst about "illegals voting for Democrat Joe Biden." Their communication strategy is a three-letter word: L-I-E.

This is just a consequence of replacement theory running amok among the idiot class.

They don't think they'll pay a price for these games, catering to clickbait hate, and America's worst qualities, instead of our best. The party of crew cuts and quiet, reasonable governance is SO freaking gone.

All the actual, real conservative Republicans I know are beyond livid at where the party is. They know doggone well that National votes like mine, and other reasonable moderates are there for the taking if they shut up and govern according to their principles, instead of catering to the extreme in their midst.

correct

youth, I'd agree that Dems complain about voter suppression issues and foreign interference issues, and other 'dirty tricks', but I can't recall any prominent Dems or mainstream or even lefty media claiming rampant voter fraud by R's.

And that's despite a surprising (to me) imbalance recently of the few actual crimes caught being perpetrated more by R's than D's. But certainly not some scourge of illegal voting.

Because for all their flaws, Dems are rarely on TeamTInFoil. They know doggone well that those R's pulling shenanigans are few and far between....and that those that are caught, are punished.

yes, though there's sometimes a mite bit of over statement of impact of voter suppression....

Agreed that they can be over the top at times. But at least voter suppression has been a very real thing in American history. They're not making stuff up whole cloth.

At least now, for the most part anyway, it's not about racism. It's about winning. Or at least I hope that's what it is.

Perhaps winning "for the most part anyway", but born from a long history of racism. Read about "The Wilmington Notch", with a long history of having the highest density of black residents in New Hanover County (essentially the City of Wilmington), and once again the only election precincts moved from purple New Hanover County on the east side of the Cape Fear River to deep red Brunswick County on the west side of the river in the state's most recent gerrymandering, thereby also making New Hanover County more probable to go red in state legislative elections.

https://www.theassemblync.com/newslette ... ilmington/

I believe it is both sides nibbling on the edges and fringe in order leave an opening, just depends on your POV and how you are playing the game to beat the other guy.....Think of like this, its kind of like what a spike protein does to gain access and fuse to a cell.

Dems tryin to capture more EC votes. https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-con ... view=close

Ask yourself, why are migrants being sent to particular places that would add more representatives in their favor? Dems are playing the long look and this is slicker than two eels in a bucket.

What's your hypothesis here?

That migrants seeking safety and work go where Dems tell them to go?
Instead of where the safety and work actually are?

And Dems purposely direct them away from where safety and work are and instead send them to places that already vote Dem but need more total population because that will shift the Electoral College representation?

The "long game" of what, The Great Replacement? Isn't that the really long game? White Christians ( esp conservative, White Christians who are Republicans) no longer in the majority?

SO...Republicans NEED to claim these migrants are illegally voting AND they NEED to make voting more difficult for low income voters in dense neighborhoods versus higher income, mobile suburbanites AND they NEED to make sure gerrymandering is constitutionally protected???

Do I have that right...or close?

Minimize and try to subvert what is right it front of you, all you want, you know damned well it’s right and are more upset it reveals the shenanigans of those you have now embrace.

It’s okay MD, you can be upset at the side you now identify with…

Seriously, that's what you believe???

Well that is what you keep saying on a daily basis. A lifelong Republican with a lifelong hatred of his own party. The Democrats are waiting to on board you old sod. I'm still waiting for the day you actually say something that a lifelong conservative Republican would say. I guess it's been so long for you that you have forgotten how lifelong conservative Republicans think.

Read his conspiracy theory logic, cradle. If you agree with it, go ahead and say so. If not, say so.

My view is that MAGA stupidity and racial fear has engulfed the majority of the GOP.
But that doesn't make rational Republicans, whether moderate or conservative, to actually be RINOs other than from the perspective of the nut jobs.
Cheney, Kinzinger, Romney, Kasich, Flake, McCain and so many others are/were fully rational Republicans.
And they never believed this craziness.

