"The Deep State" aka the American Intelligence Community

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easy MDlax..doesn't mean it won't happen again 8-)
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8-) :twisted: :ugeek:
STILL somewhere back in the day....

...and waiting/hoping for a tinfoil hat emoji......
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HooDat wrote:8-) :twisted: :ugeek:
we definitely need more emojis ;)
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THE PREDICTABLE RESULT OF ASYMMETRY IN TERRORISM POLICING: ANDREW MCCABE’S DEMISE

"Irrespective of the merit or not in the finding that Andrew McCabe lacked candor with the IG, he got treated the way he did because a man whose entire political career is based off feeding white resentment needed to appear to be a victim of Andrew McCabe. That act, by itself, was not about Trump’s white supremacist ideology. But it is a structure of power that is white supremacist (exacerbated by Trump’s narcissism).

We have a President Trump in significant part because this country has tolerated and even rewarded white supremacist ideology, institutionally ignoring that it poses as much of a risk as violent Islamic ideology. It would be really useful if people like Andrew McCabe spend some time publicly accounting for that fact.

The white supremacy that brought us the Trump presidency would not be possible if we had treated violent white supremacist terror as terror for the last twenty years."


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So PottyMouthMarcie tells us that McCabe's sin was his overzealous pursuit of Islamic terrorists,
rather than getting all those White Nationalists who elected Trump. Got it.
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old salt wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:09 pm So PottyMouthMarcie tells us that McCabe's sin was his overzealous pursuit of Islamic terrorists,
rather than getting all those White Nationalists who elected Trump. Got it.
I had much the same reaction.
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old salt wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:09 pm So PottyMouthMarcie tells us that McCabe's sin was his overzealous pursuit of Islamic terrorists,
rather than getting all those White Nationalists who elected Trump. Got it.
Did I miss something. She talked about Trump voters in that piece?
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"The purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure poor reasoning, and inhibit clarity. With a little practice, writing can be an intimidating and impenetrable fog." - Calvin, to Hobbes
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Barr's first 4 years in govt service, during & right after law school, were in the CIA, as an analyst and assistant legislative counsel.

Perhap's Barr has learned something about the IC's activities we don't know about (yet).

Barr has always been up front about his expansive view of executive authority.
He was confirmed, nonetheless.

Ignatius was on MJ this a.m. Seemed concerned for his sources, at home & abroad.
Might have to rewrite the outline for his next 'spy' novel.
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old salt wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:09 pm So PottyMouthMarcie tells us that McCabe's sin was his overzealous pursuit of Islamic terrorists,
rather than getting all those White Nationalists who elected Trump. Got it.
"PottyMouthMarcie"? IMO,you are bit thin skinned.Judging by your high dudgeon triggered by her words,I can only imagine how horrified :shock: you would have been if you heard the Lingua Franca that filled the air throughout my BUD/S training.(BUD/S is a course offered by the U.S. Navy).

Lot's of cussing going around these days.Hell even our POTUS has uttered a few bon mots in public.
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Funny thing is, Marcy didn't even pen the piece our snowflakey comrade is complaining about. Like many good sites these days, EmptyWheel has several contributors. :lol:

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dislaxxic wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:55 pm Funny thing is, Marcy didn't even pen the piece our snowflakey comrade is complaining about. Like many good sites these days, EmptyWheel has several contributors. :lol:
This was the piece in question. No byline. Who was the author ?
https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/03/20/t ... es-demise/

If PottyMouthMarcy posted here, she'd be in the penalty box.
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it's more than just the intelligence community. Around 4,000 Obama political appointees converted to Senior Executive Service positions, so they are dug into the bureaucracy. Apparently the DHS is loaded with them. It will never happen, but we really need reform in hiring and firing of federal employees.
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get it to x wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:17 pm it's more than just the intelligence community. Around 4,000 Obama political appointees converted to Senior Executive Service positions, so they are dug into the bureaucracy. Apparently the DHS is loaded with them. It will never happen, but we really need reform in hiring and firing of federal employees.
:lol: So anyone appointed by Obama is "bad". And this is because......why, again?

Neat.

Here's how you can "fix" the system: only allow registered Republican into Federal positions. Because people with little R's by their names are good, and people with little D's by their names are bad, right?

Great system. When can we start..
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But soooo many of the Deep Staters are republicans -- like Mueller and Rosenstein.

The real problem is that all those forking Deep Staters annoyingly insist upon following the laws. That just doesn't cut it in MAGA-land. Hence today's story that Trump offered to pardon his new acting DHS guy if he violated any laws by doing what Trump wants him to do. That would be an outrage in any other administration. For this administration, it is just a slow Friday afternoon.

To really handle the Deep Staters, you really need to go full Shakespeare -- ''The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.''

That line from Henry VI is spoken by rebels trying to overthrow the government. Those rebels, like the MAGAs, know that you have to dispense with the rule of law in order to get your stuff done.
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ggait wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:50 pm But soooo many of the Deep Staters are republicans -- like Mueller and Rosenstein.

The real problem is that all those forking Deep Staters annoyingly insist upon following the laws. That just doesn't cut it in MAGA-land. Hence today's story that Trump offered to pardon his new acting DHS guy if he violated any laws by doing what Trump wants him to do. That would be an outrage in any other administration. For this administration, it is just a slow Friday afternoon.

