Landmark Conference 2024

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LaxCommish1981
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Re: Landmark Conference 2024

Post by LaxCommish1981 »

nevadajoe wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:58 am Nevada Joe's All-Conference selections.

FIRST TEAM
ATTACK
Brennan Lorrence JR Susquehanna
Riley Langen GR Elizabethtown
Matthew McAree SR Scranton
MIDFIELD
Alex Eglitis SR Scranton
Charlie Collins JR Drew
Aaron Judge JR Moravian
DEFENSE
Colin Pierce GR Scranton
Zach Palinkas JR Scranton
Mike Tayloe JR Catholic
LSM
Ted Zaborowski SR Susquehanna
SSDM
Connor Stewart SR Elizabethtown
FACEOFF
Ryan Macksoud JR Catholic
GOALIE
Jozef Korpics SR Susquehanna


SECOND TEAM
ATTACK
Victor Rosado JR Catholic
Gavin Gismondi SR Elizabethtown
Trevor Dzama SR Moravian
MIDFIELD
Joe Boyle SR Scranton
Matthew Faggioli JR Susquehanna
Brett Spafford SR Drew
DEFENSE
Aidan Kennedy JR Susquehanna
Ben Clark JR Elizabethtown
Sean Nolan SR Goucher
LSM
Andrew Lord SR Scranton
SSDM
Aden Moskovitz JR Moravian
FACEOFF
TJ Chapman SR Elizabethtown
GOALIE
Brayden Franey SR Elizabethtown

OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Brennan Lorrence - Susquehanna
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Colin Pierce - Scranton
COACHING STAFF OF THE YEAR - Susquehanna - Head Coach Stewart Moan
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR - Myles McCutcheon - Scranton

Always love the break down and perspective you give and in agreement with the majority of your analysis. When I see ALL CONFERENCE awards I weight everything on Conference play.

Some schools can craft non league schedules to pile up wins/stats against sub par and lackluster opponents and some teams like Scranton and Elizabethtown play tough Non Con opponents to prepare for league play.

When breaking down Offensive Player of the year, and you compare Lorrence to Langen, the formers numbers don't add up to MVP. Goal scorer yes.... but MVP#s are questionable when you break it down.

Take all games for example:

Lorrence. 55G 6A 61pts 151shots

Langen. 25G 28A. 53 pts. Only 69 shots

They both had almost identical sh% and SOG% in all game stats. Langen sat 1 full game with an injury and was used for a couple games sparingly to rest for Conference play. Lorrence Put up an amazing 55G but only 6 A for means he is looking off open men.

Numbers get Crazy when you look at Conference Only stats .... which a "Conference MVP Award" in most voting circles should carry the weight.

Conference Game stats

Lorrence. 33G. 5A. 38pts on 86 shots

Langen. 22G. 19A 41pts. On 46 shots

Incredibly Langen put up more points on about 1/2 the shots that Lorrence took. He also had a league Leading 4.56 Ppg. In Conference play. To Lorrence at 4.22 ppg.

But the difference in shooting percentage was dramatic. Lorrence with a commendable .384 and Langen .478 which is a Madden like number If you created a player in a video game....

Also looking at game by game stats Langen sat the 2nd half of many blowouts so didn't feast off the lesser opponents. Lorrence logged way more 2nd half minutes.

They are 2 completely different styles of player. 1 is playing for Goals and taking unlimited shots and the other puts up league leading stats while playing to make others around him better.

Lorrennce is in top 3 in shots taken across the entire league and Langen isn't even in top 10 showing he does his damage far more efficiently.

So if Voting on "non league stats" you go with Lorrence if you can ignore the huge number of shots it took him to get them.

If Voting on best "Conference stats" then is skews to Langen.....

In Head to Head match up this past weekend Lorrence 1 G. Langen 3 Assists in a game that should have been won by Etown but Susquehanna capitalized on a huge coaching error at the end of the game. For whatever reason it appears he had a freshman in the game and Didn't use a time out to preserve a lead with 1 minute left.... Freshman took a shot with no back up because team was in a keep it wide timekilling formation.... you can't make this stuff up.

Last item I'd add....

Joel Maragato will certainly be in the discussion for defensive player of the year as well. Moved from LSM to Close D and has been the biggest eraser in the league. Lorrence had 0 goals Head to head vs Maragato in on ball matchups he did have a great goal on a broken play after a oenalty released though. Similarly Maragato has drawn cover 1 on every teams offensive stud and played amazing.

Looking forward to seeing how these Coaches vote.

It's going to be a crazy ride in semis this year.
Bananas4Laxx
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Re: Landmark Conference 2024

Post by Bananas4Laxx »

LaxCommish1981 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:38 pm
nevadajoe wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:58 am Nevada Joe's All-Conference selections.