It is not conspiracy logic, its essentially an attempt at gerrymandering upstream, with little to no downside. you should thrilled the R's are trying to maintain semblance of who is where and if they are a citizen....instead you side with the democrats that do not believe acknowledging you are a citizen or not on a census is a bad thing....why is that and what value does showing high growth in areas ultimately do? So much so, you do not even care who is there and what that data can and ultimately do. It's not about the R's trying to gain advantage, its about the R's trying to maintain checks and balances in the aftermath of mass immigration. If that is not what conservatives do, then you may have lost your way...and that's okay.

Ever since Trump, you and so many have this preconceived notion that it is only the R's being deceptive, nefarious in seeking power; the edge. Remember Rahm's quote “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.” Do you believe that either party wants to continue to maintain balance or do you believe onside want a majority, to the point they control everything? If the former.....I believe that is naïve, the latter....you bethca'. And how does the latter get there......by any means necessary that can be argued legal and not proven acceptable.

[Seacoaster(1)]

"Ever since Trump, you and so many have this preconceived notion that it is only the R's being deceptive, nefarious in seeking power; the edge."

Marc Elias would like a word with you. Jesus; the notion is hardly "preconceived." GOP attempts to alter the voting process -- in the continuum from census, to gerrymandered districts, to messing with the actual vote -- are as clear as a sunny day. Your party, YA, has a sickness: they don't like participation in a governing process that they think they should own and control.

[a fan]

You already have to update DMV when residential address changes.

No. You don't. Millions of Americans move every year into different States (don't forget to include college students), and I can assure you that zero of them tells their DMV.

Then there's the, oh, ~6million Americans that die during a 2 year election cycle.

The voter rolls will NEVER match. And you know this. So does your Party. Which, again, is why all the adults in your party ignores you and your ridiculous fake complaints that aren't real, and aren't worth a lick of their time.


Remember when I asked the Forum during midterms if anyone had a problem with the election results? And naturally, none you could muster the energy to tell us that you did have a problem with election results.

This has nothing to do with real complaints, and everything to do with RightWing, TrumpClickBait-driven media feeds.

It's why not one Republican State made any major changes to how voting works in their voting district.

And it's also why you and YA don't just take a couple hours and waltz into your local election office, and ask a few questions as to how their system works.....you don't honestly care. This is about Trump, and nothing else....which is why NO ONE complained about election security during midterms...Trump wasn't on the ballot.

And that cured every single complaint you had. They *poof* disappeared. Look for yourself. You were perfectly fine

DHS/TSA makes REAL ID work for travel. It can also be used for voting security.

No. They don't. Try and get on a plane without your ID in hand. Tell them "hey, just match my signature...." as you do with an absentee ballot, and see what they say.

But you can vote in very single State in the US without ID in hand, giving it to a .gov trained official the way you do to get on a US plane.

It's not the same thing. Not even close.

We had to go through the hassle to prove citizenship & residence to get REAL ID. Let's use it.

We do in Colorado, as GGait has pointed out to you, oh, about a hundred times.

You STILL complain about it. You're not serious about any of this. Never have been. Never will be.....and I don't get why you waste your time on something that you know perfectly well this is yet another made-up fake issue Trump came up with to distract you, and keep you angry.

[MDlaxfan76]

Who is dumb enough to keep falling for this bs?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... legal-imm/


Republicans are already blaming a potential loss in 2024 on illegal voters. On Wednesday, Speaker Johnson and other Trump Republicans held a press conference to promote their new bill to make it illegal for people who are not U.S. citizens to vote in federal elections.

This is a political stunt: It is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections, and there is no evidence that this is happening. In 2017, Trump created a commission to root out the illegal voting he claimed had affected the 2016 election; less than a year later, he disbanded it when it could find no evidence of his claims. Johnson admitted there was no evidence of voting by undocumented immigrants when he told reporters: "We all know, intuitively, that a lot of illegals are voting in federal elections. But it's not been something that is easily provable. We don't have that number."

