The country that was

[Seacoaster(1)]

Roughly half of the 282 total people arrested at Columbia and CCNY were not affiliated with the schools, NYPD says
From CNN's John Miller
Out of the total 282 people arrested at both Columbia University and the City College of New York on Tuesday, 134 individuals were not affiliated with either school, according to a New York Police Department official who shared the breakdown with CNN. The remaining 148 individuals did have an affiliation with one of the two universities.

Broken down by school, the numbers skew a bit differently — 80 people arrested at Columbia did have an affiliation with the Ivy League university, while only 32 did not, according to the official. Those numbers represent arrests both inside and outside Hamilton Hall.

At CCNY, the breakdown was flipped —102 people arrested were not affiliated with the school and only 68 were affiliated.

The NYPD said it was able to determine this data by cross-checking records with the universities.

These protests are freaking tiny. A TINY percentage of students are doing this. Yet shockingly, the media desperately wants to make it sound like every college kid in America has lost their minds.

Clickbait.

Yup, Columbia University has more than 36,000 total students, 8,832 undergrads. 80 arrests.
For some of our less mathematically inclined, that would be less than 1% if all undergrads, and less than 0.25% of all students...of course, there are more that are sympathetic to the cause of the protests, but that doesn't mean they are protesting in a violent or threatening way deserving of arrest.

And no bombs in the Admissions office. Check the stats for 1970-1971 for a neat comparison.

A lot of broken chairs and broken windows and if your Jewish alot of broken dreams.

That, of course, is true and terrifically sad. But the demonstrations today are just artificially amplified by the social media, media, cell phone technology etc., and when compared to the demonstrating and consequences of that demonstrating of my youth, there's really no meaningful comparison. I'm not saying what is happening now is unimportant; I am saying that the period from 1968 through 1972 or '73 was considerably more turbulent and dangerous. But again, you are right: if you are a Jew, a lot of broken dreams.

[a fan]

Roughly half of the 282 total people arrested at Columbia and CCNY were not affiliated with the schools, NYPD says
From CNN's John Miller
Out of the total 282 people arrested at both Columbia University and the City College of New York on Tuesday, 134 individuals were not affiliated with either school, according to a New York Police Department official who shared the breakdown with CNN. The remaining 148 individuals did have an affiliation with one of the two universities.

Broken down by school, the numbers skew a bit differently — 80 people arrested at Columbia did have an affiliation with the Ivy League university, while only 32 did not, according to the official. Those numbers represent arrests both inside and outside Hamilton Hall.

At CCNY, the breakdown was flipped —102 people arrested were not affiliated with the school and only 68 were affiliated.

The NYPD said it was able to determine this data by cross-checking records with the universities.

These protests are freaking tiny. A TINY percentage of students are doing this. Yet shockingly, the media desperately wants to make it sound like every college kid in America has lost their minds.

Clickbait.

Yup, Columbia University has more than 36,000 total students, 8,832 undergrads. 80 arrests.
For some of our less mathematically inclined, that would be less than 1% if all undergrads, and less than 0.25% of all students...of course, there are more that are sympathetic to the cause of the protests, but that doesn't mean they are protesting in a violent or threatening way deserving of arrest.

And no bombs in the Admissions office. Check the stats for 1970-1971 for a neat comparison.

A lot of broken chairs and broken windows and if your Jewish alot of broken dreams.

That, of course, is true and terrifically sad.

Yes, without question. "The river to the sea" part of this is disgusting, and should offend all Americans and global citizens.

What I'm saying is: these demonstrations are about 1/1000th the size the media is making them out to be.

....to the delight of the protesters, obviously, who are THRILLED that the media is doing their bidding.

The media----all of them....left, right, center------is HELPING the protesters by making it sound like every student on campus is protesting, when it's nothing anywhere close to that.

[Seacoaster(1)]

Roughly half of the 282 total people arrested at Columbia and CCNY were not affiliated with the schools, NYPD says
From CNN's John Miller
Out of the total 282 people arrested at both Columbia University and the City College of New York on Tuesday, 134 individuals were not affiliated with either school, according to a New York Police Department official who shared the breakdown with CNN. The remaining 148 individuals did have an affiliation with one of the two universities.

Broken down by school, the numbers skew a bit differently — 80 people arrested at Columbia did have an affiliation with the Ivy League university, while only 32 did not, according to the official. Those numbers represent arrests both inside and outside Hamilton Hall.

At CCNY, the breakdown was flipped —102 people arrested were not affiliated with the school and only 68 were affiliated.

The NYPD said it was able to determine this data by cross-checking records with the universities.

These protests are freaking tiny. A TINY percentage of students are doing this. Yet shockingly, the media desperately wants to make it sound like every college kid in America has lost their minds.

Clickbait.

Yup, Columbia University has more than 36,000 total students, 8,832 undergrads. 80 arrests.
For some of our less mathematically inclined, that would be less than 1% if all undergrads, and less than 0.25% of all students...of course, there are more that are sympathetic to the cause of the protests, but that doesn't mean they are protesting in a violent or threatening way deserving of arrest.

And no bombs in the Admissions office. Check the stats for 1970-1971 for a neat comparison.

A lot of broken chairs and broken windows and if your Jewish alot of broken dreams.

That, of course, is true and terrifically sad.

Yes, without question. "The river to the sea" part of this is disgusting, and should offend all Americans and global citizens.

What I'm saying is: these demonstrations are about 1/1000th the size the media is making them out to be.

....to the delight of the protesters, obviously, who are THRILLED that the media is doing their bidding.

The media----all of them....left, right, center------is HELPING the protesters by making it sound like every student on campus is protesting, when it's nothing anywhere close to that.

Yup.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Remember Grenada!

I remember that it's on your travel list if I'm not mistaken!

Joe

Yes. Without a doubt.

[old salt]

I don't expect to change your opinions & you're a fool to think you can change mine.

Nope. I'm not a fool. If you're honestly telling me that you can't change your opinions based on discussions here, I feel nothing but pity for you. This means that you have stopped learning, stopped listening, and stopped thinking.

And clearly you've forgotten you said you changed your mind at the Old Forum, and that's why you enjoyed discussions there....you were there to hear other opinions on matters.

I have changed my views/opinions THOUSANDS of times here and at the old forum. THOUSANDS. Some, from our exchanges.

The fact that you're telling us that you waltz in here with immutable opinions that cannot be changed with discussion or thought is just about the saddest thing I've ever read from you. You're telling us that you read something, form an opinion, and that's the end of it. This is how fool's brains work, OS.