FIRST TEAM
ATTACK
Brennan Lorrence JR Susquehanna
Riley Langen GR Elizabethtown
Matthew McAree SR Scranton
MIDFIELD
Alex Eglitis SR Scranton
Charlie Collins JR Drew
Aaron Judge JR Moravian
DEFENSE
Colin Pierce GR Scranton
Zach Palinkas JR Scranton
Mike Tayloe JR Catholic
LSM
Ted Zaborowski SR Susquehanna
SSDM
Connor Stewart SR Elizabethtown
FACEOFF
Ryan Macksoud JR Catholic
GOALIE
Jozef Korpics SR Susquehanna


SECOND TEAM
ATTACK
Victor Rosado JR Catholic
Gavin Gismondi SR Elizabethtown
Trevor Dzama SR Moravian
MIDFIELD
Joe Boyle SR Scranton
Matthew Faggioli JR Susquehanna
Brett Spafford SR Drew
DEFENSE
Aidan Kennedy JR Susquehanna
Ben Clark JR Elizabethtown
Sean Nolan SR Goucher
LSM
Andrew Lord SR Scranton
SSDM
Aden Moskovitz JR Moravian
FACEOFF
TJ Chapman SR Elizabethtown
GOALIE
Brayden Franey SR Elizabethtown

OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Brennan Lorrence - Susquehanna
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Colin Pierce - Scranton
COACHING STAFF OF THE YEAR - Susquehanna - Head Coach Stewart Moan
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR - Myles McCutcheon - Scranton

Always love the break down and perspective you give and in agreement with the majority of your analysis. When I see ALL CONFERENCE awards I weight everything on Conference play.

Some schools can craft non league schedules to pile up wins/stats against sub par and lackluster opponents and some teams like Scranton and Elizabethtown play tough Non Con opponents to prepare for league play.

When breaking down Offensive Player of the year, and you compare Lorrence to Langen, the formers numbers don't add up to MVP. Goal scorer yes.... but MVP#s are questionable when you break it down.

Take all games for example:

Lorrence. 55G 6A 61pts 151shots

Langen. 25G 28A. 53 pts. Only 69 shots

They both had almost identical sh% and SOG% in all game stats. Langen sat 1 full game with an injury and was used for a couple games sparingly to rest for Conference play. Lorrence Put up an amazing 55G but only 6 A for means he is looking off open men.

Numbers get Crazy when you look at Conference Only stats .... which a "Conference MVP Award" in most voting circles should carry the weight.

Conference Game stats

Lorrence. 33G. 5A. 38pts on 86 shots

Langen. 22G. 19A 41pts. On 46 shots

Incredibly Langen put up more points on about 1/2 the shots that Lorrence took. He also had a league Leading 4.56 Ppg. In Conference play. To Lorrence at 4.22 ppg.

But the difference in shooting percentage was dramatic. Lorrence with a commendable .384 and Langen .478 which is a Madden like number If you created a player in a video game....

Also looking at game by game stats Langen sat the 2nd half of many blowouts so didn't feast off the lesser opponents. Lorrence logged way more 2nd half minutes.

They are 2 completely different styles of player. 1 is playing for Goals and taking unlimited shots and the other puts up league leading stats while playing to make others around him better.

Lorrennce is in top 3 in shots taken across the entire league and Langen isn't even in top 10 showing he does his damage far more efficiently.

So if Voting on "non league stats" you go with Lorrence if you can ignore the huge number of shots it took him to get them.

If Voting on best "Conference stats" then is skews to Langen.....

In Head to Head match up this past weekend Lorrence 1 G. Langen 3 Assists in a game that should have been won by Etown but Susquehanna capitalized on a huge coaching error at the end of the game. For whatever reason it appears he had a freshman in the game and Didn't use a time out to preserve a lead with 1 minute left.... Freshman took a shot with no back up because team was in a keep it wide timekilling formation.... you can't make this stuff up.

Last item I'd add....

Joel Maragato will certainly be in the discussion for defensive player of the year as well. Moved from LSM to Close D and has been the biggest eraser in the league. Lorrence had 0 goals Head to head vs Maragato in on ball matchups he did have a great goal on a broken play after a oenalty released though. Similarly Maragato has drawn cover 1 on every teams offensive stud and played amazing.

Looking forward to seeing how these Coaches vote.

It's going to be a crazy ride in semis this year.
Hope you know Landmark coaches do not factor in lax forum posts advocating for your son or team when nominating for conference POY
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Re: Landmark Conference 2024

Post by Bots Tavern »

LaxCommish1981 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:38 pm
nevadajoe wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:58 am Nevada Joe's All-Conference selections.

FIRST TEAM
ATTACK
Brennan Lorrence JR Susquehanna
Riley Langen GR Elizabethtown
Matthew McAree SR Scranton
MIDFIELD
Alex Eglitis SR Scranton
Charlie Collins JR Drew
Aaron Judge JR Moravian
DEFENSE
Colin Pierce GR Scranton
Zach Palinkas JR Scranton
Mike Tayloe JR Catholic
LSM
Ted Zaborowski SR Susquehanna
SSDM
Connor Stewart SR Elizabethtown
FACEOFF
Ryan Macksoud JR Catholic
GOALIE
Jozef Korpics SR Susquehanna


SECOND TEAM
ATTACK
Victor Rosado JR Catholic
Gavin Gismondi SR Elizabethtown
Trevor Dzama SR Moravian
MIDFIELD
Joe Boyle SR Scranton
Matthew Faggioli JR Susquehanna
Brett Spafford SR Drew
DEFENSE
Aidan Kennedy JR Susquehanna
Ben Clark JR Elizabethtown
Sean Nolan SR Goucher
LSM
Andrew Lord SR Scranton
SSDM
Aden Moskovitz JR Moravian
FACEOFF
TJ Chapman SR Elizabethtown
GOALIE
Brayden Franey SR Elizabethtown

OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Brennan Lorrence - Susquehanna
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Colin Pierce - Scranton
COACHING STAFF OF THE YEAR - Susquehanna - Head Coach Stewart Moan
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR - Myles McCutcheon - Scranton

Always love the break down and perspective you give and in agreement with the majority of your analysis. When I see ALL CONFERENCE awards I weight everything on Conference play.

