cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 12:08 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:03 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:18 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:29 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:15 pm
ggait wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 10:16 am
We have mass shootings in this country every god damn night. The numbers don't grab headlines with fat ass white liberals. If a few young black kids are shot to death with ILLEGAL WEAPONS every night NBD. BTW there you pint size legal beagle...explain how confiscating legally purchased rifles will be easy?? It would be about as easy as getting ILLEGAL WEAPONS off of the streets.
Such completely disingenuous gaslight whataboutism bull shirt. GMAFB.
We have three serious gun violence problems in our country: (i) urban shooitngs (often gang related), (ii) suicides and (iii) angry white dudes going postal. They each require different approaches. Duh.
(iii) is the easiest to solve by far. Get rid of the forking AR 15s. Which is what our peer nations have done -- UK, Australia, NZ, Canada, EU. And even we used to be smart enough to ban them too -- as supported by lots of normie Republicans including Ronald Reagan.
And then we got hijacked by the toxic NRA and the awful GOP right wing leadership.
No disingenuous anything here. What is your plan counselor dumbass to eradicate ILLEGAL WEAPONS??? Do you even know or understand what an illegal weapon is? Do you even care???
Why don't you explain to us dummies what an "illegal weapon" is, and how it got into the hands of a criminal.
I'm interested in learning what you think us dummies don't understand.
BTW, if I buy an AR-15 following all the rules, and then go out and commit mass murder with it, is it now a 'legal weapon' or an 'illegal weapon' ? Still "legal" right? Or did it become illegal when I committed a crime? or only when I'm convicted of the crime? Or is still "legal" and I just have to sell it at say, a gun show? or give it to my kid?
How about I bought it 10 years ago and then my son took it out and committed mass murder? Is that a 'legal weapon' or an 'illegal' one?
Ok, how about I sold it to a guy at gun show and he goes out and commits mass murder...was that an 'illegal' weapon before it was used that way? Or after?
Or how about the weapon was stolen by someone working at my house...is that now an 'illegal weapon'? Was it "illegal" before it was stolen?
How about a gun manufacturer sells a big shipment of weapons to someone who is an authorized gun dealer, but he sells them in bulk to a guy who then goes to a gun show and sells them to any tom, dick or harry? Legal or illegal?
How about the authorized gun dealer sells them to a representative of a gang...but the individual does all the right paperwork? And he then turns and provides the guns to his gang? Legal or illegal?
Does it matter if the gun manufacturer or dealer had a hunch the guns were going into the gun show market or elsewhere? should they have to care?
An illegal weapon means the person in possession of that weapon came across possession of weapon in violation of local, state and federal law. That definition can vary greatly from state to state. I'm glad I could straiten that out for you. Dumbasses like you are the best friends ignorant people can ever have. Your a 12 gauge shotgun duck guy. You ever heard of a trench duster?? You should then be able to comprehend the devastation a 12 gauge with double aught buckshot can unleash in a few seconds. The 12 gauge pump shotgun was a favorite of many GIs who were engaged in close quarters combat. Accuracy was not as important as putting lethal firepower at the bad guys. 5.56 can't do what a 12 gauge can do in a narrow field of engagement. There is a good damn reason the 12 gauge was a good friend of any infantry soldier. FTR MD, and please check me if you think I'm wrong, the Germans in WW1 protested loudly about the British use of " trench duster" shotguns. I'm surprised a shotgun aficionado such as yourself is unaware how devastating the 12 gauge was and still is when it comes to killing alot of people very quickly.
I think you avoided my questions?
As usual?
Your questions are nonsensical and borderline stupid. If you want to narrow down your questions outside of the realm of what is hypothetical I'll be glad to reply. In NYS there are no gunshow loopholes. To purchase any weapon in NYS you have to be approved for the sale by passing an FBI background check. I had to pass that FBI screening when I purchased my 410 single barrel shotgun. It took 5 minutes. You can't purchase any weapon at a gun show in NYS without being approved via an FBI background check. The very real problem of illegal weapons being possessed by actual convicted criminals is something you are going out of your way to obfuscate. You detest AR 15 type of weapons. You think they should be banned. I'm not a fan of AR 15 type weapons. I understand their popularity. If you enjoy plinking they are a lot of fun. An outright ban would create a nightmare scenario for law enforcement. There are untold millions of these weapons LEGALLY owned by American citizens. When YOUR willing to become the lead dog in the confiscation effort and start knocking on doors telling people to hand them over then I'll be very impressed. Until that day happens MD you need to face reality, these weapons are here to stay. The attempts to regulate these weapons are borderline idiotic. NYS passed the SAFE ACT in an attempt to try and do so. The guidelines are pathetic at best. There are a variety of AR type weapons and configurations that are banned or limited. You can purchase a Ruger mini 14 legally in any gun shop that wants to sell them. They don't look scary like most AR 15 type weapons. They are functionally the same damn weapon from caliber to maximum effective range. You wanna talk lethality did you bother to investigate what a trench duster shotgun can do? Those 12 gauge pump shotguns are still popular in the army and Marines today. They just are not popular with most people interested in killing a lot of people yet. Your familar with shotguns. How fast could you fan out 6 rounds of double aught buckshot at point blank range? You don't even need to aim, just point into a crowd of people and shoot. Sick people will always find the weapon they need to do the job
Perpetrator
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Kyle Aaron Huff (September 22, 1977 – March 25, 2006) was identified as the shooter in the morning massacre. His motive remains unknown. Huff claimed to have attended The Art Institute of Seattle and North Seattle Community College, although neither institution has records of him attending.
He had previously been arrested in his hometown of Whitefish, Montana, for destroying a public arts project and was charged with a felony. (He shot up a statue of a moose that was part of an installation called "Moose on the Loose.") He was described by residents there as a well-liked person with a minor history of delinquency. He moved to Seattle with his twin brother about five years before the shooting. He had little contact with police in Seattle, but was involved in a brawl at the Lobo Saloon in 2004.[20]
Kyle Huff's weapons & ammunition
The weapons used were purchased legally at sporting goods stores in Kalispell, Montana.[21] They were seized by the police in Whitefish after he pleaded guilty to a reduced misdemeanor mischief charge in the moose incident. They were returned after he paid restitution and a fine. The original felony charge for destroying the art would have prohibited him from legally owning firearms.
Huff was not well known in Seattle's rave scene. Very few people in the scene knew him or interacted with him. On February 1, 2006, someone with the email address
[email protected] asked on an internet message board run by local raver Groovinkim when the next rave was, because he'd never been to one.[22]
Motive
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A possible window into the killer's motives appeared nearly a month after the event. An apartment manager of a complex about a mile from Huff's residence called police about a possible bomb he found while inspecting dumpsters, although that bomb turned out to be just modeling clay and wires. In the investigation afterwards, police found a handwritten note in the dumpster apparently written by Huff. On June 6, the police released the letter, not yet authenticated, to the media.[23] A week later, the Washington State Patrol's Crime Lab concluded that it was "highly probable" that the letter was authentic. Arguments in favor of authenticity included the fact that the letter was written on stationery from the apartment complex where the Huff brothers lived and matched several known samples of the killer's writing, according to crime lab experts.[24] The Stranger, an alternative weekly, earlier claimed that the handwriting on the letter appeared to be identical to samples from a job application of Huff's that the periodical had obtained.[25]
The letter, dated two days before the killings, was specific in expressing the writer's anger at young ravers for their provocative lifestyle, particularly their sexual freedom, and said that the things they did and said were too disturbing for the writer to live with. It ended with the quote "Now, kids, Now", reminiscent of the letters "NOW" that Huff spray painted during the massacre.