So...you're not gaslighting. Understand that this means you're here to troll....you're not here to discuss things, and exchange ideas with the notion of gaining a better understanding of our world.

You're here to troll now, after having actual discussions before Trump showed up. Which is why 99% of your posts are "Dems/libs are bad", and the last 1%, you're lecturing the class about military hardware.

I did not say I can't or won't change my mind. I said that YOU won't change my mind. There is a difference.
Because of your hectoring & attacks, you no longer have any credibility with me.
You've made your opinions & perspective perfectly clear. I don't expect to influence them.
I find our "discussions" tedious & repetitive. You don't like having to read differing opinions so you're trying to discourage me from posting.
You've stated that I have no credibility with you & you think I'm just trolling, so there's no point in further discussion between us.

I've said repeatedly that I agree with some of Trump's policies & decisions -- not all of them or all of his actions.
I more concerned with the actions & extremes that his political enemies are willing to resort to in order to destroy him.
You can't understand or tolerate that. Obviously most (R)'s agree with me.
I remain a Conservative (R). Get over it.
YOU won't change my opinions. I've heard your manifesto, ...over & over.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I don't expect to change your opinions & you're a fool to think you can change mine.

Nope. I'm not a fool. If you're honestly telling me that you can't change your opinions based on discussions here, I feel nothing but pity for you. This means that you have stopped learning, stopped listening, and stopped thinking.

And clearly you've forgotten you said you changed your mind at the Old Forum, and that's why you enjoyed discussions there....you were there to hear other opinions on matters.

I have changed my views/opinions THOUSANDS of times here and at the old forum. THOUSANDS. Some, from our exchanges.

The fact that you're telling us that you waltz in here with immutable opinions that cannot be changed with discussion or thought is just about the saddest thing I've ever read from you. You're telling us that you read something, form an opinion, and that's the end of it. This is how fool's brains work, OS.

So...you're not gaslighting. Understand that this means you're here to troll....you're not here to discuss things, and exchange ideas with the notion of gaining a better understanding of our world.

You're here to troll now, after having actual discussions before Trump showed up. Which is why 99% of your posts are "Dems/libs are bad", and the last 1%, you're lecturing the class about military hardware.

I did not say I can't or won't change my mind. I said that YOU won't change my mind. There is a difference.
Because of your hectoring & attacks, you no longer have any credibility with me.
You've made your opinions & perspective perfectly clear. I don't expect to influence them.
I find our "discussions" tedious & repetitive. You don't like having to read differing opinions so you're trying to discourage me from posting.
You've stated that I have no credibility with you & you think I'm just trolling, so there's no point in further discussion between us.

I've said repeatedly that I agree with some of Trump's policies & decisions -- not all of them or all of his actions.
I more concerned with the actions & extremes that his political enemies are willing to resort to in order to destroy him.
You can't understand or tolerate that. Obviously most (R)'s agree with me.
I remain a Conservative (R). Get over it.
YOU won't change my opinions. I've heard your manifesto, ...over & over.

now you see how that works!

[old salt]

I don't expect to change your opinions & you're a fool to think you can change mine.

Nope. I'm not a fool. If you're honestly telling me that you can't change your opinions based on discussions here, I feel nothing but pity for you. This means that you have stopped learning, stopped listening, and stopped thinking.

And clearly you've forgotten you said you changed your mind at the Old Forum, and that's why you enjoyed discussions there....you were there to hear other opinions on matters.

I have changed my views/opinions THOUSANDS of times here and at the old forum. THOUSANDS. Some, from our exchanges.

The fact that you're telling us that you waltz in here with immutable opinions that cannot be changed with discussion or thought is just about the saddest thing I've ever read from you. You're telling us that you read something, form an opinion, and that's the end of it. This is how fool's brains work, OS.

So...you're not gaslighting. Understand that this means you're here to troll....you're not here to discuss things, and exchange ideas with the notion of gaining a better understanding of our world.

You're here to troll now, after having actual discussions before Trump showed up. Which is why 99% of your posts are "Dems/libs are bad", and the last 1%, you're lecturing the class about military hardware.

I did not say I can't or won't change my mind. I said that YOU won't change my mind. There is a difference.
Because of your hectoring & attacks, you no longer have any credibility with me.
You've made your opinions & perspective perfectly clear. I don't expect to influence them.
I find our "discussions" tedious & repetitive. You don't like having to read differing opinions so you're trying to discourage me from posting.
You've stated that I have no credibility with you & you think I'm just trolling, so there's no point in further discussion between us.

I've said repeatedly that I agree with some of Trump's policies & decisions -- not all of them or all of his actions.
I more concerned with the actions & extremes that his political enemies are willing to resort to in order to destroy him.
You can't understand or tolerate that. Obviously most (R)'s agree with me.
I remain a Conservative (R). Get over it.
YOU won't change my opinions. I've heard your manifesto, ...over & over.

now you see how that works!

That's fine. I'm happy to continue ignoring you too.

[a fan]

I did not say I can't or won't change my mind. I said that YOU won't change my mind. There is a difference.
Because of your hectoring & attacks, you no longer have any credibility with me.

Every other poster here who disagrees with you is ten times more rude then I am. You ignore them, yet tell me I hector you. They've called you everything from a racist, to an anti-semite, to a Full-on-Trumpster....yet you're all over ME? Sweet.

You call it hectoring. I call it making fun of a grown educated man giving R's a pass for doing things that aren't in any way conservative, yet making post after post after post about how the Dems are bad, and the libs are ruining everything.

I wouldn't even notice you, and would put you in the same category as Brookie and Pete Brown for making stupid, repetitive posts that are indicative of a poorly educated partisan on the right wing fringe.....except I know how you posted at Laxpower, and you were NOTHING like you are today.

I guess I should give up, and treat you like the uneducated partisan troll you've become. Fine by me. But I'm not leaving you alone if you continue to troll the board and your fellow posters.

Protip: STFU with your trolling posts about how the libs/dems are bad. You won't hear from me. That's TROLLING for a response because FFS, WE GET IT....you HATE the libs and Dems. There is no need for even one more post on the subject. You've beaten that horse into liquid since Trump arrived.

You don't like having to read differing opinions so you're trying to discourage me from posting.

Right. I disagree with posters here every single day. The difference is, you're a delicate flower who doesn't like it when people challenge you, call you wrong, or call out obvious hypocrisy on your part. You want to troll everyone else with your nonstop "libs are bad" posts, yet clutch pearls when anyone dares to troll you back. Don't like it? Stop trolling.