Some schools can craft non league schedules to pile up wins/stats against sub par and lackluster opponents and some teams like Scranton and Elizabethtown play tough Non Con opponents to prepare for league play.

When breaking down Offensive Player of the year, and you compare Lorrence to Langen, the formers numbers don't add up to MVP. Goal scorer yes.... but MVP#s are questionable when you break it down.

Take all games for example:

Lorrence. 55G 6A 61pts 151shots

Langen. 25G 28A. 53 pts. Only 69 shots

They both had almost identical sh% and SOG% in all game stats. Langen sat 1 full game with an injury and was used for a couple games sparingly to rest for Conference play. Lorrence Put up an amazing 55G but only 6 A for means he is looking off open men.

Numbers get Crazy when you look at Conference Only stats .... which a "Conference MVP Award" in most voting circles should carry the weight.

Conference Game stats

Lorrence. 33G. 5A. 38pts on 86 shots

Langen. 22G. 19A 41pts. On 46 shots

Incredibly Langen put up more points on about 1/2 the shots that Lorrence took. He also had a league Leading 4.56 Ppg. In Conference play. To Lorrence at 4.22 ppg.

But the difference in shooting percentage was dramatic. Lorrence with a commendable .384 and Langen .478 which is a Madden like number If you created a player in a video game....

Also looking at game by game stats Langen sat the 2nd half of many blowouts so didn't feast off the lesser opponents. Lorrence logged way more 2nd half minutes.

They are 2 completely different styles of player. 1 is playing for Goals and taking unlimited shots and the other puts up league leading stats while playing to make others around him better.

Lorrennce is in top 3 in shots taken across the entire league and Langen isn't even in top 10 showing he does his damage far more efficiently.

So if Voting on "non league stats" you go with Lorrence if you can ignore the huge number of shots it took him to get them.

If Voting on best "Conference stats" then is skews to Langen.....

In Head to Head match up this past weekend Lorrence 1 G. Langen 3 Assists in a game that should have been won by Etown but Susquehanna capitalized on a huge coaching error at the end of the game. For whatever reason it appears he had a freshman in the game and Didn't use a time out to preserve a lead with 1 minute left.... Freshman took a shot with no back up because team was in a keep it wide timekilling formation.... you can't make this stuff up.

Last item I'd add....

Joel Maragato will certainly be in the discussion for defensive player of the year as well. Moved from LSM to Close D and has been the biggest eraser in the league. Lorrence had 0 goals Head to head vs Maragato in on ball matchups he did have a great goal on a broken play after a oenalty released though. Similarly Maragato has drawn cover 1 on every teams offensive stud and played amazing.

Looking forward to seeing how these Coaches vote.

It's going to be a crazy ride in semis this year.
Watch both team’s play. Susquehanna’s offense falls off a cliff if Lorence isn’t there. He is their only true initiator from the attack, is huge in the ride + clear, and most prominently, can take over games (IE: 7 goal performance vs. Catholic).

Etown draws slides attacking from the wings + up top, moves it to Langen at X, and Langen throws adjacent passes or feeds the crease to great finishers such as Gismondi and Kondracki. You’re comparing a Kobe-style volume shooter to a Steve Nash-style surgical quarterback, and then saying Steve Nash is better because he has a higher shooting percentage (scoring layups). I suggest you watch some lacrosse before spewing nonsensical, confirmation bias driven stats all over the forum. I’d also add the Lorence has been shut off on multiple occassions this year, skewing his numbers lower.

Focusing only when these guys played the other best teams in the conference (Susqu, Etown, Catholic, Scranton), they both had 11 points. Lorence with 11 goals, a majority of which were unassisted, vs. Langen’s 5 goals and 7 assists, which included a couple adjacent passes to great shooters. Gismondi and Kondraki have 40 and 32 goals, respectively. Susquehanna’s leading goal scorer behind Lorence (55 goals) is Nick Remund with 23 goals.

Lastly, watch the 4th quarter of Susquehanna vs Catholic and tell me Brennan Lorence is not the best offensive player in the conference.
LaxCommish1981
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Re: Landmark Conference 2024

Post by LaxCommish1981 »

Bots Tavern wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:13 pm
LaxCommish1981 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:38 pm
nevadajoe wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:58 am Nevada Joe's All-Conference selections.

FIRST TEAM
ATTACK
Brennan Lorrence JR Susquehanna
Riley Langen GR Elizabethtown
Matthew McAree SR Scranton
MIDFIELD
Alex Eglitis SR Scranton
Charlie Collins JR Drew
Aaron Judge JR Moravian
DEFENSE
Colin Pierce GR Scranton
Zach Palinkas JR Scranton
Mike Tayloe JR Catholic
LSM
Ted Zaborowski SR Susquehanna
SSDM
Connor Stewart SR Elizabethtown
FACEOFF
Ryan Macksoud JR Catholic
GOALIE
Jozef Korpics SR Susquehanna


SECOND TEAM
ATTACK
Victor Rosado JR Catholic
Gavin Gismondi SR Elizabethtown
Trevor Dzama SR Moravian
MIDFIELD
Joe Boyle SR Scranton
Matthew Faggioli JR Susquehanna
Brett Spafford SR Drew
DEFENSE
Aidan Kennedy JR Susquehanna
Ben Clark JR Elizabethtown
Sean Nolan SR Goucher
LSM
Andrew Lord SR Scranton
SSDM
Aden Moskovitz JR Moravian
FACEOFF
TJ Chapman SR Elizabethtown
GOALIE
Brayden Franey SR Elizabethtown

OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Brennan Lorrence - Susquehanna
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Colin Pierce - Scranton
COACHING STAFF OF THE YEAR - Susquehanna - Head Coach Stewart Moan
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR - Myles McCutcheon - Scranton

Always love the break down and perspective you give and in agreement with the majority of your analysis. When I see ALL CONFERENCE awards I weight everything on Conference play.

