Israel and Zionism

[cradleandshoot]

Right wing propagandist wet dreams. YA and friends want these to be violent protests. Even the police are saying these are largely peaceful protests. These are also mislabeled by the right-wing media as "pro-Hamas", or "antisemitic". What they are is "anti-Israeli government". Yes a few "pro-Hamas" extremists are mixed in. Those who think these demonstrations will go away quickly are wrong; they are also wrong in thinking it is confined to "elite campuses" or even 4 year colleges and universities. Just like the 60 / 70s, the college administrators are handling the entire situation wrong!

You are a very poor judge of character, if you think I want violence. Your comment says far more about your inability to read people....even after close to a decade of sharing stories and commentary on these boards. Do better.

As the Hamas terrorists like to say.... DEATH TO ISRAEL I guess the violence is implied in the frequently heard refrain on college campuses. And right on cue Doc 72 is trying pass the blame on the Republicans. There is a whole lotta blame to be heaped on Republicans but this ain't one of them.

Wonder how many Israeli civilians have been killed vs. Palestinian civilians? Seems like a whole lot more DEATH going on at the hands of one side at the moment. A lot of Israelis calling for DEATH as well.

Obviously we should advocate for peace on both sides.

War is hell and innocent people will die. Why doesn't Hamas come out of their rats nests and stop hiding behind the Palestinian people. They definitely want this war with Israel. Then stand and fight.

[OCanada]

Why should they be any different than American colonists in the 1700 or anyone else when there is an asyemetric power situation? In 1972 after Black Sunday Israel/Mossad created a team to avenge it. Every one behind that attack was assassinated. This war is not about the attack. More than 35,000 Palestinians dead with the majority women and children. It is about the land and dispossession and Bengie’s need to avoid a criminal trial as soon as the “war”!is over. It violates Torah and traditional Jewish values but then the last three decades have seen a sharp right turn in Israel’s political lexicon. A president was assassinated, the “settlers” have stolen lands and committed crimes with out sanction, Israel has become an apartheid state, Silly question

[cradleandshoot]

Why should they be any different than American colonists in the 1700 or anyone else when there is an asyemetric power situation? In 1972 after Black Sunday Israel/Mossad created a team to avenge it. Every one behind that attack was assassinated. This war is not about the attack. More than 35,000 Palestinians dead with the majority women and children. It is about the land and dispossession and Bengie’s need to avoid a criminal trial as soon as the “war”!is over. It violates Torah and traditional Jewish values but then the last three decades have seen a sharp right turn in Israel’s political lexicon. A president was assassinated, the “settlers” have stolen lands and committed crimes with out sanction, Israel has become an apartheid state, Silly question

Your history lesson is interesting but a non sequitur. The Hamas attack on October 7 wasn't done for snips and giggles. Hamas knew exactly how Israel would respond. Israel responded exactly as expected. Enough time has passed where a lot of people with poor memories forget how this all started. Now magically, right on cue and simultaneously colleges all over America all have have become havens for anti semitism . DEATH TO ISRAEL with no body on the FLP side willing to repudiate the hate speech from your side. DEATH TO ISRAEL

[OCanada]

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Why should they be any different than American colonists in the 1700 or anyone else when there is an asyemetric power situation? In 1972 after Black Sunday Israel/Mossad created a team to avenge it. Every one behind that attack was assassinated. This war is not about the attack. More than 35,000 Palestinians dead with the majority women and children. It is about the land and dispossession and Bengie’s need to avoid a criminal trial as soon as the “war”!is over. It violates Torah and traditional Jewish values but then the last three decades have seen a sharp right turn in Israel’s political lexicon. A president was assassinated, the “settlers” have stolen lands and committed crimes with out sanction, Israel has become an apartheid state, Silly question

Your history lesson is interesting but a non sequitur. The Hamas attack on October 7 wasn't done for snips and giggles. Hamas knew exactly how Israel would respond. Israel responded exactly as expected. Enough time has passed where a lot of people with poor memories forget how this all started. Now magically, right on cue and simultaneously colleges all over America all have have become havens for anti semitism . DEATH TO ISRAEL with no body on the FLP side willing to repudiate the hate speech from your side. DEATH TO ISRAEL

You have alreay demoed your lack of understanding about the conflict. I posted quite a lot w attribution. You either did not bother to read it or you failed to retain. You would skso knoow your non sequitur comment is a non sequitur. Since “this” began back in the 1920s it is small wonder people have forgotten. As always your slip shod comment lacks support. Mostly you bloviate but offer only gruel.

