The man who armed and trained Al Q in Afghanistan to fight a proxy war with Russia was "too smart" was he?old salt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 1:55 amYou offer nothing but condescending snark & non-specific political bromides.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:12 amand you've been spouting isolationist defeatism and appeasement for years.old salt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 9:17 pmBlah. Blah Blah. NeoCon Ideological claptrap. Look at the results on the ground. Realism is not defeatism.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:56 amYes, defeatism has been consistently strong. On numerous topics.
With regard to Ukraine specifically, very defeatist, always the negative never the positive. Always woe is me, Ukraine with the aid of the West can’t possibly withstand and pushback Russia (and why would we even want to stop Russian expansion?). We need to spend massive amounts of money on our military of course, but why would we care about a white Christian authoritarian kleptocracy expanding toward our treaty allies? Those Euroburghers are a bunch of socialists not really our allies.
And those Ukrainians are really a bunch of corrupt Nazis secretly allied with Democrats against our Leader.
So, let’s go back on our promises to support Ukraine’s defense of its sovereignty and early stage democracy against a murderous much larger and heavily armed neighbor.
MAGA
We don't have the capacity to give Ukraine what they need. We haven't from the start.
The costly, ill conceived, Hail Mary counteroffensive failed.
You can't make a speech, dump billions of $$$ on it & then expect immediate results.
Magical thinking.You believed our propaganda.
Look at the air defense munitions expended in defending Israel for just one night.
We've given Ukraine just 1 US Patriot battery. Their F-16 pilots are still in AZ learning how to fly & fight their new (used) jets.
What's Biden's plan ? He's not telling us. You just spout political talking points with no basis in reality.
Reagan would be embarrassed by this MAGA woe is me BS.
I was quite realistic.
Surprised by the Ukrainian resilience and the initial Russian ineptitude, horrified by the Russian genocidal tactics, I agreed with supporting Ukraine in their fight, incrementally as they could absorb and train on unfamiliar weaponry. I thought it would take much longer to actually pushback Russia all the way, much as Biden and the Pentagon repeatedly warned, though there was a chance that the Russian forces might fold at some point, collapsing back. But don't count on it. But turns out killing any retreating soldiers was enough to keep them in their trenches while they prepared for the next wave and built tactical resilience themselves. Without air cover, Ukraine couldn't make progress. I was in favor of more air cover, more capabilities sooner, but recognized that it's more complicated if we weren't going to do it directly.
It's going to take longer.
But Russia must not prevail, their aggression must not succeed.
And on an American cash and blood basis, this effort is ridiculously cheap relative to strategic value. It's unfortunate that we live in a world of authoritarian ambitions, but that's the real reality.
But we get it, you and your MAGA ilk want to mirror their nationalist authoritarianism, especially that white christian form Putin espouses.
Reagan was too smart to get us involved in a mess like this.
Neat. Reagan brought us 9/11. And armed, funded, and trained Saddam Hussein.
That's your idea of "too smart". Reagan was OG neo con, and you know it.