You've stated that I have no credibility with you

Nope. Never done that. What I have said is that you are gaslighting nearly everyday....and you are, in fact, doing that.

I've said repeatedly that I agree with some of Trump's policies & decisions -- not all of them or all of his actions.
I more concerned with the actions & extremes that his political enemies are willing to resort to in order to destroy him.
You can't understand or tolerate that. Obviously most (R)'s agree with me.

I can tolerate that just fine. The problem, as you very well know, is back on Laxpower, you CLAIMED this "I don't want the government weaponizing the government to target political enemies" had NOTHING to do with your precious party, and this view applied to when it happened to Dems, too.

Fast forward to doing it to Hilary, or doing it to Hunter and Joe is perfectly fine with you. And the REAL issue is that you want your leaders to be able to break laws without consequence, while at the same time, throw the book at any Dem who dare to break laws.

In other words, you LIED to me on Laxpower, and are livid at me for calling out your horsesh(t that you want our Government to operate fairly.

Clearly, that's NOT what you want. What you want is your team in power, by any means necessary, details or facts be damned.

I remain a Conservative (R). Get over it.

Oh, you're a 2024 Republican alright. But you sure as Sh*T aren't a Conservative: you're a liberal socialist, who THINKS he's a conservative free market guy.

What you REALLY want is Big Government, handouts, and Socialism for you and your favored pals....and your enemies can eat cake, and starve in the free market. And you truly do see your fellow Americans who dare to have a different view from you as your enemy. Pretty sad.

THIS is why we no longer get along. And if we didn't know each other before Trump arrived? I wouldn't give you a second thought...and peg you as a troll worse than Petey Brown.

Even P Brown conceded points when he was wrong. You? You stopped doing that....yet call ME the problem here.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I did not say I can't or won't change my mind. I said that YOU won't change my mind. There is a difference.
Because of your hectoring & attacks, you no longer have any credibility with me.

Every other poster here who disagrees with you is ten times more rude then I am. You ignore them, yet tell me I hector you. They've called you everything from a racist, to an anti-semite, to a Full-on-Trumpster....yet you're all over ME? Sweet.

You call it hectoring. I call it making fun of a grown educated man giving R's a pass for doing things that aren't in any way conservative, yet making post after post after post about how the Dems are bad, and the libs are ruining everything.

I wouldn't even notice you, and would put you in the same category as Brookie and Pete Brown for making stupid, repetitive posts that are indicative of a poorly educated partisan on the right wing fringe.....except I know how you posted at Laxpower, and you were NOTHING like you are today.

I guess I should give up, and treat you like the uneducated partisan troll you've become. Fine by me. But I'm not leaving you alone if you continue to troll the board and your fellow posters.

Protip: STFU with your trolling posts about how the libs/dems are bad. You won't hear from me. That's TROLLING for a response because FFS, WE GET IT....you HATE the libs and Dems. There is no need for even one more post on the subject. You've beaten that horse into liquid since Trump arrived.

You don't like having to read differing opinions so you're trying to discourage me from posting.

Right. I disagree with posters here every single day. The difference is, you're a delicate flower who doesn't like it when people challenge you, call you wrong, or call out obvious hypocrisy on your part. You want to troll everyone else with your nonstop "libs are bad" posts, yet clutch pearls when anyone dares to troll you back. Don't like it? Stop trolling.

You've stated that I have no credibility with you

Nope. Never done that. What I have said is that you are gaslighting nearly everyday....and you are, in fact, doing that.

I've said repeatedly that I agree with some of Trump's policies & decisions -- not all of them or all of his actions.
I more concerned with the actions & extremes that his political enemies are willing to resort to in order to destroy him.
You can't understand or tolerate that. Obviously most (R)'s agree with me.

I can tolerate that just fine. The problem, as you very well know, is back on Laxpower, you CLAIMED this "I don't want the government weaponizing the government to target political enemies" had NOTHING to do with your precious party, and this view applied to when it happened to Dems, too.

Fast forward to doing it to Hilary, or doing it to Hunter and Joe is perfectly fine with you. And the REAL issue is that you want your leaders to be able to break laws without consequence, while at the same time

In other words, you LIED to me on Laxpower, and are livid at me for calling out your horsesh(t that you want our Government to operate fairly.

Clearly, that's NOT what you want. What you want is your team in power, by any means necessary, details or facts be damned.

I remain a Conservative (R). Get over it.

Oh, you're a 2024 Republican alright. But you sure as Sh*T aren't a Conservative: you're a liberal socialist, who THINKS he's a conservative free market guy.

What you REALLY want is Big Government, handouts, and Socialism for you and your favored pals....and your enemies can eat cake, and starve in the free market. And you truly do see your fellow Americans who dare to have a different view from you as your enemy. Pretty sad.

THIS is why we no longer get along. And if we didn't know each other before Trump arrived? I wouldn't give you a second thought...and peg you as a troll worse than Petey Brown.

Even P Brown conceded points when he was wrong. You? You stopped doing that....yet call ME the problem here.

+1000…..Hands Up Don’t Shoot….cute emoji.

[old salt]

I did not say I can't or won't change my mind. I said that YOU won't change my mind. There is a difference.
Because of your hectoring & attacks, you no longer have any credibility with me.

Every other poster here who disagrees with you is ten times more rude then I am. You ignore them, yet tell me I hector you. They've called you everything from a racist, to an anti-semite, to a Full-on-Trumpster....yet you're all over ME? Sweet.

You call it hectoring. I call it making fun of a grown educated man giving R's a pass for doing things that aren't in any way conservative, yet making post after post after post about how the Dems are bad, and the libs are ruining everything.

I wouldn't even notice you, and would put you in the same category as Brookie and Pete Brown for making stupid, repetitive posts that are indicative of a poorly educated partisan on the right wing fringe.....except I know how you posted at Laxpower, and you were NOTHING like you are today.

I guess I should give up, and treat you like the uneducated partisan troll you've become. Fine by me. But I'm not leaving you alone if you continue to troll the board and your fellow posters.

Protip: STFU with your trolling posts about how the libs/dems are bad. You won't hear from me. That's TROLLING for a response because FFS, WE GET IT....you HATE the libs and Dems. There is no need for even one more post on the subject. You've beaten that horse into liquid since Trump arrived.

You don't like having to read differing opinions so you're trying to discourage me from posting.

