BU-Duke moved to Noon EST

[QuestionMark]

Due to rain in Durham

[molo]

BU took down AWP when the Knights were ranked 1. Duke rebounded with a win over Denver after being held to 4 in the Dome. Can the Terriers pull off a second upset, or does will Duke unveil the offense that they seem capable of unleashing?
Always fun to see the best lsm ply his trade. 55 must be in the best shape of any player who roams the middle of the field. He doesn’t rest much.

[GaitsRightHand]

Boston came to play. Up 3-2 at the end of Q1.

[GaitsRightHand]

9-8 Duke after Q3. Weather delay currently. Very muddy field.

[DMac]

Lightning delay now, one goal game in the third, think it was 9-8 Duke.
Mighty sloppy conditions.
Heading to the Dome shortly to watch the Cuse girls play Loyola (coming in
undefeated). Not gonna bring my umbrella, gonna be nice in there.

[DMac]

Back in action, 9-9 beginning of 4th.

[Finster]

Back in action, 9-9 beginning of 4th.

I hope God and Duke don’t punish me for this, but I REALLY want BU to win.

[youthathletics]

Back in action, 9-9 beginning of 4th.

I hope God and Duke don’t punish me for this, but I REALLY want BU to win.

Helps Navy look better...

Commentators are pretty darned good as well.

Duke escaped that failed clear

[DMac]

but I REALLY want BU to win.

BU wins for my buddy, he took BU and the points.
You don't get any of those though.

[gunnerz]

Duke wins 11-10.

[HopFan16]

Can't wait for the Ref Defenders to explain this one. This was the last faceoff of the game, which Duke obviously won. Naso is at nearly a 45-degree angle, hovering over the ball, and gets set there.

This is what the NCAA rulebook says:

"The official shall make certain that the reverse surfaces of the crosses match evenly, are perpendicular to the ground, and the ball is positioned in the middle of the head of the crosse...If a player is not positioned properly the official shall call that player for a violation and award the ball to the opponent. There is zero tolerance for a player not positioned properly to begin the faceoff."

Welp, seems like there's some tolerance, actually.

And no, this screenshot wasn't captured mid-faceoff. It was taken right before the whistle. Both players were set and frozen in those exact positions. I didn't go back to check if other faceoffs were similar, but I wouldn't be surprised. If refs aren't going to officiate the faceoff, they need to take it out of the game. Embarrassing.

[EasyRider]

^^

He's rolling in, it's common, it's usually subtle and it's a hard thing for refs to catch. Both refs are positioned behind the draw guys -- neither has a view down the line. The ref doing the spot check is backpedaling out before the whistle ... difficult for him to pick up gradual movement when he too is on the move.

Certainly neither wants to make a call in that situation unless they are 100% sure.

Face-off guys are clever.

[Finster]

but I REALLY want BU to win.

BU wins for my buddy, he took BU and the points.
You don't get any of those though.

I’m gonna go listen to some country music by Mikey Powell, I’m so depressed.

Why BU?!?!

[HopFan16]

^^

He's rolling in, it's common, it's usually subtle and it's a hard thing for refs to catch. Both refs are positioned behind the draw guys -- neither has a view down the line. The ref doing the spot check is backpedaling out before the whistle ... difficult for him to pick up gradual movement when he too is on the move.

Certainly neither wants to make a call in that situation unless they are 100% sure.

Face-off guys are clever.

He didn't roll into it after the ref was backing out. He immediately went into that position to get set. He was never in any other position. It was straight to 45-degrees, hovering over the ball, right from the jump. That's how he was lined up from the beginning.

If it's really that hard to catch then either the ref should consider an easier line of work or they should just get rid of the rule and let the FOGOs do whatever they want. Not sure what the point of the "zero tolerance" rule is if they can't or won't enforce it.

[youthathletics]

^^

He's rolling in, it's common, it's usually subtle and it's a hard thing for refs to catch. Both refs are positioned behind the draw guys -- neither has a view down the line. The ref doing the spot check is backpedaling out before the whistle ... difficult for him to pick up gradual movement when he too is on the move.

Certainly neither wants to make a call in that situation unless they are 100% sure.

Face-off guys are clever.

He didn't roll into it after the ref was backing out. He immediately went into that position to get set. He was never in any other position. It was straight to 45-degrees, hovering over the ball, right from the jump. That's how he was lined up from the beginning.

If it's really that hard to catch then either the ref should consider an easier line of work or they should just get rid of the rule and let the FOGOs do whatever they want. Not sure what the point of the "zero tolerance" rule is if they can't or won't enforce it.

Agreed, I was going to snag a picture as well. He is setting up like this.

[EasyRider]

Re-watched it, you're both correct!

[runrussellrun]

Can't wait for the Ref Defenders to explain this one. This was the last faceoff of the game, which Duke obviously won. Naso is at nearly a 45-degree angle, hovering over the ball, and gets set there.

This is what the NCAA rulebook says:

"The official shall make certain that the reverse surfaces of the crosses match evenly, are perpendicular to the ground, and the ball is positioned in the middle of the head of the crosse...If a player is not positioned properly the official shall call that player for a violation and award the ball to the opponent. There is zero tolerance for a player not positioned properly to begin the faceoff."

Welp, seems like there's some tolerance, actually.

And no, this screenshot wasn't captured mid-faceoff. It was taken right before the whistle. Both players were set and frozen in those exact positions. I didn't go back to check if other faceoffs were similar, but I wouldn't be surprised. If refs aren't going to officiate the faceoff, they need to take it out of the game. Embarrassing.

ah huh.....

specifically THIS issue.......is a simple fix. Have Drones......or that "skycam" that one of our former PResidents invented....have AI break it down...

n$aa rule book has lots of stuff that "says".

besides, can't speak for others, but FOGO 101......IS, all about where the zebra's are going to be......

But, in all seriousness, you gotta add another on field official, if you want to watch ALL stuff.

tough for LL, also the FJ....to be concerned with their primary function...GOAL coverage.....and fogo's stick at 83 degrees.

Heard the average age of officials......nationwide......is 56. interesting.

[runrussellrun]

^^

He's rolling in, it's common, it's usually subtle and it's a hard thing for refs to catch. Both refs are positioned behind the draw guys -- neither has a view down the line. The ref doing the spot check is backpedaling out before the whistle ... difficult for him to pick up gradual movement when he too is on the move.

Certainly neither wants to make a call in that situation unless they are 100% sure.

Face-off guys are clever.

He didn't roll into it after the ref was backing out. He immediately went into that position to get set. He was never in any other position. It was straight to 45-degrees, hovering over the ball, right from the jump. That's how he was lined up from the beginning.

If it's really that hard to catch then either the ref should consider an easier line of work or they should just get rid of the rule and let the FOGOs do whatever they want. Not sure what the point of the "zero tolerance" rule is if they can't or won't enforce it.

You think that stick head is at 45 degrees.........hopefully you don't build our buildings.

[QuestionMark]

Really good game considering the conditions. Rough slash call got Duke up 7-6 then missed a head shot a minute later. Duke went up 9-6 and thought it was won. BU clawed back and could have gone either way.

Too bad PL is going to be likely a one bid league. Feels like they are going to get the Big East basketball treatment.

Colgate beats Penn State
Army beats Cuse
Loyola beats GTown
Navy beats Hop

[molo]

Carpenter played close d today, 44 and 7 splitting time at pole. I didn’t see the Denver game. Was this adjustment due to an injury, something specific to BU, or just because the coaches feel that the best close lineup is 33, 5, and 29 and that 44 and 7, who in the past backed up 33, are too good for one of them to sit?