Trumpista fascists on the march

[cradleandshoot]

Fine with me to eliminate teachers unions. I agree with afan that public-section unions should not be legal.

But I think that overall teachers do the best they can with what they are given.

The only takes-all-comers school that does better than average that I know of is my homie LeBron's school in Akron. Know what their secret sauce is?

A 30% higher budget than the other schools in the district.

I would agree with you 100%. Those unions hold an awful lot of power in this country. They have a lot of money and they love to run ads on TV informing people on their perspective on any given issue. If it involves defunding, the message gets very intense.

[seacoaster]

Hey, the idea that Trump is a protofascist is catching on:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/24/opin ... J9DM6IIRoF

Support America while it matters.

[cradleandshoot]

You lost me here completely a Fan. You have a group of people protesting that are all together. One group wants to protest peacefully, the other part of the group wants to burn stuff down and break things. If they have the chance to beat a few trumpsters up, that is just icing on the cake. For the sake of this discussion there are 5000 thousand people at the protest.

Yes.

2500 do not want any trouble. The other 2500 want to create as much chaos as possible. How the hell do we know who to ignore?

Simple this is about BLM. Get BLM out to DC to listen, and craft legislation. Fix the problem.

When the violent idiots lose their cover-----peaceful protesters who are now in Wash DC-----the jig is up rather quickly.

As it stands now? As of last night, Trump now has a "Wall of Veterans" in Portland, protecting the peaceful protesters from the Feds (that's the optic).

This entire mess in Portland just gets more bizarre every night. IMO let law enforcement in Portland handle it. They do have to protect federal buildings unless they want to give trump a reason to keep bringing in federal officers. The law enforcement agencies in Portland have done a terrible job keeping control in their city.

[CU77]

Here's an idea for Republicans (and I am totally serious about this): call for the abolition of police unions.

Republicans hate unions, right? Especially public-sector unions. So why are police unions exempted?

I've been saying that for months. It's such a mind-numbingly simple thing to do, and these urban citizens who have had enough of the game of protecting bad policing.....I frankly cannot believe that there isn't one single smart Republican leader out there with a bullhorn, helping these citizens get good governance.

THAT is what I've been trying to say for months now. Thank you CU77.

Wake up, Republicans. FFS, wake up.

IMO, it's not a lack of understanding that drives this. Republicans (including those on this board like C&S, ya, PB) understand it all perfectly well. It's just that they LIKE police unions, because otherwise the police would be at the mercy of the policies of elected government. Also, they LIKE the police going out and bashing heads of those they perceive as bad guys. The bad guys include anyone complaining about the police, but most especially BLM and anyone claiming any sort of systemic racism, because these Republicans know themselves to be personally not racist, and believe that this is plenty good enough. (Spoiler alert: it's not.)

[a fan]

This entire mess in Portland just gets more bizarre every night. IMO let law enforcement in Portland handle it. They do have to protect federal buildings unless they want to give trump a reason to keep bringing in federal officers. The law enforcement agencies in Portland have done a terrible job keeping control in their city.

It's a fine line, and hard to do. The pigs (the violent protesters) are looking for a fight in the mud. Believe it or not, this ain't the Portland mayor's first rodeo, and he doesn't want to fall into this easy to see trap.

Trump and some posters here want to give them that fight, because that's what makes sense to them. When you're a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Trump knows that violence from the police to keep the "kwayzeee hippies" in line, makes his base really, really happy.

[old salt]

This entire mess in Portland just gets more bizarre every night. IMO let law enforcement in Portland handle it. They do have to protect federal buildings unless they want to give trump a reason to keep bringing in federal officers. The law enforcement agencies in Portland have done a terrible job keeping control in their city.

It's a fine line, and hard to do. The pigs (the violent protesters) are looking for a fight in the mud. Believe it or not, this ain't the Portland mayor's first rodeo, and he doesn't want to fall into this easy to see trap.