Right. I disagree with posters here every single day. The difference is, you're a delicate flower who doesn't like it when people challenge you, call you wrong, or call out obvious hypocrisy on your part. You want to troll everyone else with your nonstop "libs are bad" posts, yet clutch pearls when anyone dares to troll you back. Don't like it? Stop trolling.

You've stated that I have no credibility with you

Nope. Never done that. What I have said is that you are gaslighting nearly everyday....and you are, in fact, doing that.

I've said repeatedly that I agree with some of Trump's policies & decisions -- not all of them or all of his actions.
I more concerned with the actions & extremes that his political enemies are willing to resort to in order to destroy him.
You can't understand or tolerate that. Obviously most (R)'s agree with me.

I can tolerate that just fine. The problem, as you very well know, is back on Laxpower, you CLAIMED this "I don't want the government weaponizing the government to target political enemies" had NOTHING to do with your precious party, and this view applied to when it happened to Dems, too.

Fast forward to doing it to Hilary, or doing it to Hunter and Joe is perfectly fine with you. And the REAL issue is that you want your leaders to be able to break laws without consequence, while at the same time, throw the book at any Dem who dare to break laws.

In other words, you LIED to me on Laxpower, and are livid at me for calling out your horsesh(t that you want our Government to operate fairly.

Clearly, that's NOT what you want. What you want is your team in power, by any means necessary, details or facts be damned.

I remain a Conservative (R). Get over it.

Oh, you're a 2024 Republican alright. But you sure as Sh*T aren't a Conservative: you're a liberal socialist, who THINKS he's a conservative free market guy.

What you REALLY want is Big Government, handouts, and Socialism for you and your favored pals....and your enemies can eat cake, and starve in the free market. And you truly do see your fellow Americans who dare to have a different view from you as your enemy. Pretty sad.

THIS is why we no longer get along. And if we didn't know each other before Trump arrived? I wouldn't give you a second thought...and peg you as a troll worse than Petey Brown.

Even P Brown conceded points when he was wrong. You? You stopped doing that....yet call ME the problem here.

Too long & tedious to respond to, point by point.

I'll just say. I read (often without comment) all sorts of posts & links/quotes that I do not agree with.
By your standard, you'd call them trolling, if you disagree with them.
I don't hear you complaining about Seacoaster, JHU72, dis, kismet & others trolling, I'm not,
yet they post & link just as much partisan stuff as I do.
You just happen to agree with them & disagree with me.
One example -- my links from NR & WSJ are as credible as dis' links from the EmptyWheel. You're not whining about them, only me.
VDH is more widely read than Heather Cox Richardson or Marcy Wheeler, yet you only complain that quoting one is trolling.
.
Over 74 million people voted for Trump (& I was not one of them). You need to be more tolerant of those who disagree with you.
I have not changed -- I've been a Conservative (R) my entire life, influenced by William Buckley, Pat Buchanan, Reagan, McCain, Dole & the Bushes, & I still am. Trump is finishing returning the GOP to the party of Reagan/Buchanan from the NeoCon elites. There's room for all. I agree with all of them, to varying degrees, on various issues. I'm like most of the (R)'s who have remained loyal to the GOP & don't fear the anti-Trump hysteria.

[a fan]

Too long & tedious to respond to, point by point.

You say the same thing every time you can't refute points. Or you run away. Every time.

I'll just say. I read (often without comment) all sorts of posts & links/quotes that I do not agree with.
By your standard, you'd call them trolling, if you disagree with them.
I don't hear you complaining about Seacoaster, JHU72, dis, kismet & others trolling, I'm not,
yet they post & link just as much partisan stuff as I do.

Wow, you really don't pay attention.

You don't know why? Because they didn't come on claiming to despise both parties as you did in the Laxpower days. THAT is why.

You were evenhanded. You called out R BS. If you had been honest, and told me you hate libs, think they're ruining the country, and that the Dems never ever do anything right? I would never have issues with you. I would simply drop you in the category I put Brookie or DocB in.....insufferable partisans who root for the letter D or R no matter what happens on Earth.


It ain't my fault you don't remember you made these claims to me. And in my very last post you pretended to not read? I explained this to you DIRECTLY.

Over 74 million people voted for Trump (& I was not one of them). You need to be more tolerant of those who disagree with you.

I'm the most tolerant person on the board. Vote For R's routinely. And compared with you, I'm an actual conservative who isn't mesmerized and confused by your magic letter R.

The post where we discussed spending? You agreed with spending cuts.....but like every R in America, avoided the obvious need for massive tax hikes.

That's not conservative. That's what toddler libs do, who don't want to pay for the stuff the .gov gives them.

I have not changed -- I've been a Conservative (R) my entire life, influenced by William Buckley, Pat Buchanan, Reagan, McCain, Dole & the Bushes, & I still am.

That's not what changed. What changed is you now have a complete inability to criticize anyone with a R by their name. You didn't have this problem at laxpower.

I don't know how much clearer I can be: if you didn't claim to be sick of both parties, and didn't claim that you were worried about "weaponizing government" to go after politicians.....and make these claims MULTIPLE times? I wouldn't have given you a second thought, and you could make your "Dems are bad" posts until hell freezes over.

Trump is finishing returning the GOP to the party of Reagan/Buchanan from the NeoCon elites.

No he isn't, that's you, once again, being mesmerized by the letter R, and buying the BS right wing media has been sellingy ou.

He's making the elites richer than ever, while F'ing the working class. And he'll do it again if you let him. He kept us in Afghanistan and kept playing global cop by hitting ISIS....neo-con all the way. Fancy lies in speeches don't negate your ACTUAL policies, sorry.

Obama was a neo-con....didn't matter what he said...he kept us in Afghanistan, and droned everything that moved. Neo-Con.

[jhu72]

Roughly half of the 282 total people arrested at Columbia and CCNY were not affiliated with the schools, NYPD says
From CNN's John Miller
Out of the total 282 people arrested at both Columbia University and the City College of New York on Tuesday, 134 individuals were not affiliated with either school, according to a New York Police Department official who shared the breakdown with CNN. The remaining 148 individuals did have an affiliation with one of the two universities.

Broken down by school, the numbers skew a bit differently — 80 people arrested at Columbia did have an affiliation with the Ivy League university, while only 32 did not, according to the official. Those numbers represent arrests both inside and outside Hamilton Hall.

At CCNY, the breakdown was flipped —102 people arrested were not affiliated with the school and only 68 were affiliated.