News for you. Criticizing Israel is not antisemitism. That is tge big lie Bengie wwnts to push. Judaism is a religion. Israel is not which is why Bengie and the right wing trolls want to treat ot as is it were to try and provide cover. This is an exercise in stifling free speech. As the right wing including Trump have said the last decade a freedom of speech is the enemy. Bengie agrees.

[OCanada]

Why should they be any different than American colonists in the 1700 or anyone else when there is an asyemetric power situation? In 1972 after Black Sunday Israel/Mossad created a team to avenge it. Every one behind that attack was assassinated. This war is not about the attack. More than 35,000 Palestinians dead with the majority women and children. It is about the land and dispossession and Bengie’s need to avoid a criminal trial as soon as the “war”!is over. It violates Torah and traditional Jewish values but then the last three decades have seen a sharp right turn in Israel’s political lexicon. A president was assassinated, the “settlers” have stolen lands and committed crimes with out sanction, Israel has become an apartheid state, Silly question

Your history lesson is interesting but a non sequitur. The Hamas attack on October 7 wasn't done for snips and giggles. Hamas knew exactly how Israel would respond. Israel responded exactly as expected. Enough time has passed where a lot of people with poor memories forget how this all started. Now magically, right on cue and simultaneously colleges all over America all have have become havens for anti semitism . DEATH TO ISRAEL with no body on the FLP side willing to repudiate the hate speech from your side. DEATH TO ISRAEL

If you only had a clue. Your non sequitur is itself a non-sequitur. FYI this conflict began long before Israel was created.

Your choice of words kind of demoes your own biases. Let me help you. Israel is a state not a religious or ethnic class. Judaism is a religion and anti-semitism can apply here. Basically you and Bengie share a wish to confuse the issue. Bengie wants immunity from criticism and you support that. But nations can held to account which is part of the explanation for what is going on. Your misuse of language is one reason it is so difficult to resolve the conflict.

You should help yourself. https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/04 ... egins.html

This is a systematic attempt to suppress freedom of speech and assembly. Two goals of the right.

Will you ever provide substance.

What was your outfit in Nam, years in country, rank, CO

[PizzaSnake]

"Israeli officials increasingly believe that the International Criminal Court is preparing to issue arrest warrants for senior government officials on charges related to the conflict with Hamas, according to five Israeli and foreign officials.

The Israeli and foreign officials also believe the court is weighing arrest warrants for leaders from Hamas.

If the court proceeds, the Israeli officials could potentially be accused of preventing the delivery of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip and pursuing an excessively harsh response to the Hamas-led Oct. 7 attacks on Israel, according to two of the five officials, all of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the matter.

The Israeli officials, who are worried about the potential fallout from such a case, said they believe that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is among those who might be named in a warrant. It is not clear who might be charged from Hamas or what crimes would be cited."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/28/worl ... hamas.html

[ggait]

Now magically, right on cue and simultaneously colleges all over America all have have become havens for anti semitism . DEATH TO ISRAEL with no body on the FLP side willing to repudiate the hate speech from your side. DEATH TO ISRAEL

What a completely stupid ignorant post.

This really is pretty simple. Criticizing Netanyahu and the policies of his government has nothing to do with anti-semitism.

Unless you want to go there and say folks like, say, Bernie Sanders are anti-semites. SMH.


Sen. Bernie Sanders said on Sunday that he supports protests against Israel’s war in Gaza while stressing the need to “condemn, in every form, antisemitism, Islamophobia and other forms of bigotry.”