If you visit the inferno site once known as Twitter, you can see numerous GOP Senators and Congressmen/-women and their flacks talking about this, filling their readers and followers with anger and angst about "illegals voting for Democrat Joe Biden." Their communication strategy is a three-letter word: L-I-E.

This is just a consequence of replacement theory running amok among the idiot class.

They don't think they'll pay a price for these games, catering to clickbait hate, and America's worst qualities, instead of our best. The party of crew cuts and quiet, reasonable governance is SO freaking gone.

All the actual, real conservative Republicans I know are beyond livid at where the party is. They know doggone well that National votes like mine, and other reasonable moderates are there for the taking if they shut up and govern according to their principles, instead of catering to the extreme in their midst.

correct

youth, I'd agree that Dems complain about voter suppression issues and foreign interference issues, and other 'dirty tricks', but I can't recall any prominent Dems or mainstream or even lefty media claiming rampant voter fraud by R's.

And that's despite a surprising (to me) imbalance recently of the few actual crimes caught being perpetrated more by R's than D's. But certainly not some scourge of illegal voting.

Because for all their flaws, Dems are rarely on TeamTInFoil. They know doggone well that those R's pulling shenanigans are few and far between....and that those that are caught, are punished.

yes, though there's sometimes a mite bit of over statement of impact of voter suppression....

Agreed that they can be over the top at times. But at least voter suppression has been a very real thing in American history. They're not making stuff up whole cloth.

At least now, for the most part anyway, it's not about racism. It's about winning. Or at least I hope that's what it is.

Perhaps winning "for the most part anyway", but born from a long history of racism. Read about "The Wilmington Notch", with a long history of having the highest density of black residents in New Hanover County (essentially the City of Wilmington), and once again the only election precincts moved from purple New Hanover County on the east side of the Cape Fear River to deep red Brunswick County on the west side of the river in the state's most recent gerrymandering, thereby also making New Hanover County more probable to go red in state legislative elections.

https://www.theassemblync.com/newslette ... ilmington/

I believe it is both sides nibbling on the edges and fringe in order leave an opening, just depends on your POV and how you are playing the game to beat the other guy.....Think of like this, its kind of like what a spike protein does to gain access and fuse to a cell.

Dems tryin to capture more EC votes. https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-con ... view=close

Ask yourself, why are migrants being sent to particular places that would add more representatives in their favor? Dems are playing the long look and this is slicker than two eels in a bucket.

What's your hypothesis here?

That migrants seeking safety and work go where Dems tell them to go?
Instead of where the safety and work actually are?

And Dems purposely direct them away from where safety and work are and instead send them to places that already vote Dem but need more total population because that will shift the Electoral College representation?

The "long game" of what, The Great Replacement? Isn't that the really long game? White Christians ( esp conservative, White Christians who are Republicans) no longer in the majority?

SO...Republicans NEED to claim these migrants are illegally voting AND they NEED to make voting more difficult for low income voters in dense neighborhoods versus higher income, mobile suburbanites AND they NEED to make sure gerrymandering is constitutionally protected???

Do I have that right...or close?

Minimize and try to subvert what is right it front of you, all you want, you know damned well it’s right and are more upset it reveals the shenanigans of those you have now embrace.

It’s okay MD, you can be upset at the side you now identify with…

Seriously, that's what you believe???

Well that is what you keep saying on a daily basis. A lifelong Republican with a lifelong hatred of his own party. The Democrats are waiting to on board you old sod. I'm still waiting for the day you actually say something that a lifelong conservative Republican would say. I guess it's been so long for you that you have forgotten how lifelong conservative Republicans think.

Read his conspiracy theory logic, cradle. If you agree with it, go ahead and say so. If not, say so.

My view is that MAGA stupidity and racial fear has engulfed the majority of the GOP.
But that doesn't make rational Republicans, whether moderate or conservative, to actually be RINOs other than from the perspective of the nut jobs.
Cheney, Kinzinger, Romney, Kasich, Flake, McCain and so many others are/were fully rational Republicans.
And they never believed this craziness.