Trump and some posters here want to give them that fight, because that's what makes sense to them. When you're a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Trump knows that violence from the police to keep the "kwayzeee hippies" in line, makes his base really, really happy.

So what's your solution ? What happens if the Fed's withdraw or try to stay holed up inside ?
These reinforcements were sent when the rioters broke through doors & windows & tried to set fires.
Do you advocate abandoning the Court House & other Fed bldg ?

Are the Wall of Vets helping stabilize the situation ? Are they helping keep the rioters back from the fence, obstructing them from breaching the fence & throwing flammables, fireworks & projectiles over the fence ? If not, they're just there to add to the chaos & violence & support the rioters.

If the rioters continue to try to break down the fence & throw things over it, the next step is to lay a barrier of concertina wire in front of the fencing to keep the rioters off of it.

Trump is not going to back down & it does not appear likely that the Courts will order their Federal protectors to pull back.
What's the Woke plan to resolve this peacefully without unacceptable damage to Fed property ? We no longer use such harsh measures.

Maybe we could ask our more enlightened allies the Germans to loan us a couple of their water cannon trucks to keep the rioters back from the Fed bldgs.

[holmes435]

Here's a crazy idea. Maybe we could address some of their concerns as a federal governing body?

[Typical Lax Dad]

This entire mess in Portland just gets more bizarre every night. IMO let law enforcement in Portland handle it. They do have to protect federal buildings unless they want to give trump a reason to keep bringing in federal officers. The law enforcement agencies in Portland have done a terrible job keeping control in their city.

It's a fine line, and hard to do. The pigs (the violent protesters) are looking for a fight in the mud. Believe it or not, this ain't the Portland mayor's first rodeo, and he doesn't want to fall into this easy to see trap.

Trump and some posters here want to give them that fight, because that's what makes sense to them. When you're a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Trump knows that violence from the police to keep the "kwayzeee hippies" in line, makes his base really, really happy.

So what's your solution ? What happens if the Fed's withdraw or try to stay holed up inside ?
These reinforcements were sent when the rioters broke through doors & windows & tried to set fires.
Do you advocate abandoning the Court House & other Fed bldg ?

Are the Wall of Vets helping stabilize the situation ? Are they helping keep the rioters back from the fence, obstructing them from breaching the fence & throwing flammables, fireworks & projectiles over the fence ? If not, they're just there to add to the chaos & violence & support the rioters.

If the rioters continue to try to break down the fence & throw things over it, the next step is to lay a barrier of concertina wire in front of the fencing to keep the rioters off of it.

Trump is not going to back down & it does not appear likely that the Courts will order their Federal protectors to pull back.
What's the Woke plan to resolve this peacefully without unacceptable damage to Fed property ? We no longer use such harsh measures.

Maybe we could ask our more enlightened allies the Germans to loan us a couple of their water cannon trucks to keep the rioters back from the Fed bldgs.

You talking about Benghazi or Portland?



MAGA

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://apple.news/AzBwal8RMT8WmtTJZOb-_SA

[old salt]

This entire mess in Portland just gets more bizarre every night. IMO let law enforcement in Portland handle it. They do have to protect federal buildings unless they want to give trump a reason to keep bringing in federal officers. The law enforcement agencies in Portland have done a terrible job keeping control in their city.

It's a fine line, and hard to do. The pigs (the violent protesters) are looking for a fight in the mud. Believe it or not, this ain't the Portland mayor's first rodeo, and he doesn't want to fall into this easy to see trap.

Trump and some posters here want to give them that fight, because that's what makes sense to them. When you're a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Trump knows that violence from the police to keep the "kwayzeee hippies" in line, makes his base really, really happy.

So what's your solution ? What happens if the Fed's withdraw or try to stay holed up inside ?
These reinforcements were sent when the rioters broke through doors & windows & tried to set fires.
Do you advocate abandoning the Court House & other Fed bldg ?