“What Netanyahu’s right-wing, extremist and racist government is doing is unprecedented in the modern history of warfare,” Sanders, told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union.”

“Right now, we are looking at the possibility of mass starvation and famine in Gaza. When you make those charges, that is not antisemitic. That is a reality.”

Israel’s retaliatory assault in Gaza has killed more than 34,000 people, according to its health ministry. Two thirds of which are women and children.

“I’m Jewish, all right? My father’s family was wiped out by Hitler. Antisemitism is a disgusting and vile form of bigotry which has killed millions of people,” Sanders, Independent from Vermont, said Sunday. “I would hope that every American condemns antisemitism. We condemn Islamophobia and all forms of bigotry.”

[Typical Lax Dad]

Now magically, right on cue and simultaneously colleges all over America all have have become havens for anti semitism . DEATH TO ISRAEL with no body on the FLP side willing to repudiate the hate speech from your side. DEATH TO ISRAEL

What a completely stupid ignorant post.

This really is pretty simple. Criticizing Netanyahu and the policies of his government has nothing to do with anti-semitism.

Unless you want to go there and say folks like, say, Bernie Sanders are anti-semites. SMH.


Sen. Bernie Sanders said on Sunday that he supports protests against Israel’s war in Gaza while stressing the need to “condemn, in every form, antisemitism, Islamophobia and other forms of bigotry.”

“What Netanyahu’s right-wing, extremist and racist government is doing is unprecedented in the modern history of warfare,” Sanders, told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union.”

“Right now, we are looking at the possibility of mass starvation and famine in Gaza. When you make those charges, that is not antisemitic. That is a reality.”

Israel’s retaliatory assault in Gaza has killed more than 34,000 people, according to its health ministry. Two thirds of which are women and children.

“I’m Jewish, all right? My father’s family was wiped out by Hitler. Antisemitism is a disgusting and vile form of bigotry which has killed millions of people,” Sanders, Independent from Vermont, said Sunday. “I would hope that every American condemns antisemitism. We condemn Islamophobia and all forms of bigotry.”

CRT teaches hatred.

[cradleandshoot]

Now magically, right on cue and simultaneously colleges all over America all have have become havens for anti semitism . DEATH TO ISRAEL with no body on the FLP side willing to repudiate the hate speech from your side. DEATH TO ISRAEL

What a completely stupid ignorant post.

This really is pretty simple. Criticizing Netanyahu and the policies of his government has nothing to do with anti-semitism.

Unless you want to go there and say folks like, say, Bernie Sanders are anti-semites. SMH.


Sen. Bernie Sanders said on Sunday that he supports protests against Israel’s war in Gaza while stressing the need to “condemn, in every form, antisemitism, Islamophobia and other forms of bigotry.”

“What Netanyahu’s right-wing, extremist and racist government is doing is unprecedented in the modern history of warfare,” Sanders, told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union.”

“Right now, we are looking at the possibility of mass starvation and famine in Gaza. When you make those charges, that is not antisemitic. That is a reality.”

Israel’s retaliatory assault in Gaza has killed more than 34,000 people, according to its health ministry. Two thirds of which are women and children.

“I’m Jewish, all right? My father’s family was wiped out by Hitler. Antisemitism is a disgusting and vile form of bigotry which has killed millions of people,” Sanders, Independent from Vermont, said Sunday. “I would hope that every American condemns antisemitism. We condemn Islamophobia and all forms of bigotry.”

CRT teaches hatred.

So does some of the student body at Columbia. DEATH TO ISRAEL
And if Hamas has their way many more Jews will die. That is what Hamas wants...dead Jews. The lessons learned from the Holocaust are already being forgotten.

[ggait]

So does some of the student body at Columbia. DEATH TO ISRAEL
And if Hamas has their way many more Jews will die. That is what Hamas wants...dead Jews. The lessons learned from the Holocaust are already being forgotten.

You really think Bernie Sanders is trying to get lots of Jews killed? You really think he has forgotten about the Holocaust (given his family's history)?
Ridiculous.