Some schools can craft non league schedules to pile up wins/stats against sub par and lackluster opponents and some teams like Scranton and Elizabethtown play tough Non Con opponents to prepare for league play.

When breaking down Offensive Player of the year, and you compare Lorrence to Langen, the formers numbers don't add up to MVP. Goal scorer yes.... but MVP#s are questionable when you break it down.

Take all games for example:

Lorrence. 55G 6A 61pts 151shots

Langen. 25G 28A. 53 pts. Only 69 shots

They both had almost identical sh% and SOG% in all game stats. Langen sat 1 full game with an injury and was used for a couple games sparingly to rest for Conference play. Lorrence Put up an amazing 55G but only 6 A for means he is looking off open men.

Numbers get Crazy when you look at Conference Only stats .... which a "Conference MVP Award" in most voting circles should carry the weight.

Conference Game stats

Lorrence. 33G. 5A. 38pts on 86 shots

Langen. 22G. 19A 41pts. On 46 shots

Incredibly Langen put up more points on about 1/2 the shots that Lorrence took. He also had a league Leading 4.56 Ppg. In Conference play. To Lorrence at 4.22 ppg.

But the difference in shooting percentage was dramatic. Lorrence with a commendable .384 and Langen .478 which is a Madden like number If you created a player in a video game....

Also looking at game by game stats Langen sat the 2nd half of many blowouts so didn't feast off the lesser opponents. Lorrence logged way more 2nd half minutes.

They are 2 completely different styles of player. 1 is playing for Goals and taking unlimited shots and the other puts up league leading stats while playing to make others around him better.

Lorrennce is in top 3 in shots taken across the entire league and Langen isn't even in top 10 showing he does his damage far more efficiently.

So if Voting on "non league stats" you go with Lorrence if you can ignore the huge number of shots it took him to get them.

If Voting on best "Conference stats" then is skews to Langen.....

In Head to Head match up this past weekend Lorrence 1 G. Langen 3 Assists in a game that should have been won by Etown but Susquehanna capitalized on a huge coaching error at the end of the game. For whatever reason it appears he had a freshman in the game and Didn't use a time out to preserve a lead with 1 minute left.... Freshman took a shot with no back up because team was in a keep it wide timekilling formation.... you can't make this stuff up.

Last item I'd add....

Joel Maragato will certainly be in the discussion for defensive player of the year as well. Moved from LSM to Close D and has been the biggest eraser in the league. Lorrence had 0 goals Head to head vs Maragato in on ball matchups he did have a great goal on a broken play after a oenalty released though. Similarly Maragato has drawn cover 1 on every teams offensive stud and played amazing.

Looking forward to seeing how these Coaches vote.

It's going to be a crazy ride in semis this year.
Watch both team’s play. Susquehanna’s offense falls off a cliff if Lorence isn’t there. He is their only true initiator from the attack, is huge in the ride + clear, and most prominently, can take over games (IE: 7 goal performance vs. Catholic).

Etown draws slides attacking from the wings + up top, moves it to Langen at X, and Langen throws adjacent passes or feeds the crease to great finishers such as Gismondi and Kondracki. You’re comparing a Kobe-style volume shooter to a Steve Nash-style surgical quarterback, and then saying Steve Nash is better because he has a higher shooting percentage (scoring layups). I suggest you watch some lacrosse before spewing nonsensical, confirmation bias driven stats all over the forum. I’d also add the Lorence has been shut off on multiple occassions this year, skewing his numbers lower.

Focusing only when these guys played the other best teams in the conference (Susqu, Etown, Catholic, Scranton), they both had 11 points. Lorence with 11 goals, a majority of which were unassisted, vs. Langen’s 5 goals and 7 assists, which included a couple adjacent passes to great shooters. Gismondi and Kondraki have 40 and 32 goals, respectively. Susquehanna’s leading goal scorer behind Lorence (55 goals) is Nick Remund with 23 goals.

Lastly, watch the 4th quarter of Susquehanna vs Catholic and tell me Brennan Lorence is not the best offensive player in the conference.

Bots,
Some great points. I didn't look at it that way and the Nash analogy makes sense. And definitely looking at stats against Best 4 teams is a good way to filter some of the distortion from any weak non league and especially less talented in league games.

If I had to draft a team I'd have them on the same line.... goes without saying.

Breaking out stats as a function of points to shots is another thing that's pretty wild. Last year Jack Boyden at Tufts averaged over a PT per shot. Meaning for any shot he missed a goal on he found a way to pick up enough assists to cover the miss. To have a positive point to shot Ave. Almost unheard of.

Sometimes feeder vs. shooter is a chicken vs. the egg scenario... who is making who better.


Anyway. Last couple of years Offensive MVP is goal scoring. Crapanzano shared it because of goals. Year before Owen Yake broke a scoring record and had only maybe 5 assists....

Most exciting game of the year I watched online prior to this past weekends River hawk comeback (on the nonsense sellout Flo App) was the Susquehanna comeback over Catholic. And yes Lorrence willed them back into that one. Couldn't miss.