Are the Wall of Vets helping stabilize the situation ? Are they helping keep the rioters back from the fence, obstructing them from breaching the fence & throwing flammables, fireworks & projectiles over the fence ? If not, they're just there to add to the chaos & violence & support the rioters.

If the rioters continue to try to break down the fence & throw things over it, the next step is to lay a barrier of concertina wire in front of the fencing to keep the rioters off of it.

Trump is not going to back down & it does not appear likely that the Courts will order their Federal protectors to pull back.
What's the Woke plan to resolve this peacefully without unacceptable damage to Fed property ? We no longer use such harsh measures.

Maybe we could ask our more enlightened allies the Germans to loan us a couple of their water cannon trucks to keep the rioters back from the Fed bldgs.

You talking about Benghazi or Portland?

https://digit.site36.net/2019/12/07/ger ... obedience/

[Brooklyn]

right wing CONservatives used to complain about intrusive, overreaching government but now endorse what they used to condemn:






How CONvenient!

[youthathletics]

This entire mess in Portland just gets more bizarre every night. IMO let law enforcement in Portland handle it. They do have to protect federal buildings unless they want to give trump a reason to keep bringing in federal officers. The law enforcement agencies in Portland have done a terrible job keeping control in their city.

It's a fine line, and hard to do. The pigs (the violent protesters) are looking for a fight in the mud. Believe it or not, this ain't the Portland mayor's first rodeo, and he doesn't want to fall into this easy to see trap.

Trump and some posters here want to give them that fight, because that's what makes sense to them. When you're a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Trump knows that violence from the police to keep the "kwayzeee hippies" in line, makes his base really, really happy.

So what's your solution ? What happens if the Fed's withdraw or try to stay holed up inside ?
These reinforcements were sent when the rioters broke through doors & windows & tried to set fires.
Do you advocate abandoning the Court House & other Fed bldg ?

Are the Wall of Vets helping stabilize the situation ? Are they helping keep the rioters back from the fence, obstructing them from breaching the fence & throwing flammables, fireworks & projectiles over the fence ? If not, they're just there to add to the chaos & violence & support the rioters.

If the rioters continue to try to break down the fence & throw things over it, the next step is to lay a barrier of concertina wire in front of the fencing to keep the rioters off of it.

Trump is not going to back down & it does not appear likely that the Courts will order their Federal protectors to pull back.
What's the Woke plan to resolve this peacefully without unacceptable damage to Fed property ? We no longer use such harsh measures.

Maybe we could ask our more enlightened allies the Germans to loan us a couple of their water cannon trucks to keep the rioters back from the Fed bldgs.

It has nothing to do with Trumps "Base".

Meanwhile....in Va, the police got it under control. Would've been nice if Portland officers had that opportunity, but sadly, their boss wants chaos. Even for a radical like Northam, so far, his police have the responsibility and were got it under control.

https://wtop.com/virginia/2020/07/fires ... a-protest/

[6x6]

Here's an idea for Republicans (and I am totally serious about this): call for the abolition of police unions.

Republicans hate unions, right? Especially public-sector unions. So why are police unions exempted?

I've been saying that for months. It's such a mind-numbingly simple thing to do, and these urban citizens who have had enough of the game of protecting bad policing.....I frankly cannot believe that there isn't one single smart Republican leader out there with a bullhorn, helping these citizens get good governance.

THAT is what I've been trying to say for months now. Thank you CU77.

Wake up, Republicans. FFS, wake up.

Would you and CU allow the employees of the various law enforcement agencies any type of organization for the purpose of interacting with the governmental entity they work for?

[CU77]

Whatever the police are allowed to do, teachers are allowed to do.

Can you agree to that?

But to answer your question: no, there should be no organizations for any public employees (teachers, police, etc etc etc) that have negotiating authority concerning salaries, working conditions, firings, promotions and demotions, etc. And absolutely no striking.

Of course, they are free to privately associate with each other however they choose.

[CU88]

Such brave men in our military right now. What a joke.