Netanyahu is a horrible corrupt leader and hopefully will be replaced. That has literally nothing to do with anti semitism.

Sure there's some horrible racist folks advocating to kill Jews. Some (but not a lot) are involved in these campus demonstrations. Some were also those right wing tiki torch guys in Charlottesville -- "Jews will not replace us."

Just go away troll boy.

[NattyBohChamps04]

So does some of the student body at Columbia. DEATH TO ISRAEL
And if Hamas has their way many more Jews will die. That is what Hamas wants...dead Jews. The lessons learned from the Holocaust are already being forgotten.

And a lot of Israelis and some of the student bodies at Universities across the country want DEATH TO PALESTINE

And if Israel CONTINUES its way, many more innocent Palestinians will continue to die. That's what the right wing in Israel wants... dead Palestinians. The lessons learned from the Holocuast have been forgotten by many in Israel.

How many more innocent civilians is it OK for Israel to kill than Hamas did? 100x as many as Hamas? 1,000x? 6,000,000 total?

And you're scared shirtless about a handful of students camped out on lawns across the country being 18-22 year olds? Who are getting beaten up by cops?

You conveniently seem to forget it's a two way street with Israel and Hamas/Hezbollah.

[OCanada]

So does some of the student body at Columbia. DEATH TO ISRAEL
And if Hamas has their way many more Jews will die. That is what Hamas wants...dead Jews. The lessons learned from the Holocaust are already being forgotten.

You really think Bernie Sanders is trying to get lots of Jews killed? You really think he has forgotten about the Holocaust (given his family's history)?
Ridiculous.

Netanyahu is a horrible corrupt leader and hopefully will be replaced. That has literally nothing to do with anti semitism.

Sure there's some horrible racist folks advocating to kill Jews. Some (but not a lot) are involved in these campus demonstrations. Some were also those right wing tiki torch guys in Charlottesville -- "Jews will not replace us."

Just go away troll boy.

As the saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. He would prefer to continue to misrepresent than deal w the truth. Alternative facts is a driver on the right.

I did ask him about his “service” e.g. outfit, years of service, CO etc. stolen valor is a thing. I have never experienced anyone who served not step up proudly about that information.

Johns Hopkins had a demonstration. Perfectly peaceful. Ut then the administration was proactive. As opposed to Columbia. I winder how kong thst President will be there.

The right wing harbors the vast majority of anti-semites and authors of hste crimes. The Speakers hypocrisy in going there was entertaining

[Typical Lax Dad]

Let’s roll the tape:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... m-00072661

POLITICS
Opinion | The Warped Electoral Logic Behind Trump’s Antisemitism
Why would he entertain avowed Jew-haters? Because he thinks his most loyal supporters — white evangelical Christians — agree with his guests…….

[Typical Lax Dad]

[Typical Lax Dad]

[PizzaSnake]

Oh great. More messianic nonsense. Look folks, believe all of the crazy you want, just keep it between you and your invisible friend, huh? And really, taking counsel from someone who looks like a mentally unwell unhoused person...

These are the leaders, the deciders of our fates?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Oh great. More messianic nonsense. Look folks, believe all of the crazy you want, just keep it between you and your invisible friend, huh? And really, taking counsel from someone who looks like a mentally unwell unhoused person...

These are the leaders, the deciders of our fates?

I could have sworn that was Rumpelstiltskin

[youthathletics]

The US at Work: https://x.com/CENTCOM/status/1785059473351966759

[cradleandshoot]

The US at Work: https://x.com/CENTCOM/status/1785059473351966759

Who will be in charge of unloading the cargo at this pier?? It seems like a job that will wind up being handled by the US? I don't think anyone wants or will allow Hamas to be in charge of offloading and distribution.

[cradleandshoot]

Here is hoping that Columbia alumni divest their money from their alma mater. Starve the beast, who pays for all of damage done on campus? It looks like mommy and daddy will have to pay more in tuition next year.
If you are the parent of a young Jew who wants to go to Columbia...do you let your child go there?

DEATH TO ISRAEL

DEATH TO AMERICA