Like I said it's going to be a wilder ride this year.
LaxCommish1981
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Re: Landmark Conference 2024

Post by LaxCommish1981 »

Bots Tavern wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:13 pm
LaxCommish1981 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:38 pm
nevadajoe wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 8:58 am Nevada Joe's All-Conference selections.

FIRST TEAM
ATTACK
Brennan Lorrence JR Susquehanna
Riley Langen GR Elizabethtown
Matthew McAree SR Scranton
MIDFIELD
Alex Eglitis SR Scranton
Charlie Collins JR Drew
Aaron Judge JR Moravian
DEFENSE
Colin Pierce GR Scranton
Zach Palinkas JR Scranton
Mike Tayloe JR Catholic
LSM
Ted Zaborowski SR Susquehanna
SSDM
Connor Stewart SR Elizabethtown
FACEOFF
Ryan Macksoud JR Catholic
GOALIE
Jozef Korpics SR Susquehanna


SECOND TEAM
ATTACK
Victor Rosado JR Catholic
Gavin Gismondi SR Elizabethtown
Trevor Dzama SR Moravian
MIDFIELD
Joe Boyle SR Scranton
Matthew Faggioli JR Susquehanna
Brett Spafford SR Drew
DEFENSE
Aidan Kennedy JR Susquehanna
Ben Clark JR Elizabethtown
Sean Nolan SR Goucher
LSM
Andrew Lord SR Scranton
SSDM
Aden Moskovitz JR Moravian
FACEOFF
TJ Chapman SR Elizabethtown
GOALIE
Brayden Franey SR Elizabethtown

OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Brennan Lorrence - Susquehanna
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Colin Pierce - Scranton
COACHING STAFF OF THE YEAR - Susquehanna - Head Coach Stewart Moan
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR - Myles McCutcheon - Scranton

Always love the break down and perspective you give and in agreement with the majority of your analysis. When I see ALL CONFERENCE awards I weight everything on Conference play.

Some schools can craft non league schedules to pile up wins/stats against sub par and lackluster opponents and some teams like Scranton and Elizabethtown play tough Non Con opponents to prepare for league play.

When breaking down Offensive Player of the year, and you compare Lorrence to Langen, the formers numbers don't add up to MVP. Goal scorer yes.... but MVP#s are questionable when you break it down.

Take all games for example:

Lorrence. 55G 6A 61pts 151shots

Langen. 25G 28A. 53 pts. Only 69 shots

They both had almost identical sh% and SOG% in all game stats. Langen sat 1 full game with an injury and was used for a couple games sparingly to rest for Conference play. Lorrence Put up an amazing 55G but only 6 A for means he is looking off open men.

Numbers get Crazy when you look at Conference Only stats .... which a "Conference MVP Award" in most voting circles should carry the weight.

Conference Game stats

Lorrence. 33G. 5A. 38pts on 86 shots

Langen. 22G. 19A 41pts. On 46 shots

Incredibly Langen put up more points on about 1/2 the shots that Lorrence took. He also had a league Leading 4.56 Ppg. In Conference play. To Lorrence at 4.22 ppg.

But the difference in shooting percentage was dramatic. Lorrence with a commendable .384 and Langen .478 which is a Madden like number If you created a player in a video game....

Also looking at game by game stats Langen sat the 2nd half of many blowouts so didn't feast off the lesser opponents. Lorrence logged way more 2nd half minutes.

They are 2 completely different styles of player. 1 is playing for Goals and taking unlimited shots and the other puts up league leading stats while playing to make others around him better.

Lorrennce is in top 3 in shots taken across the entire league and Langen isn't even in top 10 showing he does his damage far more efficiently.

So if Voting on "non league stats" you go with Lorrence if you can ignore the huge number of shots it took him to get them.

If Voting on best "Conference stats" then is skews to Langen.....

In Head to Head match up this past weekend Lorrence 1 G. Langen 3 Assists in a game that should have been won by Etown but Susquehanna capitalized on a huge coaching error at the end of the game. For whatever reason it appears he had a freshman in the game and Didn't use a time out to preserve a lead with 1 minute left.... Freshman took a shot with no back up because team was in a keep it wide timekilling formation.... you can't make this stuff up.

Last item I'd add....

Joel Maragato will certainly be in the discussion for defensive player of the year as well. Moved from LSM to Close D and has been the biggest eraser in the league. Lorrence had 0 goals Head to head vs Maragato in on ball matchups he did have a great goal on a broken play after a oenalty released though. Similarly Maragato has drawn cover 1 on every teams offensive stud and played amazing.

Looking forward to seeing how these Coaches vote.

It's going to be a crazy ride in semis this year.
Watch both team’s play. Susquehanna’s offense falls off a cliff if Lorence isn’t there. He is their only true initiator from the attack, is huge in the ride + clear, and most prominently, can take over games (IE: 7 goal performance vs. Catholic).

Etown draws slides attacking from the wings + up top, moves it to Langen at X, and Langen throws adjacent passes or feeds the crease to great finishers such as Gismondi and Kondracki. You’re comparing a Kobe-style volume shooter to a Steve Nash-style surgical quarterback, and then saying Steve Nash is better because he has a higher shooting percentage (scoring layups). I suggest you watch some lacrosse before spewing nonsensical, confirmation bias driven stats all over the forum. I’d also add the Lorence has been shut off on multiple occassions this year, skewing his numbers lower.

