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Matnum PI wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:10 pm Garry Kasparov @Kasparov63
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Facebook pages of Navalny and Khodorkovsky groups and supporters have been suspended. Even small accounts like the Free Russia Forum's on Instagram have been blocked after thousands of fake complaints from new Kremlin bot accounts.
What is the over and under for how long Navalny remains above room temperature?
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Parler now has one degree of separation from Russian intelligence services.
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jhu72 wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:14 pm Parler now has one degree of separation from Russian intelligence services.
i heard they tried the Diane Feinstein China connection, but they said their hands were tied. 😂
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jhu72 wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:14 pm Parler now has one degree of separation from Russian intelligence services.
Tripe about to spoil. Who are these people.....
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We no longer have a President who believes Vladimir Putin instead of his own government.
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CU88 wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:07 am We no longer have a President who believes Vladimir Putin instead of his own government.
We no longer have a President who knows when it is time to urinate. Unless he decided he should urinate on Putin's pant leg. :lol:
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WASHINGTON — The Biden administration revealed on Thursday that a business associate of Trump campaign officials in 2016 provided campaign polling data to Russian intelligence services, the strongest evidence to date that Russian spies had penetrated the inner workings of the Trump campaign.

The revelation, made public in a Treasury Department document announcing new sanctions against Russia, established for the first time that private meetings and communications between the campaign officials, Paul Manafort and Rick Gates, and their business associate were a direct pipeline from the campaign to Russian spies at a time when the Kremlin was engaged in a covert effort to sabotage the 2016 presidential election.



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This bombshell breaking news about Manafort, Gates & Kilimnik is recycled old news being ginned up again to confuse the public into thinking it has something to do with the new sanctions now being imposed. Mueller had all this info & it was thoroughly reported then. It has nothing to do with solar winds or the attempts to interfere with the 2020 election which are the grounds for this round of sanctions.

Any news about the Russian spy who worked for Fional Hill & Strobe Talbot who was Christopher Steele's primary source. ?
Did they throw that in too ?
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old salt wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:17 am This bombshell breaking news about Manafort, Gates & Kilimnik is recycled old news being ginned up again to confuse the public into thinking it has something to do with the new sanctions now being imposed. Mueller had all this info & it was thoroughly reported then. It has nothing to do with solar winds or the attempts to interfere with the 2020 election which are the grounds for this round of sanctions.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... n-n1264215

While he was campaigning for president, Joe Biden treated as fact that U.S. intel agencies had determined Russia had paid the Taliban to kill Americans in Afghanistan.

"I don't understand why this president is unwilling to take on Putin when he's actually paying bounties to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan," Biden said of President Trump, speaking to Kristen Welker of NBC News during the Oct. 22 presidential debate.

Such a definitive statement was questionable even then. On Thursday, it became more clear that the truth of the matter is unresolved.

Last fall, while Biden was a candidate, Pentagon officials told NBC News they could not substantiate that such bounties were paid.
They still have not found any evidence, a senior defense official said Thursday. And the Biden administration also made clear in a fact sheet released Thursday that the CIA's intelligence on the matter is far from conclusive, acknowledging that analysts labeled it "low to moderate confidence."

After Biden became president — and began receiving more detailed intelligence briefings — his comments about the alleged Russian incentive payments became more careful. On Jan. 25, for example, he referred to "reports of bounties."

Military officials say they have looked hard but found no other evidence to corroborate that such a program existed.

In September, Gen. Frank McKenzie, commander of the U.S. Central Command, whose remit includes Afghanistan, told NBC News, "It just has not been proved to a level of certainty that satisfies me."

"We continue to look for that evidence," the general added. "I just haven't seen it yet. But … it's not a closed issue."

McKenzie's comments reflected a consensus view in the military. Defense Secretary Mark Esper told the House Armed Services Committee in July that "All the defense intelligence agencies have been unable to corroborate that report. "That has not changed, a senior official with direct knowledge told NBC News Thursday.

McKenzie said in September that if he could establish that the Russians were offering payments to kill Americans, he would push to forcefully respond. But the intelligence is far from conclusive, he said.

A U.S. military official familiar with the intelligence added at the time that after a review of the intelligence around each attack against Americans going back several years, none has been tied to any Russian incentive payments.