To really handle the Deep Staters, you really need to go full Shakespeare -- ''The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.''

That line from Henry VI is spoken by rebels trying to overthrow the government. Those rebels, like the MAGAs, know that you have to dispense with the rule of law in order to get your stuff done.
That's why R's do so well in Montgomery, Prince Georges and Fairfax counties. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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BTW, is Rosenstein a mystery wrapped in an enigma? On the one hand he's rumored to be in on a 25th amendment plot and then he comes out and defends Barr. I'm leaning towards him being an "institutionalist" that is hedging all the time to protect his position. I also think he wanted to leave earlier and Barr made him finish the job he started and face the results, no matter how they turned out.

Rather than Shakespeare, I prefer Franklin - "Three can keep a secret if two are dead". Hopefully the truth will be revealed eventually.
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ggait wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:50 pm But soooo many of the Deep Staters are republicans -- like Mueller and Rosenstein.

The real problem is that all those forking Deep Staters annoyingly insist upon following the laws. That just doesn't cut it in MAGA-land. Hence today's story that Trump offered to pardon his new acting DHS guy if he violated any laws by doing what Trump wants him to do. That would be an outrage in any other administration. For this administration, it is just a slow Friday afternoon.

To really handle the Deep Staters, you really need to go full Shakespeare -- ''The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.''

That line from Henry VI is spoken by rebels trying to overthrow the government. Those rebels, like the MAGAs, know that you have to dispense with the rule of law in order to get your stuff done.
+1

This really is all about the rule of law versus the authoritarian rule of men.
Always has been.

Which is why actual American conservatives aren't Trumpists; indeed are horrified by Trumpism.

Conservatives' fundamental concern is man's capacity to do evil to others if they have too much power; they believe in Constitutional checks and balances and the rule of law to prevent the "King" or other centralized power from trampling the rights and freedoms of those less powerful.

Those checks and balances are designed to prevent radical change, and instead encourage change to be incremental and tested and re-tested.

Of course, incremental change can be frustrating to the radical, whether left or right, who, in their 'righteous zeal', 'wish instead to impose their desired changes swiftly, by authoritarian fiat if necessary.

Right now, the authoritarian right wing is ascendant.
Some day it could be the authoritarian left wing.

The true American conservative respects the progressive's ideals, just wants to move carefully, within the framework of the rule of law and checks and balances.

Trumpism is about anger, fear, and hate, and the desire for a 'strong man' to solve its frustrations swiftly, ignoring the rule of law.

And such power is inevitably corrupt.
All the more so when the 'strong man' has lived a corrupt life, and surrounded himself with corrupt toadies.
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Reflections on the President’s Delegation of Declassification Authority to the Attorney General [LawFare]

"These days, many Americans fear, the attorney general has been given a different role: facilitating the political declassification of intelligence community materials the president wishes to make public to retaliate against the intelligence leadership for investigating him. Whereas once the public needed the attorney general to protect it from abuses by the intelligence agencies, today some believe that the intelligence agencies need protection from the attorney general."

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"The president’s order serves both signaling and operational functions. As a matter of signaling, President Trump’s order advises his political adversaries and opponents, as well as the federal workforce, that he strongly supports Barr’s investigation—or perhaps it is better to say investigations—of the Russia investigation. As one of us put it recently, “The president is not known for the precision, judiciousness or thoughtfulness of his attacks, but he is in attack mode here and we seem to be opening a new front.” The Department of Justice actually has multiple meta-Russia investigations underway, including by its inspector general and one or two U.S. attorneys. But now the attorney general’s overarching review will also play a role, perhaps in framing and previewing the results of those investigations as he framed and previewed the results of the Mueller report (for which he has been criticized harshly and was reproved even by Special Counsel Robert Mueller himself).

Nor does the president even pretend his action is about anything other than a political war he is fighting. This is his chance to go after the witch hunters and those he accuses of “treason” and a “hoax.” While Barr frames his concerns in terms of whether the intelligence community had proper predication for its investigative steps, Trump does not bother. The president has given the attorney general unprecedented declassification authority for no reason more elevated than so that Barr can use it to embarrass Trump’s enemies, including incidentally, allied foreign intelligence services that cooperated with our intelligence services."


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“The president is not known for the precision, judiciousness or thoughtfulness of his attacks, but he is in attack mode here and we seem to be opening a new front.”

I would actually say he is in counterattack mode. He was attacked by the IC leadership with a "hoax" that was also serving another purpose, namely covering up all sorts of spying abuses by those same agencies under the Obama administration. The error rate (citizens who were unmasked who should not have been) was at 85%. Most of the querying was done by "contractors", with unmasking by people like Samantha Power. Many of the people unmasked were unmasked multiple times. Obama/Holder made it easier to disseminate the information to many agencies via an executive order.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... americans/

The FBI was reprimanded by Judge Collyer and one FISC judge, Rudy Contreras, had to recuse from the Flynn case right before plea.

Funny how the supposed defenders of transparency feel about discovering the genesis of this whole stinking affair.
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