The NYPD said it was able to determine this data by cross-checking records with the universities.

These protests are freaking tiny. A TINY percentage of students are doing this. Yet shockingly, the media desperately wants to make it sound like every college kid in America has lost their minds.

Clickbait.

Yup, Columbia University has more than 36,000 total students, 8,832 undergrads. 80 arrests.
For some of our less mathematically inclined, that would be less than 1% if all undergrads, and less than 0.25% of all students...of course, there are more that are sympathetic to the cause of the protests, but that doesn't mean they are protesting in a violent or threatening way deserving of arrest.

And no bombs in the Admissions office. Check the stats for 1970-1971 for a neat comparison.

A lot of broken chairs and broken windows and if your Jewish alot of broken dreams.

That, of course, is true and terrifically sad. But the demonstrations today are just artificially amplified by the social media, media, cell phone technology etc., and when compared to the demonstrating and consequences of that demonstrating of my youth, there's really no meaningful comparison. I'm not saying what is happening now is unimportant; I am saying that the period from 1968 through 1972 or '73 was considerably more turbulent and dangerous. But again, you are right: if you are a Jew, a lot of broken dreams.

... Yes, as someone there in the 68-72 period, these are much smaller and much more tame to this point. The instances where things have turned violent in the past two days either had substantial nominal "pro-Jewish" counter protests (UCLA for example) engage the encampments. The other (Columbia) where you have an administration allowing themselves to be pushed around by politicians, taking stupid actions. We are also seeing the "anti-Palestine" provocateurs (nominally Jewish) false flag claimed incidents of antisemitism and harassment.

I checked Hopkins this evening where there are under 50 "pro-Palestine" protesters and a single "anti-Palestine" provocateur. A female graduate student claiming antisemitism and harassment to the administration and press. Campus security cameras to this point apparently don't back up her story according to the student paper reporting, and of course there is no eyewitness.

There is also now an incident of NYPD officer discharging his / her firearm inside one of the halls at Columbia. Apparently NYPD has been sitting on this event for nearly 48 hours. No one injured.

[old salt]

Too long & tedious to respond to, point by point.

You say the same thing every time you can't refute points. Or you run away. Every time.

I'll just say. I read (often without comment) all sorts of posts & links/quotes that I do not agree with.
By your standard, you'd call them trolling, if you disagree with them.
I don't hear you complaining about Seacoaster, JHU72, dis, kismet & others trolling, I'm not,
yet they post & link just as much partisan stuff as I do.

Wow, you really don't pay attention.

You don't know why? Because they didn't come on claiming to despise both parties as you did in the Laxpower days. THAT is why.

You were evenhanded. You called out R BS. If you had been honest, and told me you hate libs, think they're ruining the country, and that the Dems never ever do anything right? I would never have issues with you. I would simply drop you in the category I put Brookie or DocB in.....insufferable partisans who root for the letter D or R no matter what happens on Earth.


It ain't my fault you don't remember you made these claims to me. And in my very last post you pretended to not read? I explained this to you DIRECTLY.

Over 74 million people voted for Trump (& I was not one of them). You need to be more tolerant of those who disagree with you.

I'm the most tolerant person on the board. Vote For R's routinely. And compared with you, I'm an actual conservative who isn't mesmerized and confused by your magic letter R.

The post where we discussed spending? You agreed with spending cuts.....but like every R in America, avoided the obvious need for massive tax hikes.

That's not conservative. That's what toddler libs do, who don't want to pay for the stuff the .gov gives them.

I have not changed -- I've been a Conservative (R) my entire life, influenced by William Buckley, Pat Buchanan, Reagan, McCain, Dole & the Bushes, & I still am.

That's not what changed. What changed is you now have a complete inability to criticize anyone with a R by their name. You didn't have this problem at laxpower.

I don't know how much clearer I can be: if you didn't claim to be sick of both parties, and didn't claim that you were worried about "weaponizing government" to go after politicians.....and make these claims MULTIPLE times? I wouldn't have given you a second thought, and you could make your "Dems are bad" posts until hell freezes over.

Trump is finishing returning the GOP to the party of Reagan/Buchanan from the NeoCon elites.

No he isn't, that's you, once again, being mesmerized by the letter R, and buying the BS right wing media has been sellingy ou.

He's making the elites richer than ever, while F'ing the working class. And he'll do it again if you let him. He kept us in Afghanistan and kept playing global cop by hitting ISIS....neo-con all the way. Fancy lies in speeches don't negate your ACTUAL policies, sorry.

Obama was a neo-con....didn't matter what he said...he kept us in Afghanistan, and droned everything that moved. Neo-Con.

Things have changed since LaxPower days. I'm no longer a moderator & I don't have to moderate what I post. I can express my opinions.
The entire political discourse has changed, including in this forum. It's become like social media.
The fringes of both parties have taken over. Moderates are harder to find. When forced to choose, I choose the (R) option.
I find much of your progressive, leftist agenda, to be coercive, impractical & doomed to fail.

Biden & Trump have both busted the budgets with massive deficit spending. The (R)'s are the only ones willing to consider spending cuts or entitlement reform. Your MASSIVE tax hikes will kill the economy. I don't trust politicians of either party with more tax revenues, especially the (self-described) socialist Dems, until/unless they cut spending & reform unsustainable entitlements. We haven't seen anything like Simpson-Bowles since LP days.

I'd love to be able to cut defense spending, re-balance our global force posture & leverage our allies to do more in our shared defense.
Under Biden, our adversaries sense weakness & are fomenting conflict in more regions than we can effectively counter.
We're having to spend more on defense, just to arm our allies while depleting our own strategic reserves.
I can see the real possibility of strategic failures in Europe, the mideast & the western Pacific....& that's not scare mongering.
As much as we might like, we can't withdraw from our leadership position. We have to lead from a position of strength, not weakness.

Biden's meddling in Israel's tactical military operations is unprecedented & is prolonging the war. He's blocking the IDF from going into Raffah & ending the war because he's afraid of losing MI, MN & other Arab voting blocs.

The Dems open border scheme is a sham that subverts our immigration laws & makes a mockery of our asylum process. Obama & Trump tried to enforce our immigration laws. Biden is using every device in his power to subvert them. It has resulted in chaos, with no control over who is entering our country & running free.

We're not exploiting our resources, while the Dems mandate unproven & impractical green schemes that the public will not accept & are doomed to failure. Biden drained the SPR just to reduce pump prices a few cents/gallon before the midterm election, despite the prospect of war in the ME.
His endless student loan schemes are blatant vote buying & clearly unconstitutional.