Focusing only when these guys played the other best teams in the conference (Susqu, Etown, Catholic, Scranton), they both had 11 points. Lorence with 11 goals, a majority of which were unassisted, vs. Langen’s 5 goals and 7 assists, which included a couple adjacent passes to great shooters. Gismondi and Kondraki have 40 and 32 goals, respectively. Susquehanna’s leading goal scorer behind Lorence (55 goals) is Nick Remund with 23 goals.

Lastly, watch the 4th quarter of Susquehanna vs Catholic and tell me Brennan Lorence is not the best offensive player in the conference.
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Re: Landmark Conference 2024

Post by LaxCrusader1 »

How about some predictions!

First, I'd like to point out that each of the 8-1 teams at the top won their home games against each other. So being a host this year seems to be a pretty big deal. That said, let's get into it.

Game 1: Drew @ Scranton - I am sure Scranton was surprised to be playing in the first round after SU beat Etown in OT. But thems the rules, and in what has to be seen as a "tune up" game, Scranton will look to repeat the 17-6 win they had against Drew the first time around. Drew, on the other hand, hopes to dissuade casual observers like me from calling this a "tune up" game for Scranton. Should they do it, I will gladly eat my words. Still, the Royals take their first step toward what is likely (hopefully) to be a barn burner of a game on Thursday. Scranton wins, 16-5.

Game 2: Moravian @ Catholic - On April 10th, in nearly identical fashion to SU's win over Etown, Moravian beat Catholic at home, on senior day, in overtime. Two very similar scripts with similar emotional value to the underdogs involved. However, unlike Susquehanna - who earned home field advantage through at least the semis - Moravian will have to travel to Washington D.C. to beat the Cardinals this time around.

Once again, I think the home team will take the contest. Catholic is looking to have the last word on what has been a disappointing season by their standards. They will have to do it the hard way, but I think we have a motivated group defending their own field. Catholic wins 14-9.

Thinking (too far) ahead if my predictions come true, about some amazing storylines...

Semi-Final 1: Scranton @ Susquehanna - I cannot think of a more exciting potential semi-final in recent memory than this one. After being thoroughly outclassed by the Blue Jays in their first matchup, a Scranton win will give the Royals a chance at redemption, and to go back-to-back for the first time in school history (something Etown, Catholic, and Susquehanna have all done). The good news, they've already beaten the team standing in their way.

The team in their way is Susquehanna, who controls their own fate, in their own house. After several years of growing pains after the glory days of '13/'14 and '18/'19 the Riverhawks are looking to finish off an incredible (and historic) season with a championship berth. If they do, they would find themselves at 15-3, 8-0 at home, with a "team of destiny" type of feeling on the 10 year anniversary of their last LC championship. They then would either be traveling to Etown to avenge their 2018 and 2019 runner-up finishes, or, hosting Catholic for the chance at a Cinderella story ending in Selinsgrove.

Semi-Final 2: Catholic @ Etown - I will not deny that my heart of hearts wants an upset here. It is the best storyline I can think of, and the only way Catholic truly flips the script on this season. Catholic would have to play a flawless game to keep pace, and they haven't shown us they can do that yet. If they want to be seen as a real contender in the conference this year, they'll have to beat the toughest team in the conference to do it.

Etown has the #1 seed, home field advantage throughout the playoffs, and a great chance at championship appearance #8. They have had a say in each of the last 7 championships, and, except for their first year in the Landmark in 2015, they have been in the Championship every year they have competed for the title. Fortunately for Catholic, history has given them a blueprint. Back in 2015, then #4 seed Catholic beat then #1 seed Elizabethtown in the semi's on their way to their first ever conference title and the first of their two back-to-back title runs. Funny how these stories all seem to come back around.

With so many great story lines throughout these playoffs, it's hard to not root for everyone involved. Can't wait to see how it turns out!

P.S. - Anyone have any idea what kind of match up the Landmark is looking at in the NCAA tournament? Who would we likely draw? Considering most people think this is a down year in the conference, I don't see us having a good shot of getting out of the first round, but a guy can dream, right?!
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More thank likely based off geography I can see the conference winner drawing Salisbury
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From my understanding the end of the year conference placements and awards are the coaches on a conference call going to bat for their dudes and voting on whoever except their own.. I would think most of them know who they are picking before hand but I’m sure some persuasion has happened. I think it will be Langen and Korpics with Moan as the COY. Langen split the award last year and unless they do that again (which is dumb. Just pick one), I think they’ll let the repeat happen. Defense I could see Pierce but Korpics has a few goals and kinda is a main part of the reason they are playing good he has stood on his head. This is a year where you could make a very solid argument for DPOY and OPOY so really whoever they go with, I won’t be surprised. Put an asterisk next to Langen if he wins since he’s a covid guy! In regards to NCAA, we will prob have a play in game and most likely see the 1 or 2 seed if they win that so probably Salisbury/Tufts/RIT
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LI_Lax14 wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:10 am More thank likely based off geography I can see the conference winner drawing Salisbury
Well, I can't say it's unexpected... but that's boring. Wish we would get a more exciting game.
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Based on the strength of schedule for the conference this year, my guess is a play-in game with a geographically friendly opponent. Might be the AQ from the Skyline or United East.

Skyline will be between New York Maritime, Farmingdale and ex-Landmark member Merchant Marine.
United East winner will be St. Mary's (MD).

Then, the next round will be a top-ranked regional team like Salisbury.