It is not conspiracy logic, its essentially an attempt at gerrymandering upstream, with little to no downside. you should thrilled the R's are trying to maintain semblance of who is where and if they are a citizen....instead you side with the democrats that do not believe acknowledging you are a citizen or not on a census is a bad thing....why is that and what value does showing high growth in areas ultimately do? So much so, you do not even care who is there and what that data can and ultimately do. It's not about the R's trying to gain advantage, its about the R's trying to maintain checks and balances in the aftermath of mass immigration. If that is not what conservatives do, then you may have lost your way...and that's okay.

Ever since Trump, you and so many have this preconceived notion that it is only the R's being deceptive, nefarious in seeking power; the edge. Remember Rahm's quote “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.” Do you believe that either party wants to continue to maintain balance or do you believe onside want a majority, to the point they control everything? If the former.....I believe that is naïve, the latter....you bethca'. And how does the latter get there......by any means necessary that can be argued legal and not proven acceptable.

Perhaps you missed NattyBoh's point?

This is an incredibly stupid conspiracy theory, and is based on deep rooted racism and nativism, which, if you want to call those aspects, stupidity, racism, and nativism, "conservative" then sure, that fits. It's just not what traditional Republicans have embraced.

The Constitution makes clear that everyone counts, not just citizens, not just registered voters, not just adults, not just men (not women), not just free men (except that slaves counted less!). Note on that last point, the southern states insisted on getting credit for their slaves because it gave them more power electorally and in Congressional representation.

The census is for the purpose of counting everyone and there should be no impediment to accomplishing that task fully. Period, full stop. and with the end of slavery, everyone is supposed to be counted equally.

It should not be an instrument to discourage people from being counted.

I do not think that our history confirms the notion that either of the two parties has sought a permanent dominance of the country. Quite the opposite. That doesn't mean that groups haven't sought strategic advantage in achieving support of a majority of voters, but that's fundamental to democratic competition. Likewise, the parties have sought to maintain degrees of influence, if not permanent control, through various manipulations of power, eg gerrymandering. (which I find repugnant)

Our system naturally provides a very strong bias to two national parties, not more nor less, as long as the Constitution is followed, and the separation of powers is maintained.

But power is indeed seductive and there are people who have and who will put power over principle and over country and even over law...so, it's essential that we reject those people from access to too much power, especially when it's clear they wish to achieve and maintain power through minority rule.

That can and could in the future happen with either party.

Right now, it's not a remotely close call as to where the greatest danger lies. And that's with the MAGA GOP.

They have explicitly adopted a strategy in which they know they would rule only as a minority, and they use the deepest poisons in our societal fabric to justify their desired control: racism, nativism and other bigotries.

It's an explicitly fascist strategy.

I DO have deep concerns about an authoritarian far left coming into power someday, justifying their authoritarian control as 'majority' rule while trampling individual rights, which is why I think it's super important that we have a credible, honest party that seeks to balance such tendencies from the extreme left, but it can't be an authoritarian or dishonest party and maintain credibility.

Moreover, we need two parties each committed to governing by consensus not purist ideology, where balance shifts left and right somewhat in any given period, but with full expectation that the balance will shift again and not extremely in any direction.

But MAGA GOP is the opposite of that philosophy.

As to immigration, I'm all for making it much easier to achieve legal status swiftly or if not deserving of asylum to be swiftly adjudicated and returned. If legal status enables working status and adjudication of that is swift, it will continue to be a major strategic advantage versus countries like China which have a rapidly aging population problem. We should strongly encourage asylum seekers to do so prior to coming to the US, but make adjudication swift. Immigration is a huge positive to the country, with younger workers, new vitality, and lower crime rates than similarly economically situated multi-generational Americans.

I'm also in strong favor of e-verify or other national system enabling employers to swiftly verify legal work status and hold employers accountable to do so...but that requires swift process to have migrants able to work.