Good faith attempts at bipartisanship like what Speaker Johnson just pulled off are claimed as Biden's accomplishments.
If the IC convinced Johnson why we need to continue funding an open ended proxy war in Ukraine, when is Biden going to share that with the US public & lay out a coherent strategy, if he has one ?

[cradleandshoot]

Too long & tedious to respond to, point by point.

You say the same thing every time you can't refute points. Or you run away. Every time.

I'll just say. I read (often without comment) all sorts of posts & links/quotes that I do not agree with.
By your standard, you'd call them trolling, if you disagree with them.
I don't hear you complaining about Seacoaster, JHU72, dis, kismet & others trolling, I'm not,
yet they post & link just as much partisan stuff as I do.

Wow, you really don't pay attention.

You don't know why? Because they didn't come on claiming to despise both parties as you did in the Laxpower days. THAT is why.

You were evenhanded. You called out R BS. If you had been honest, and told me you hate libs, think they're ruining the country, and that the Dems never ever do anything right? I would never have issues with you. I would simply drop you in the category I put Brookie or DocB in.....insufferable partisans who root for the letter D or R no matter what happens on Earth.


It ain't my fault you don't remember you made these claims to me. And in my very last post you pretended to not read? I explained this to you DIRECTLY.

Over 74 million people voted for Trump (& I was not one of them). You need to be more tolerant of those who disagree with you.

I'm the most tolerant person on the board. Vote For R's routinely. And compared with you, I'm an actual conservative who isn't mesmerized and confused by your magic letter R.

The post where we discussed spending? You agreed with spending cuts.....but like every R in America, avoided the obvious need for massive tax hikes.

That's not conservative. That's what toddler libs do, who don't want to pay for the stuff the .gov gives them.

I have not changed -- I've been a Conservative (R) my entire life, influenced by William Buckley, Pat Buchanan, Reagan, McCain, Dole & the Bushes, & I still am.

That's not what changed. What changed is you now have a complete inability to criticize anyone with a R by their name. You didn't have this problem at laxpower.

I don't know how much clearer I can be: if you didn't claim to be sick of both parties, and didn't claim that you were worried about "weaponizing government" to go after politicians.....and make these claims MULTIPLE times? I wouldn't have given you a second thought, and you could make your "Dems are bad" posts until hell freezes over.

Trump is finishing returning the GOP to the party of Reagan/Buchanan from the NeoCon elites.

No he isn't, that's you, once again, being mesmerized by the letter R, and buying the BS right wing media has been sellingy ou.

He's making the elites richer than ever, while F'ing the working class. And he'll do it again if you let him. He kept us in Afghanistan and kept playing global cop by hitting ISIS....neo-con all the way. Fancy lies in speeches don't negate your ACTUAL policies, sorry.

Obama was a neo-con....didn't matter what he said...he kept us in Afghanistan, and droned everything that moved. Neo-Con.

Things have changed since LaxPower days. I'm no longer a moderator & I don't have to moderate what I post. I can express my opinions.
The entire political discourse has changed, including in this forum. It's become like social media.
The fringes of both parties have taken over. Moderates are harder to find. When forced to choose, I choose the (R) option.
I find much of your progressive, leftist agenda, to be coercive, impractical & doomed to fail.

Biden & Trump have both busted the budgets with massive deficit spending. The (R)'s are the only ones willing to consider spending cuts or entitlement reform. Your MASSIVE tax hikes will kill the economy. I don't trust politicians of either party with more tax revenues, especially the (self-described) socialist Dems, until/unless they cut spending & reform unsustainable entitlements. We haven't seen anything like Simpson-Bowles since LP days.

I'd love to be able to cut defense spending, re-balance our global force posture & leverage our allies to do more in our shared defense.
Under Biden, our adversaries sense weakness & are fomenting conflict in more regions than we can effectively counter.
We're having to spend more on defense, just to arm our allies while depleting our own strategic reserves.
I can see the real possibility of strategic failures in Europe, the mideast & the western Pacific....& that's not scare mongering.
As much as we might like, we can't withdraw from our leadership position. We have to lead from a position of strength, not weakness.

Biden's meddling in Israel's tactical military operations is unprecedented & is prolonging the war. He's blocking the IDF from going into Raffah & ending the war because he's afraid of losing MI, MN & other Arab voting blocs.

The Dems open border scheme is a sham that subverts our immigration laws & makes a mockery of our asylum process. Obama & Trump tried to enforce our immigration laws. Biden is using every device in his power to subvert them. It has resulted in chaos, with no control over who is entering our country & running free.

We're not exploiting our resources, while the Dems mandate unproven & impractical green schemes that the public will not accept & are doomed to failure. Biden drained the SPR just to reduce pump prices a few cents/gallon before the midterm election, despite the prospect of war in the ME.
His endless student loan schemes are blatant vote buying & clearly unconstitutional.

Good faith attempts at bipartisanship like what Speaker Johnson just pulled off are claimed as Biden's accomplishments.
If the IC convinced Johnson why we need to continue funding an open ended proxy war in Ukraine, when is Biden going to share that with the US public & lay out a coherent strategy, if he has one ?

One problem DFJ will have to overcome in November (one of many) is his complete failure at pretending to secure the southern border. He opened the floodgates to humiliate trumps attempt to enforce the border. His people think they can blame DFJs failure on trump. That dog won't hunt come this fall. To quote Forest Gumps mom...stupid is as stupid does. Who does stupid better than DFJ?

[youthathletics]

Meghan has a point....and seemingly, many, even around here, are cool with this: We provide so many liberties, that its come to a point where we tolerate damned near anything.

https://x.com/MeghanMcCain/status/1786084597748384254

[Seacoaster(1)]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... ents-nypd/

"More than a quarter of protesters arrested Tuesday at Columbia University and 60 percent of those arrested at the City College of New York had no connections to the institutions, according to data from the New York Police Department.

Police arrested 282 protesters at the two New York schools on Tuesday. Of the 112 arrested at Columbia, 32 were not affiliated with the school, according to police. At CCNY, police said 102 of the 170 arrested there were not affiliated with that school.

More than 2,000 people have been arrested since last month, when the arrests of pro-Palestinian protesters at Columbia set off a wave of activism at college campuses across the country.