The committee always looks at travel times and regional rankings when making out the bracket.
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Tightyrighty wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:59 am From my understanding the end of the year conference placements and awards are the coaches on a conference call going to bat for their dudes and voting on whoever except their own.. I would think most of them know who they are picking before hand but I’m sure some persuasion has happened. I think it will be Langen and Korpics with Moan as the COY. Langen split the award last year and unless they do that again (which is dumb. Just pick one), I think they’ll let the repeat happen. Defense I could see Pierce but Korpics has a few goals and kinda is a main part of the reason they are playing good he has stood on his head. This is a year where you could make a very solid argument for DPOY and OPOY so really whoever they go with, I won’t be surprised. Put an asterisk next to Langen if he wins since he’s a covid guy! In regards to NCAA, we will prob have a play in game and most likely see the 1 or 2 seed if they win that so probably Salisbury/Tufts/RIT

Rewatched the Susquehanna vs Etown Game. KORPICS was on fire. 19 freaking saves some point blank dunks were robbed by him. Can't argue with Korpics at all and Langen put all his numbers up in 3 years. Didn't see the field at Scranton apparently..... their website had him with barely a few points. They also sat Crapanzano based on his numbers the year they played together??? Wild.

Did Langen play a Freshman year since no stats? so may have 1 year left. Looked it up and had him as a Sophmore not Freshman for Scranton. Puzzling unless he was hurt and redshirted?
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nevadajoe wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:10 am Based on the strength of schedule for the conference this year, my guess is a play-in game with a geographically friendly opponent. Might be the AQ from the Skyline or United East.

Skyline will be between New York Maritime, Farmingdale and ex-Landmark member Merchant Marine.
United East winner will be St. Mary's (MD).

Then, the next round will be a top-ranked regional team like Salisbury.

The committee always looks at travel times and regional rankings when making out the bracket.
Landmark is south region so play in wouldn’t be Skyline/United East champ. Probably be vs OAC or another southern region conference.
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LaxCommish1981 wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:28 am
Tightyrighty wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:59 am From my understanding the end of the year conference placements and awards are the coaches on a conference call going to bat for their dudes and voting on whoever except their own.. I would think most of them know who they are picking before hand but I’m sure some persuasion has happened. I think it will be Langen and Korpics with Moan as the COY. Langen split the award last year and unless they do that again (which is dumb. Just pick one), I think they’ll let the repeat happen. Defense I could see Pierce but Korpics has a few goals and kinda is a main part of the reason they are playing good he has stood on his head. This is a year where you could make a very solid argument for DPOY and OPOY so really whoever they go with, I won’t be surprised. Put an asterisk next to Langen if he wins since he’s a covid guy! In regards to NCAA, we will prob have a play in game and most likely see the 1 or 2 seed if they win that so probably Salisbury/Tufts/RIT

Rewatched the Susquehanna vs Etown Game. KORPICS was on fire. 19 freaking saves some point blank dunks were robbed by him. Can't argue with Korpics at all and Langen put all his numbers up in 3 years. Didn't see the field at Scranton apparently..... their website had him with barely a few points. They also sat Crapanzano based on his numbers the year they played together??? Wild.

Did Langen play a Freshman year since no stats? so may have 1 year left. Looked it up and had him as a Sophmore not Freshman for Scranton. Puzzling unless he was hurt and redshirted?
Langen walked on at the University of Vermont in 2020. Then transferred to Scranton for the 2021 season. Then to Elizabethtown in 2022.
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River Donkey wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:24 pm
nevadajoe wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:10 am Based on the strength of schedule for the conference this year, my guess is a play-in game with a geographically friendly opponent. Might be the AQ from the Skyline or United East.

Skyline will be between New York Maritime, Farmingdale and ex-Landmark member Merchant Marine.
United East winner will be St. Mary's (MD).

Then, the next round will be a top-ranked regional team like Salisbury.

The committee always looks at travel times and regional rankings when making out the bracket.
Landmark is south region so play in wouldn’t be Skyline/United East champ. Probably be vs OAC or another southern region conference.
You are right. Looked at the wrong regional rankings.

Thanks for the correction.
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Merchant Marine played St Mary’s last year in play in game.
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The Scranton vs Drew game is still on a lightning delay.
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Catholic (10-8) led from the outset and efficiently defeated Moravian (9-9) by a score of 13-5 to advance to the semi final round of the Landmark playoffs. Victor Rosado had 3 goals and an assist to lead the Cardinals offense. Liam HillJohn , Hadden and Steven Dezelic chipped in 2 goals each, with Dezelic adding an assist. Catholic's defense stymied Moravian's offense all night. Mike Tayloe, with 3 caused turnovers and 3 ground balls, and Matt Ford, with 2 caused turnovers and 3 ground balls, led the way on defense. Ryan Macksoud dominated at faceoff, winning 18 of 22 with 13 ground balls. Tyler Merchant had 15 saves.
Connor James had a goal and 2 assists for Moravian. Kyle Weiss, with 4 caused turnovers and 3 ground balls, and Jason Levy, with 4 caused turnovers and 2 ground balls, anchored the Greyhound defense. James ends his career as Moravian's all-time leader in goals with 148, which also puts him 4th all-time in the Landmark Conference. He also finished with 187 career points, good for 8th in the all-time Landmark list. Trevor Dzama finishes with 128 assists in his career, currently tied for first all-time, and with 203 career points, placing him currently at 5th all-time in the Landmark.