McKenzie could not be reached for comment, but the official familiar with the intelligence told NBC News Thursday that no Taliban attack had been tied to Russia.
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"If we were sure Trump committed no crime we would have said so."

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April 15, 2021
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April 15 is a curiously fraught day in American history.

In 1865, President Abraham Lincoln breathed his last at 7:22 a.m., and Secretary of War Edwin Stanton, who adored the president, said, “Now he belongs to the ages.”

In 1912, the British passenger liner RMS Titanic sank at 2:20 a.m. after hitting an iceberg in the North Atlantic.

In 1920, two security guards in Braintree, Massachusetts, were murdered on this date; Nicola Sacco and Bartolomeo Vanzetti would be accused of the crime, convicted, and, in 1927, executed.

In 1947, Jackie Robinson debuted for the Brooklyn Dodgers, breaking the color line in baseball.

And in 2013, two bombs exploded near the finish line of the Boston Marathon, killing three people and wounding 264 others.

The significance of April 15, 2021 is not nearly as obviously dramatic as any of these other landmark days, but there was, in fact, new information that shifts our understanding of both our past and our future.

Today, the Treasury Department announced sanctions against sixteen entities and sixteen individuals working with the Russian government who tried to swing the 2020 presidential election or who were involved in the recent cyberattack on federal agencies and American businesses. The sanctions have teeth: they prohibit U.S. banks from investing in Russian bonds, making it hard for Russia to borrow money. The U.S. also expelled ten Russian diplomats. NATO officials expressed their support for the U.S. move, British officials called in the Russian ambassador to express their concern at Russia’s “pattern of malign activity,” and Poland expelled three Russian diplomats.

In announcing the sanctions, the Treasury Department called out Konstantin Kilimnik, the former partner of Trump’s 2016 campaign chair, Paul Manafort: the two worked together during Manafort’s days in Ukraine politics. The Treasury Department said Kilimnik “is a Russian and Ukrainian political consultant and known Russian Intelligence Services agent implementing influence operations on their behalf.” That much we knew from the report of the Senate Intelligence Committee on Russian interference in the 2016 election. (Remember, the Senate Intelligence Committee that produced that report was dominated by Republicans.)

We also knew from the Senate Intelligence Report that Manafort had provided Kilimnik with secret polling data from the Trump campaign in 2016—his business partner and campaign deputy Rick Gates testified to that—but the committee did not have evidence about what Kilimnik had done with that data.

Today’s Treasury document provides that information. It says: “During the 2016 U.S. presidential election campaign, Kilimnik provided the Russian Intelligence Services with sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy.”

It is hard to overestimate the significance of this statement. It says that Trump’s 2016 campaign manager, Paul Manafort, provided secret polling data and information about campaign strategy to a Russian intelligence officer, who shared it with Russian intelligence. Russian intelligence, as we also know from both the Mueller Report and the Senate Intelligence Committee report, both hacked emails of the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign, and targeted U.S. social media to swing the 2016 election against Democrat Hillary Clinton and to Donald Trump.

By itself, the statement that the Trump campaign worked with Russian intelligence is earthshaking. But aside from the information about the exchange of this particular kind of intelligence in 2016, this statement also indicates that the Trump campaign itself was not simply operating in happy if unintentional tandem with Russian intelligence-- which was as far as the Muller Report was willing to go-- but in fact had an open channel with Russian operatives. That’s a game-changer in terms of how we understand 2016 and, perhaps, the years that have followed it.

But there was more in the Treasury announcement than a revelation about Russian actions in 2016 and since. The Treasury also announced sanctions against Pakistani entities and individuals who are “instrumental in processing payment for fraudulent identities.” While the Treasury announcement singled out the work of Pakistani money launderers for Russia’s Internet Research Agency, a Russian troll farm, and while I am 1000% not a specialist in Pakistani finance, it is hard not to notice that the president announced yesterday that the U.S. will no longer fight the Taliban in Afghanistan with soldiers, and today he appears to be going after what looks like it might be a key way in which international support for the Taliban evades international law.