New York Mayor Eric Adams and law enforcement officials had previously said that “outside agitators” were co-opting protests in the city, which escalated this week when people barricaded themselves in Columbia’s Hamilton Hall, an academic building on the university’s Morningside Heights campus. Columbia officials had said the occupation was led by protesters who were not affiliated with the university.

About 40 percent of those arrested at Columbia on Tuesday were occupying the university’s Hamilton Hall, according to school officials. Thirteen of those protesters were unaffiliated with Columbia or other universities, university spokesman Ben Chang said Thursday during a news briefing.

Of the other protesters arrested in Hamilton Hall, 14 were Columbia undergraduate students, nine were graduate students, six were students at affiliated institutions and two were university employees, Chang said. Forty-four protesters were arrested in the hall in total.

“The numbers shared by the NYPD about arrests made on April 30 reflect the expectations we had regarding the occupation of Hamilton Hall,” Chang said on Thursday.

Police officers in riot gear cleared Hamilton Hall on Tuesday night. Officers on Tuesday also arrested protesters about a mile north at the City College of New York.

University leaders, politicians and members of law enforcement said repeatedly that protests at both locations were being influenced by outside agitators — claims disputed by some students and faculty members.

Rebecca Weiner, the police department’s deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism, said on Tuesday that officers observed an escalation in tactics at Columbia on Monday night, including people scaling buildings, creating barricades with furniture and destroying cameras.

“We think these tactics are a result of guidance that’s being given to students from some of these external actors,” she said.

Adams said on Wednesday that even if the majority of protesters were students, “you don’t have to be the majority to influence and co-opt an operation.”

Some students and faculty strongly denied that protests were being escalated by those outside the universities.

Columbia history professor Mae Ngai told Al Jazeera that protests at the university were led by students and that politicians were the outside agitators.

“They’re the outsiders trying to tell our university how to run its affairs,” she told the outlet.

Student protesters who spoke at a news conference Wednesday outside CCNY called the involvement of outside agitators a “myth.”

New York Police Commissioner Edward Caban said Tuesday that “professional outsiders” were putting students at risk by “exploiting” originally peaceful protests.

“We will never tolerate violence, property damage or the disruption of emergency services,” he said."

[PizzaSnake]

Meghan has a point....and seemingly, many, even around here, are cool with this: We provide so many liberties, that its come to a point where we tolerate damned near anything.

https://x.com/MeghanMcCain/status/1786084597748384254

And who determines what is tolerable, and what is beyond the pale? You, and that mouse in your pocket?

[cradleandshoot]

Meghan has a point....and seemingly, many, even around here, are cool with this: We provide so many liberties, that its come to a point where we tolerate damned near anything.

https://x.com/MeghanMcCain/status/1786084597748384254

I betcha if the Republicans are on the ball that picture will become prominent in attack ads against DFJ come this fall. Imagine if that flag was the stars and bars? The outrage and claims of hate speech would be off the charts.

[a fan]

Things have changed since LaxPower days. I'm no longer a moderator & I don't have to moderate what I post. I can express my opinions.

Holy moly. Do you have any idea how much consternation you could have saved both of us if you had told me this?

How many times did you tell me "I haven't changed"? Instead of telling me that you couldn't post freely at Laxpower?

Do you not understand what this looks like from where I sit?


It looks like you have COMPLETELY changed from where I sit....and the switch from Laxpower to here coincided with Trump's arrival. It ain't some huge leap in logic to conclude that like millions of Americans, you succumbed to Right Wing Media and Trumpism.

Get it?

So I'm reacting to this change and saying to myself: "I know the Laxpower Old Salt is in there somewhere, we just need to bring him out".

Get it?

This TOTALLY changes my understanding of your posts. Now I get that this current Old Salt is your true self, and you're simply a hardcore faithful to Party first Republican who despises what you consider to be liberals with every fiber of your being.

I'm cool with that. We've had dozens of you here. I'll poke fun, but won't go searching for the Laxpower Old Salt anymore.

Man, I wish you had copped to your inability to post what you wanted on Laxpower about 5 years ago. Would've saved us a ton of arguments.

This will change how we interact completely.

I find much of your progressive, leftist agenda, to be coercive, impractical & doomed to fail.

First of all, you do this all the time: you ignore that I'm to the center of you. My agenda is centrist. Know how you can tell it's centrist? Every other 1st world nation on Earth has these bennies. Yep, it's to the left of you. But like so many partisans, you're convinced that either there is no center, or you ARE the center. You're not the center, OS. You're the right.

But that's fine. The problem you're missing is: you don't have a substitute for my "agenda". So guess what the working class is going to do as the 1%ers and Coastal Libs continue to take more and more of America's GDP? They're going to vote their people in, and change things the way that they want.

You don't want to hear this, and that's fine. But your inability to provide any solutions to help the Working Class and Flyover America is what's doomed to fail. And the thing you don't get is: I WANT you to give me a conservative solution. I WANT you and your party to govern, and provide YOUR solutions to these issues.

Because what you've done for the last 24 or so years is: "I give up, so we'll do nothing but shovel more money to the rich". Look at alllll the solutions to problems your Party came up with in Decades past that 2024 Republicans like you would consider to be Commie Plots: founding of the EPA. Mileage requirements for US auto fleet. Reagan's expansion of Medicare.

You've stopped governing, and you and your fellow R voters haven't noticed. Again, this is why the gap between rich and poor is exploding.

What's more? You're plenty smart enough to know this.

Your MASSIVE tax hikes will kill the economy.

That's right. That's why your party keeps cutting them. You think it's smarter to pay more on the interest on debt than we spend educating our Children and Working Class. Why this makes sense to you is beyond my understanding, but, you do you......

I'd love to be able to cut defense spending, re-balance our global force posture & leverage our allies to do more in our shared defense.
Under Biden, our adversaries sense weakness & are fomenting conflict in more regions than we can effectively counter.
We're having to spend more on defense, just to arm our allies while depleting our own strategic reserves.

That's right. Neo-Con theory is REALLY expensive. We have to install guys like Bernie who will abandon this game BEFORE we cut military spending. We agree.

I can see the real possibility of strategic failures in Europe, the mideast & the western Pacific....& that's not scare mongering.
As much as we might like, we can't withdraw from our leadership position. We have to lead from a position of strength, not weakness.

Disagree. China is in free fall for the same reason Japan's economy has been a mess for DECADES: too many old people, not enough workers. A lack of immigration has severe economic consequences. Why do you think the US economy is still growing, while others are struggling? Immigrants.

