I didn't because it wasn't relevant in 2016. For crimminy sake I updated it for you in my post above. You can't even grasp what the very simple point of my comment.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:01 amLike I said, you weren’t raising that point after 2016.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:55 amNo you didn't because that argument was not relative at the time. I remember a lot of forum members pointing that out though. The perspective in 2016 revolved around the unfairness of the electoral college. If it assuages your feelings I'll make the same point. 63 million people voted for trump in 2016. To rub salt in the wound he received 63 million votes and he won the election. Every Democrat in America is still scratching their heads today trying to understand how HRC could have lost.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:01 amDidn’t hear you making that argument when Hillary got 66 million votes and Trump got 63 million.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:43 amI know that. The point of my comment was that 74 million people voted for trump. I for one was not one of them. I guess I need to explain it. Irregardless of what an a-hole trump is 74 million people preferred him over his opponent. It is no more complicated than that. Here we are in 2024 and for crimminy sake trump will be the the R candidate again. It is not even out of the realm of possibility that he might even win. If that happens there will not be enough duct tape in the world to wrap around the heads of the Democrats in America. There will be gray matter everywhere.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:51 amEach election, his opponent got millions more votes.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:38 amNo matter how slow I read it I can't change the simple fact that 74 million people voted for trump in 2020. FTR McCarthy had a bug up his butt about communists. None of you folks have the slightest grasp about what sarcasm is. This forum is desperately in need of an emoji for sarcasm.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 5:06 pmgaslighting again, cradle?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 3:07 pmYour doing what you do best. Your overcomplicating if not flat out lying about what I said. I'll repeat it and simplify it just for you. 74 million people voted for trump in 2022. It's up to you to read the tea leaves from there. I'm guessing that the same 74 million people will likely vote the same. Except now you have happily labeled 74 million people as fascists by your own definition that voting for trump automatically makes you a MAGA fascist. You sure have learned to paint with a very broad brush. Do you realize that McCarthyism was rooted in contempt for communism and not fascism? If anything tail gunner Joe was shooting down fascist Nazi fighter pilots.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 2:21 pm cradle's either not reading or is being willfully dense, Geneva.
But to be clear about what I've been saying, there aren't remotely 74 million MAGA true believers, much less knowing fascists. A heck of a lot of Trump voters simply don't want to vote for a Dem. That said, a whole lot of previously inactive voters, predominantly white working class and predominantly male started getting way more politically active this past decade. Started with Tea Party, morphed into MAGA as a strong white man declared himself their savior. They bought into the tribal MAGA anger and resentment because it made sense of the angst they were feeling and gave them a series of cultural enemies as targets.
Yes, Obama's election had a huge amount to do with that. So did gay marriage.
so "elites", college educated, much less highly selective college educated became a target. "Experts"... Muslims. Mexicans. "Urban"...gays, trans...feminists...The propaganda has been very heavy and lots and lots of Americans have been influenced by it. The demographics are no accident. It's purposeful and it's all about money and power. Eyeballs and donations. And it's fomented from overseas adversaries.
The MAGA wing now totally dominates the party apparatus, though. Those with any power have either embraced MAGA as the means to get more power or are cowardly trying to simply hold on to what they have while MAGA takes over.
And the true fascists, who know what they're doing, is a relatively small set. But that's who will have the power if Trump is elected again.
And btw, cradle, authoritarianism has multiple flavors, left, right...communist, fascist...but it all comes down to power and control...and money...
I'm concerned with authoritarianism from the left as well as the right...it's why I believe in our constitutional democratic republican form of government...it's often frustrating but it beats the heck out of any form of authoritarianism.
and right now, the biggest threat is from this populist, hard right-wing MAGA form of fascism.
Just read...slowly if you have to.
I'll compose this again and type it in very slowly ( sarcasm BTW) tail gunner Joe despised communism and communists. Tail gunner Joe shot Nazi fascist pilots out of the sky. My sarcasm was directed to the fact that apparently communists and fascist were all being lumped into one ball of wax. Now y'all read it again several times very slowly.( sarcasm again) my comment was meant to be sarcastic. That flew right over most of y'all's heads. This forum desperately needs that sarcasm emoji, not that it will help. As always Go Bills!!! Sarcasm again.
Are we all now clear about what a sarcastic comment is??
I'm ready for the next bit of constructive criticism. I've got all day...
True or false, 74 million people voted for trump in 2020. For the sake of clarity what I really mean by the comment if I'm understanding the esteemed members of this forum correctly...74 million idiots voted for trump. In that regard you may very well be correct. Are we square now? Wait, I neglected this in my prior update. A mere 63 million idiots voted for trump in 2016. Hell I just recalculated, trump had a net gain of 11 million idiots. You should thank your lucky stars the electoral college didn't decide it in 2020. Here is some food for thought for you. What if Biden had received his 80 plus million votes and had lost the election via the electoral college ? You would still have duct tape wrapped around your head today. Full transparency my friend, my comments are pure 100% unadulterated sarcasm.