Meanwhile, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin have spent the past three days in Brussels, Belgium, reinforcing our loyalty to NATO and our determination to support “Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity in the face of Russia’s ongoing aggression.” Today, Blinken made a surprise trip to Afghanistan to reassure lawmakers there that the U.S. remains committed to the nation.

It sure looks like the Biden administration is doing what the president said he would yesterday: fighting the wars of the next twenty years rather than the last twenty years. Today’s steps make Russia face substantial costs for the cyberattacks that are so badly weakening our democracy and seem to put international financial pressure on those who bankroll terrorists.

It appears that we are moving into a new era in foreign policy, using our unparalleled financial power and cyber talents to defend our nation against the threats of the twenty-first century, rather than trying to fight this era’s modern wars with conventional soldiers on the ground, where terrorists hold the advantage.

While this change is not as immediately dramatic as some of our nation’s other historic events of April 15, if it holds, it would mean a major reworking of the weight of national security that has dominated our nation since World War II. And that, in turn, would have dramatic repercussions. Among other things, it would mean significant changes in our domestic economy as conventional weapons and conventional forces become less important than diplomacy, cybersecurity, and financial infrastructures.
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old salt wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:17 am This bombshell breaking news about Manafort, Gates & Kilimnik is recycled old news being ginned up again to confuse the public into thinking it has something to do with the new sanctions now being imposed. Mueller had all this info & it was thoroughly reported then. It has nothing to do with solar winds or the attempts to interfere with the 2020 election which are the grounds for this round of sanctions.

Any news about the Russian spy who worked for Fional Hill & Strobe Talbot who was Christopher Steele's primary source. ?
Did they throw that in too ?
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(U) The report includes new revelations directly related to the Trump campaign’s cooperation with Russian efforts to get Donald Trump elected. Yet significant information remains redacted. One example among many is the report’s findings with regard to the relationship between Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort and Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik.

(U) The report includes significant information demonstrating that Paul Manafort’s support for Russia and pro-Russian factions in Ukraine was deeper than previously known. The report also details extremely troubling information about the extent and nature of Manafort’s connection with Kilimnik and Manafort’s passage of campaign polling data to Kilimnik. Most troubling of all are indications that Kilimnik, and Manafort himself, were connected to Russia’s hack-and-leak operations.

(U) Unfortunately, significant aspects of this story remain hidden from the American public. Information related to Manafort’s interactions with Kilimnik, particularly in April 2016, are the subject of extensive redactions. Evidence connecting Kilimnik to the GRU’s hack-and-leak operations are likewise redacted, as are indications of Manafort’s own connections to those operations. There are redactions to important new information with regard to Manafort’s meeting in Madrid with a representative of Oleg Deripaska. The report also includes extensive information on Deripaska, a proxy for Russian intelligence and an associate of Manafort. Unfortunately, much of that information is redacted as well.

(U) The report is of urgent concern to the American people, in part due to its relevance to the 2020 election and Russia’s ongoing influence activities. The public version of the report details how Kilimnik disseminated propaganda claiming Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election, beginning even before that election and continuing into late 2019. [one sentence redacted] And the report includes information on the role of other Russian government proxies and personas in spreading false narratives about Ukrainian interference in the U.S. election. This propaganda, pushed by a Russian intelligence officer and other Russian proxies, was the basis on which Donald Trump sought to extort the current government of Ukraine into providing assistance to his reelection efforts and was at the center of Trump’s impeachment and Senate trial. That is one of the reasons why the extensive redactions in this section of the report are so deeply problematic. Only when the American people are informed about the role of an adversary in concocting and disseminating disinformation can they make democratic choices free of foreign interference.
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In a hearing today before a subcommittee of the House Armed Services Committee charged with investigating technology and information warfare, cyber policy and national security expert Dr. Herb Lin of the Hoover Institution told lawmakers that in the modern era we are not formally at war, but we are not at peace either:

“Information warfare threat to the United States is different from past threats, and it has the potential to destroy reason and reality as a basis for societal discourse, replacing them with rage and fantasy. Perpetual civil war, political extremism, waged in the information sphere and egged on by our adversaries is every bit as much of an existential threat to American civilization and democracy as any military threat imaginable.”