The Dems open border scheme is a sham that subverts our immigration laws & makes a mockery of our asylum process. Obama & Trump tried to enforce our immigration laws. Biden is using every device in his power to subvert them. It has resulted in chaos, with no control over who is entering our country & running free.

We've had over 10 million illegal immigrants in America "with no control over who is entering our country & running free" long before Biden showed up.

We disagree here: you want to focus on the leaky tub faucet: I want to focus on the tub that's been spilling water on the bathroom floor for decades.

We're not exploiting our resources, while the Dems mandate unproven & impractical green schemes that the public will not accept & are doomed to failure. Biden drained the SPR just to reduce pump prices a few cents/gallon before the midterm election, despite the prospect of war in the ME.
His endless student loan schemes are blatant vote buying & clearly unconstitutional.

Good faith attempts at bipartisanship like what Speaker Johnson just pulled off are claimed as Biden's accomplishments.
If the IC convinced Johnson why we need to continue funding an open ended proxy war in Ukraine, when is Biden going to share that with the US public & lay out a coherent strategy, if he has one ?

This is all swell, and fair criticism. I just wish you'd hold YOUR Presidents to the same level of scrutiny that you hold the D's.

You don't. And you never will, just like millions of your fellow Republicans. And that's fine.

[PizzaSnake]

Things have changed since LaxPower days. I'm no longer a moderator & I don't have to moderate what I post. I can express my opinions.

Holy moly. Do you have any idea how much consternation you could have saved both of us if you had told me this?

How many times did you tell me "I haven't changed"? Instead of telling me that you couldn't post freely at Laxpower?

Do you not understand what this looks like from where I sit?


It looks like you have COMPLETELY changed from where I sit....and the switch from Laxpower to here coincided with Trump's arrival. It ain't some huge leap in logic to conclude that like millions of Americans, you succumbed to Right Wing Media and Trumpism.

Get it?

So I'm reacting to this change and saying to myself: "I know the Laxpower Old Salt is in there somewhere, we just need to bring him out".

Get it?

This TOTALLY changes my understanding of your posts. Now I get that this current Old Salt is your true self, and you're simply a hardcore faithful to Party first Republican who despises what you consider to be liberals with every fiber of your being.

I'm cool with that. We've had dozens of you here. I'll poke fun, but won't go searching for the Laxpower Old Salt anymore.

Man, I wish you had copped to your inability to post what you wanted on Laxpower about 5 years ago. Would've saved us a ton of arguments.

This will change how we interact completely.

I find much of your progressive, leftist agenda, to be coercive, impractical & doomed to fail.

First of all, you do this all the time: you ignore that I'm to the center of you. My agenda is centrist. Know how you can tell it's centrist? Every other 1st world nation on Earth has these bennies. Yep, it's to the left of you. But like so many partisans, you're convinced that either there is no center, or you ARE the center. You're not the center, OS. You're the right.

But that's fine. The problem you're missing is: you don't have a substitute for my "agenda". So guess what the working class is going to do as the 1%ers and Coastal Libs continue to take more and more of America's GDP? They're going to vote their people in, and change things the way that they want.

You don't want to hear this, and that's fine. But your inability to provide any solutions to help the Working Class and Flyover America is what's doomed to fail. And the thing you don't get is: I WANT you to give me a conservative solution. I WANT you and your party to govern, and provide YOUR solutions to these issues.

Because what you've done for the last 24 or so years is: "I give up, so we'll do nothing but shovel more money to the rich". Look at alllll the solutions to problems your Party came up with in Decades past that 2024 Republicans like you would consider to be Commie Plots: founding of the EPA. Mileage requirements for US auto fleet. Reagan's expansion of Medicare.

You've stopped governing, and you and your fellow R voters haven't noticed. Again, this is why the gap between rich and poor is exploding.

What's more? You're plenty smart enough to know this.

Your MASSIVE tax hikes will kill the economy.

That's right. That's why your party keeps cutting them. You think it's smarter to pay more on the interest on debt than we spend educating our Children and Working Class. Why this makes sense to you is beyond my understanding, but, you do you......

I'd love to be able to cut defense spending, re-balance our global force posture & leverage our allies to do more in our shared defense.
Under Biden, our adversaries sense weakness & are fomenting conflict in more regions than we can effectively counter.
We're having to spend more on defense, just to arm our allies while depleting our own strategic reserves.

That's right. Neo-Con theory is REALLY expensive. We have to install guys like Bernie who will abandon this game BEFORE we cut military spending. We agree.

I can see the real possibility of strategic failures in Europe, the mideast & the western Pacific....& that's not scare mongering.
As much as we might like, we can't withdraw from our leadership position. We have to lead from a position of strength, not weakness.

Disagree. China is in free fall for the same reason Japan's economy has been a mess for DECADES: too many old people, not enough workers. A lack of immigration has severe economic consequences. Why do you think the US economy is still growing, while others are struggling? Immigrants.

The Dems open border scheme is a sham that subverts our immigration laws & makes a mockery of our asylum process. Obama & Trump tried to enforce our immigration laws. Biden is using every device in his power to subvert them. It has resulted in chaos, with no control over who is entering our country & running free.

We've had over 10 million illegal immigrants in America "with no control over who is entering our country & running free" long before Biden showed up.

We disagree here: you want to focus on the leaky tub faucet: I want to focus on the tub that's been spilling water on the bathroom floor for decades.

We're not exploiting our resources, while the Dems mandate unproven & impractical green schemes that the public will not accept & are doomed to failure. Biden drained the SPR just to reduce pump prices a few cents/gallon before the midterm election, despite the prospect of war in the ME.
His endless student loan schemes are blatant vote buying & clearly unconstitutional.

Good faith attempts at bipartisanship like what Speaker Johnson just pulled off are claimed as Biden's accomplishments.
If the IC convinced Johnson why we need to continue funding an open ended proxy war in Ukraine, when is Biden going to share that with the US public & lay out a coherent strategy, if he has one ?

This is all swell, and fair criticism. I just wish you'd hold YOUR Presidents to the same level of scrutiny that you hold the D's.

You don't. And you never will, just like millions of your fellow Republicans. And that's fine.

Maybe 10M, maybe not. Unknowable how many given the parlous state of immigration policy since, well, day fcuking one of this blessed union…

A more interesting question than simple enumeration would be: “why is the policy and enforcement the way it is!” Answer that and things come into focus.

In the vein of haplessness, consider interdictive drug policy. Hasn’t worked, can’t work, and won’t work. So, why does it persist? To whose benefit?