[jhu72]

This entire mess in Portland just gets more bizarre every night. IMO let law enforcement in Portland handle it. They do have to protect federal buildings unless they want to give trump a reason to keep bringing in federal officers. The law enforcement agencies in Portland have done a terrible job keeping control in their city.

It's a fine line, and hard to do. The pigs (the violent protesters) are looking for a fight in the mud. Believe it or not, this ain't the Portland mayor's first rodeo, and he doesn't want to fall into this easy to see trap.

Trump and some posters here want to give them that fight, because that's what makes sense to them. When you're a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Trump knows that violence from the police to keep the "kwayzeee hippies" in line, makes his base really, really happy.

So what's your solution ? What happens if the Fed's withdraw or try to stay holed up inside ?
These reinforcements were sent when the rioters broke through doors & windows & tried to set fires.
Do you advocate abandoning the Court House & other Fed bldg ?

Are the Wall of Vets helping stabilize the situation ? Are they helping keep the rioters back from the fence, obstructing them from breaching the fence & throwing flammables, fireworks & projectiles over the fence ? If not, they're just there to add to the chaos & violence & support the rioters.

If the rioters continue to try to break down the fence & throw things over it, the next step is to lay a barrier of concertina wire in front of the fencing to keep the rioters off of it.

Trump is not going to back down & it does not appear likely that the Courts will order their Federal protectors to pull back.
What's the Woke plan to resolve this peacefully without unacceptable damage to Fed property ? We no longer use such harsh measures.

Maybe we could ask our more enlightened allies the Germans to loan us a couple of their water cannon trucks to keep the rioters back from the Fed bldgs.

It has nothing to do with Trumps "Base".

Meanwhile....in Va, the police got it under control. Would've been nice if Portland officers had that opportunity, but sadly, their boss wants chaos. Even for a radical like Northam, so far, his police have the responsibility and were got it under control.

https://wtop.com/virginia/2020/07/fires ... a-protest/

… you realize now of course that those in Richmond responsible for the violence were right wing white supremacists?? Dressed up as ANTIFA. You understand this, right?

… those nice white boys who are good people according to your tribe.

[old salt]

Such brave men in our military right now. What a joke.

How 'bout a link to the source of that photo that would enable us to authenticate your claim.
You assume that's a member of the military ? What service & unit & where ? What do the patches on his shoulder say ?
Did he approach the woman or did she step in front of him ? What munition is he using ?

[youthathletics]

This entire mess in Portland just gets more bizarre every night. IMO let law enforcement in Portland handle it. They do have to protect federal buildings unless they want to give trump a reason to keep bringing in federal officers. The law enforcement agencies in Portland have done a terrible job keeping control in their city.

It's a fine line, and hard to do. The pigs (the violent protesters) are looking for a fight in the mud. Believe it or not, this ain't the Portland mayor's first rodeo, and he doesn't want to fall into this easy to see trap.

Trump and some posters here want to give them that fight, because that's what makes sense to them. When you're a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Trump knows that violence from the police to keep the "kwayzeee hippies" in line, makes his base really, really happy.

So what's your solution ? What happens if the Fed's withdraw or try to stay holed up inside ?
These reinforcements were sent when the rioters broke through doors & windows & tried to set fires.
Do you advocate abandoning the Court House & other Fed bldg ?

Are the Wall of Vets helping stabilize the situation ? Are they helping keep the rioters back from the fence, obstructing them from breaching the fence & throwing flammables, fireworks & projectiles over the fence ? If not, they're just there to add to the chaos & violence & support the rioters.

If the rioters continue to try to break down the fence & throw things over it, the next step is to lay a barrier of concertina wire in front of the fencing to keep the rioters off of it.

Trump is not going to back down & it does not appear likely that the Courts will order their Federal protectors to pull back.
What's the Woke plan to resolve this peacefully without unacceptable damage to Fed property ? We no longer use such harsh measures.

Maybe we could ask our more enlightened allies the Germans to loan us a couple of their water cannon trucks to keep the rioters back from the Fed bldgs.