His warning comes two days after the power of warfare waged with disinformation once again became a top story in the U.S. On Wednesday, federal officials executed a search warrant on the home and office of Trump’s former lawyer Rudy Giuliani. To conduct such a search, investigators had to convince a judge that they had good reason to think a crime had been committed.

Investigators appear to be focusing on Giuliani’s successful attempt to get the American ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, recalled on April 24, 2019. Yovanovitch was one of our very top diplomats. She stood firmly against corruption in Ukraine, earning the fury of oligarchs connected to Russia, especially Ukraine president Petro Poroshenko; the country’s prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko; and the country’s former prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, who was fired for corruption. They wanted her gone.

On the surface, the case is about whether or not Giuliani was working for Ukrainian oligarchs as well as Trump when he undermined Yovanovitch. But it is really a story about disinformation. Giuliani wanted Yovanovitch out of the way because she refused to enable his attempt to manufacture dirt on the son of then-candidate Joe Biden, an effort designed to make it possible for Trump to win reelection.

A quick recap of the Yovanovitch part of the story: In late 2018, Ukraine-born American businessman Lev Parnas introduced Giuliani to Shokin, who was willing to say that he was fired because he was looking into Burisma, a company on whose board Hunter Biden sat (this was false). In December, Parnas and his partner Igor Fruman attended the annual White House Hanukkah party. Parnas later told people they had a private meeting with Trump and Giuliani, who gave them “a secret mission” to pressure the Ukrainian government to announce an investigation into the Bidens.

In January 2019, Giuliani tried to get a visa for Shokin to come to the U.S., but Yovanovitch denied it. So Giuliani, Parnas, and Fruman interviewed Shokin and Lutsenko where they were.

For the next three months, Lutsenko and Giuliani sparred over the announcement of an investigation into the Bidens, apparently in exchange for the removal of Yovanovitch. Meanwhile, in the U.S., journalist John Solomon, who was in contact with Lutsenko, wrote articles for The Hill attacking both the Bidens and Yovanovitch, and claiming that it was Ukraine, not Russia, that interfered in the 2016 election.

And then on April 21, Porosheko lost a presidential election to Volodymyr Zelensky.

On April 23, Giuliani announced on Twitter that Ukraine was investigating Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the DNC for conspiring with “Ukrainians and others to affect 2016 election.” And the next day, Yovanovitch was recalled.

The rest is history (sorry!): in the infamous phone call of July 25, 2019, Trump asked Zelensky to announce an investigation into the Bidens before the U.S. would release congressional appropriations to enable Ukraine to fight Russian incursions, a whistleblower complained, the Department of Justice tried to hide the complaint, and the Trump presidency began to unravel.

As the Ukraine scandal worked its way toward the president’s impeachment, Giuliani did not let up on his insistence that Ukraine, not Russia, had tried to undermine the 2016 election, and he continued to push that lie. By late 2019, the FBI warned Giuliani that Russian intelligence was targeting him to circulate lies about Biden. (It also warned One America News.) According to former FBI Special Agent and lawyer Asha Rangappa, officials likely did so both as a warning and to see if he would break away from the disinformation. He did not.

What is at stake in the recent story of the federal investigation of Giuliani is the role of disinformation in our politics. Crucially, Giuliani and Trump did not want an actual investigation of the Bidens: they just wanted an announcement of an investigation. An announcement would be enough for the media to pick up the story, and the fact it was made up out of whole cloth wouldn’t matter. People would believe there was something fishy with the man whom Trump feared (rightly, as it turned out) as his chief rival for the presidency, and his candidacy would be hobbled.

It doesn’t matter, Dr. Lin pointed out to the subcommittee today, whether foreign actors are working in concert or in parallel with American actors when they spread disinformation: the destabilizing effect is the same.
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Belarus vs Lithuania. This is how it starts.
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Trump Campaign Colluded with Russia

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old salt wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:17 am This bombshell breaking news about Manafort, Gates & Kilimnik is recycled old news being ginned up again to confuse the public into thinking it has something to do with the new sanctions now being imposed. Mueller had all this info & it was thoroughly reported then. It has nothing to do with solar winds or the attempts to interfere with the 2020 election which are the grounds for this round of sanctions.