Scranton (11-7) was losing to Drew (10-8) 3-2 after the first quarter, but used a 7-goal second quarter to pull away and eventually take a 19-10 victory. The Royals were led on offense by Kyle Holmes, with 5 goals and 2 assists. Seamus O'Callaghan and Myles McCutcheon had 3 goals each, with McCutcheon adding an assist. Joe Kozak (2 goals, 3 assists) and Matthew McAree (1 goal, 3 assists) also help generate the powerful Scranton offense. On defense, Andrew Lord, Connor Pierce and Connor Cole pressured the Rangers offense all night. Declan Allen took the win in goal with 8 saves.
Charlie Collins, with 4 goals and 2 assists, led the Drew offense. Jordan Wilson caused 2 turnovers and scooped up 4 ground balls.
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https://landmarkconference.org/news/202 ... rence.aspx

OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Brennan Lorence - Susquehanna
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Colin Pierce - Scranton
COACHING STAFF OF THE YEAR - Susquehanna - Head Coach Stewart Moan
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR - Myles McCutcheon - Scranton

FIRST TEAM
ATTACK
Gavin Gismondi SR Elizabethtown
Matthew McAree SR Scranton
Brennan Lorence JR Susquehanna
MIDFIELD
Aaron Judge JR Moravian
Alex Eglitis SR Scranton
Kieran Thomas JR Susquehanna
DEFENSE
Joel Maragoto SR Elizabethtown
Colin Pierce GR Scranton
Aidan Kennedy JR Susquehanna
LSM
Ted Zaborowski SR Susquehanna
SSDM
Connor Stewart SR Elizabethtown
FACEOFF
Ryan Macksoud JR Catholic
GOALIE
Jozef Korpics SR Susquehanna

SECOND TEAM
ATTACK
Victor Rosado JR Catholic
Jacob Morgan SO Goucher
Trevor Dzama SR Moravian
MIDFIELD
Charlie Collins JR Drew
Alex Kilgour GR Elizabethtown
Joe Boyle SR Scranton
DEFENSE
Mike Tayloe JR Catholic
Sean Nolan SR Goucher
Jason Levy JR Moravian
LSM
Andrew Lord SR Scranton
Matt Baer SR Moravian
SSDM
Aden Moskovitz JR Moravian
FACEOFF
TJ Chapman SR Elizabethtown
GOALIE
Brayden Franey SR Elizabethtown

HONORBLE MENTION
ATTACK
Riley Langen GR Elizabethtown
Jack Gaillard JR Susquehanna
MIDFIELDERS
Brady McMahon SO Catholic
Tyler May JR Goucher
DEFENSEMEN
Zach Palinkas JR Scranton
GOALKEEPER
Ben Franco GR Lycoming
LSM
Ben Clark JR Elizabethtown
SSDM
Matt Giordano SR Drew
Kyle Bennett SR Scranton
Marshall Woodrosky JR Susquehanna
FACEOFF
GJ Nazziola SR Drew
Gannon Mesko JR Moravian
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laxdad30 wrote: Wed May 01, 2024 3:01 pm https://landmarkconference.org/news/202 ... rence.aspx

OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Brennan Lorence - Susquehanna
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR - Colin Pierce - Scranton
COACHING STAFF OF THE YEAR - Susquehanna - Head Coach Stewart Moan
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR - Myles McCutcheon - Scranton

FIRST TEAM
ATTACK
Gavin Gismondi SR Elizabethtown
Matthew McAree SR Scranton
Brennan Lorence JR Susquehanna
MIDFIELD
Aaron Judge JR Moravian
Alex Eglitis SR Scranton
Kieran Thomas JR Susquehanna
DEFENSE
Joel Maragoto SR Elizabethtown
Colin Pierce GR Scranton
Aidan Kennedy JR Susquehanna
LSM
Ted Zaborowski SR Susquehanna
SSDM
Connor Stewart SR Elizabethtown
FACEOFF
Ryan Macksoud JR Catholic
GOALIE
Jozef Korpics SR Susquehanna

SECOND TEAM
ATTACK
Victor Rosado JR Catholic
Jacob Morgan SO Goucher
Trevor Dzama SR Moravian
MIDFIELD
Charlie Collins JR Drew
Alex Kilgour GR Elizabethtown
Joe Boyle SR Scranton
DEFENSE
Mike Tayloe JR Catholic
Sean Nolan SR Goucher
Jason Levy JR Moravian
LSM
Andrew Lord SR Scranton
Matt Baer SR Moravian
SSDM
Aden Moskovitz JR Moravian
FACEOFF
TJ Chapman SR Elizabethtown
GOALIE
Brayden Franey SR Elizabethtown

HONORBLE MENTION
ATTACK
Riley Langen GR Elizabethtown
Jack Gaillard JR Susquehanna
MIDFIELDERS
Brady McMahon SO Catholic
Tyler May JR Goucher
DEFENSEMEN
Zach Palinkas JR Scranton
GOALKEEPER
Ben Franco GR Lycoming
LSM
Ben Clark JR Elizabethtown
SSDM
Matt Giordano SR Drew
Kyle Bennett SR Scranton
Marshall Woodrosky JR Susquehanna
FACEOFF
GJ Nazziola SR Drew
Gannon Mesko JR Moravian
Some interesting results here. I wonder how pissed Langen is going to be going into these playoffs knowing he went from 1st team to honorable mention.

Tomorrow is going to be a fun day 8-)
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Preseason HM AA to conference team awards:
Rosado- 2nd
Mcaree- 1st
Langen- HM
Pierce- 1st, DPOY
Franey- 2nd

Crazy ride from then to now. Prob the only ones gonna get a nod are Lorrence and Pierce since basically only the yearly award winners get the nod in this conference.
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