It has nothing to do with Trumps "Base".

Meanwhile....in Va, the police got it under control. Would've been nice if Portland officers had that opportunity, but sadly, their boss wants chaos. Even for a radical like Northam, so far, his police have the responsibility and were got it under control.

https://wtop.com/virginia/2020/07/fires ... a-protest/

… you realize now of course that those in Richmond responsible for the violence were right wing white supremacists?? Dressed up as ANTIFA. You understand this, right?

… those nice white boys who are good people according to your tribe.

Nice try, but WRONG.

Are you exercising your inner-Jerry Nadler that ANTIFA is a Washington DC made myth?

Everyone knows there are knuckleheads on both sides, the point, was the police were immediately involved AND they arrested them. The boogaloo Boys identify as libertarians, prog gun BUT anti Government...not Trump Base level headed republicans.

[Peter Brown]

Such brave men in our military right now. What a joke.

How 'bout a link to the source of that photo that would enable us to authenticate your claim.
You assume that's a member of the military ? What service & unit & where ? What do the patches on his shoulder say ?
Did he approach the woman or did she step in front of him ? What munition is he using ?

Also, he's not looking at her and is pointing the barrel to her left, not at her. Meaning, he is focused on something other than what CU88 thinks. Plus, she is being decidedly uncooperative with all safety protocols on masks, and I think she should be fired from any job she ever applies for as a result...risking all of us!

Otherwise, CU88 has a great post!

[jhu72]

This entire mess in Portland just gets more bizarre every night. IMO let law enforcement in Portland handle it. They do have to protect federal buildings unless they want to give trump a reason to keep bringing in federal officers. The law enforcement agencies in Portland have done a terrible job keeping control in their city.

It's a fine line, and hard to do. The pigs (the violent protesters) are looking for a fight in the mud. Believe it or not, this ain't the Portland mayor's first rodeo, and he doesn't want to fall into this easy to see trap.

Trump and some posters here want to give them that fight, because that's what makes sense to them. When you're a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Trump knows that violence from the police to keep the "kwayzeee hippies" in line, makes his base really, really happy.

So what's your solution ? What happens if the Fed's withdraw or try to stay holed up inside ?
These reinforcements were sent when the rioters broke through doors & windows & tried to set fires.
Do you advocate abandoning the Court House & other Fed bldg ?

Are the Wall of Vets helping stabilize the situation ? Are they helping keep the rioters back from the fence, obstructing them from breaching the fence & throwing flammables, fireworks & projectiles over the fence ? If not, they're just there to add to the chaos & violence & support the rioters.

If the rioters continue to try to break down the fence & throw things over it, the next step is to lay a barrier of concertina wire in front of the fencing to keep the rioters off of it.

Trump is not going to back down & it does not appear likely that the Courts will order their Federal protectors to pull back.
What's the Woke plan to resolve this peacefully without unacceptable damage to Fed property ? We no longer use such harsh measures.

Maybe we could ask our more enlightened allies the Germans to loan us a couple of their water cannon trucks to keep the rioters back from the Fed bldgs.

It has nothing to do with Trumps "Base".

Meanwhile....in Va, the police got it under control. Would've been nice if Portland officers had that opportunity, but sadly, their boss wants chaos. Even for a radical like Northam, so far, his police have the responsibility and were got it under control.

https://wtop.com/virginia/2020/07/fires ... a-protest/

… you realize now of course that those in Richmond responsible for the violence were right wing white supremacists?? Dressed up as ANTIFA. You understand this, right?

… those nice white boys who are good people according to your tribe.

Nice try, but WRONG.

Are you exercising your inner-Jerry Nadler that ANTIFA is a Washington DC made myth?

Everyone knows there are knuckleheads on both sides, the point, was the police were immediately involved AND they arrested them. The boogaloo Boys identify as libertarians, prog gun BUT anti Government...not Trump Base level headed republicans.

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