Any news about the Russian spy who worked for Fional Hill & Strobe Talbot who was Christopher Steele's primary source. ?
Did they throw that in too ?
It remains puzzling that you so vigorously support Vladimir Putin and his corrupt dictatorship. :?

Anyway, the most recent revelations pretty much prove that the Trump campaign colluded with Russian intelligence. Is it possible that Manafort passed along internal Trump polling data to Kilimnik and Russian intelligence without Trump’s knowledge? Yes. Is it likely? Absolutely not. After all, Trump has always been pretty hands on about his campaign. It would also provide all the explanation necessary regarding Trump’s bizarre subservience to Vladimir Putin ... Trump must have known Putin could expose him at anytime. That’s why Trump acted like Putin’s stooge.

Gates told prosecutors, the notes say, that the data was “strategically useful” for deciding where to send candidates.

”Manafort’s strategic decision of where to send Pence was based on that document,” interview notes read.

In addition to what Mueller’s team heard from Gates’ himself, Mueller also obtained eight emails where Kilimnik mentioned campaign polling data. The references popped up in Kilimnik emails sent starting in late July 2016 and through mid-August, according to the newly unsealed court documents. In seven of those emails, Kilimnik said he was referring to what Trump’s “internal polling” shows.

... Both the Mueller report and the Senate Intelligence Committee report note that Manafort and Kilimnik made extensive use of encrypted messaging applications, and would, as a matter of practice, delete messages.

“When they did communicate electronically, Manafort, Gates, and Kilimnik used a variety of encrypted applications, eliminating a documentary record of many communications that almost certainly would have had high investigative value,” the Senate report reads, listing a variety of practices that Manafort used to evade detection including keeping a laptop that he only used in Ukraine, and buying a pay-as-you-go phone to communicate with Kilimnik and Gates after Manafort was indicted. FBI interview notes also show that Gates told prosecutors that he would delete messages to Kilimnik as soon as they were sent.


https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/mana ... ta-mueller

Why would Manafort utilize encrypted communication apps to communicate with Kilimnik, a Russian intelligence agent?

Again, it’s now clear that the Trump campaign colluded with Russian intelligence, almost certainly with Trump’s knowledge and consent. That would explain Trump’s undocumented discussions with Putin ... why would Trump not do the customary thing and meet Putin with an aide present?

It can all be explained if Trump knew about his campaign’s collusion with Russian intelligence.

That explains Trump and Manafort.

What explains old salt’s subservience to Putin :?: :?: :?:

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DocBarrister wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 10:16 pm Is it possible that Manafort passed along internal Trump polling data to Kilimnik and Russian intelligence without Trump’s knowledge? Yes. Is it likely? Absolutely not.
Oh, what the heck. Let's speculate. Maybe Manafort passed on the internal polling data at T****'s request. Possible? Sure. Likely? Well that may depend on the quality of the respective kompromat Putin et al. had on Manafort and the Orange Man.
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DocBarrister wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 10:16 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:17 am This bombshell breaking news about Manafort, Gates & Kilimnik is recycled old news being ginned up again to confuse the public into thinking it has something to do with the new sanctions now being imposed. Mueller had all this info & it was thoroughly reported then. It has nothing to do with solar winds or the attempts to interfere with the 2020 election which are the grounds for this round of sanctions.

Any news about the Russian spy who worked for Fional Hill & Strobe Talbot who was Christopher Steele's primary source. ?
Did they throw that in too ?
It remains puzzling that you so vigorously support Vladimir Putin and his corrupt dictatorship. :?
Try a new line of attack doc. Calling bs on the never ending PTDS Russia hoax is not support for Putin.

Why aren't you up in arms about Biden lifting Nordstream 2 sanctions or letting Putin off the hook for the Colonial pipeline hack ?
The Colonial shut down made Biden back down on Nordstream. He's afraid to stand up to Putin.
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Seems to me that what is most damning and 'new' in the redactions being revealed are the discussions of the quid pro quo, the prospective taking of half of Ukraine by Russia.

Yes, the details of what Trump Campaign Manager Manafort provided to Kiliminik are far more detailed and instructive than what we'd known (and folks like salty had pooh poohed), but it's the quid pro quo nature of the discussions that makes this clear that there's an intentional collusion at work.

Yup. This is what they were intending.
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