Conservative Ideology: A Big Lie

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:58 pm So I’m not crazy regarding my recollection of him from the 80s at least. We all make mistakes, it’s the body of work and, like the NCAA BB selection committee, how you finish.
Very interesting article. He evolved certainly but not entirely.

The famous Baldwin-Buckley debate was also in 1965, full debate posted earlier.

Here's a bit of retrospective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRzkHgMaPL4
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Today’s GOP in a nutshell: Jaw-dropping incompetence and grotesque disrespect for others

Jennifer Rubin

Two defining features of the Republican Party were on display Thursday.
...
The first, and most important, feature is the party’s jaw-dropping incompetence. We not only have Trump’s failure to address the coronavirus pandemic (as well as dozens of other examples ranging from a wall you can saw through to a government shutdown), but also the incapacity of the Republican-controlled Senate to do its job.

The Post reports: “Senate Republicans killed President Trump’s payroll tax cut proposal on Thursday but failed to reach agreement with the White House on a broader coronavirus relief bill.” ... They have had more than two months to consider a plan following the House’s swift passage of the Heroes Act. They have heard from Trump-appointed Federal Reserve Board Chair Jerome H. Powell, who urged the Senate to put together a substantial relief package. It still doesn’t have its act together.
...
Understand that this is not a matter of coming up with a proposal acceptable to Democrats. Republicans do not even know what they want. More than six months into the crisis, the slothful Senate seems ready to leave for the weekend.
...
The second defining feature of today’s Republicans is their grotesque disrespect for their fellow Americans, with a deep strain of misogyny. We have become so accustomed to Trump’s ugliness that we sometimes ignore outbursts from other Republicans. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) was not about to let that happen on Thursday.

She took to the floor to rebut Rep. Ted Yoho (R-Fla.) for his non-apology over his verbal assault on her earlier in the week, during which he reportedly called Ocasio-Cortez a “f---ing b---h.” (Yoho has denied using the slur. [It was overhead by a nearby reporter.]) Had Yoho made an equivalent statement concerning an African American male colleague, leadership would have been under pressure to condemn him, strip him of privileges (as was the case in handling remarks made by Rep. Steve King of Iowa) or even boot him from the House. With a woman as the victim, they were prepared to do exactly nothing.

Ocasio-Cortez elegantly skewered not only Yoho but the men who silently stand by after such displays. “This issue is not about one incident. It is cultural,” she said. “It is a culture of ... impunity, of accepting of violence and violent language against women, and an entire structure of power that supports that.” She pointed to Trump as well, recalling his comment that four congresswomen of color (including herself) — each of them U.S. citizens — should “go back” to where they came from. She added: "Having a daughter does not make a man decent. Having a wife does not make a decent man. Treating people with dignity and respect makes a decent man. And when a decent man messes up, as we all are bound to do, he tries his best and does apologize.”

Instead, today’s Republican Party rewards displays of insensitivity, disrespect, meanness and bigotry as a sign one will not be contained by “elites” or “political correctness.” It tolerates support for the Confederate flag and white nationalism. It ignores protesters screaming in the faces of health-care workers to protest one’s right to go mask-less, thereby endangering others. The culture of bullying and the disdain for others is not an incidental part of the GOP; it is central to its identity.

A party that disdains government should not run for office. A party that celebrates rudeness, incivility, meanness and bigotry should be shunned. Rehabilitation for the GOP? It’s impossible to imagine, given its cast of characters.


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You should vote for the party that loots riots and embraces mayhem. Same party which hates American success.

In other words, antifa marxists that disdain America. The non charitable party which doesn’t create jobs.
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CU77 wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:25 pm Today’s GOP in a nutshell: Jaw-dropping incompetence and grotesque disrespect for others

Jennifer Rubin

Two defining features of the Republican Party were on display Thursday.
...
The first, and most important, feature is the party’s jaw-dropping incompetence. We not only have Trump’s failure to address the coronavirus pandemic (as well as dozens of other examples ranging from a wall you can saw through to a government shutdown), but also the incapacity of the Republican-controlled Senate to do its job.

The Post reports: “Senate Republicans killed President Trump’s payroll tax cut proposal on Thursday but failed to reach agreement with the White House on a broader coronavirus relief bill.” ... They have had more than two months to consider a plan following the House’s swift passage of the Heroes Act. They have heard from Trump-appointed Federal Reserve Board Chair Jerome H. Powell, who urged the Senate to put together a substantial relief package. It still doesn’t have its act together.
...
Understand that this is not a matter of coming up with a proposal acceptable to Democrats. Republicans do not even know what they want. More than six months into the crisis, the slothful Senate seems ready to leave for the weekend.
...
The second defining feature of today’s Republicans is their grotesque disrespect for their fellow Americans, with a deep strain of misogyny. We have become so accustomed to Trump’s ugliness that we sometimes ignore outbursts from other Republicans. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) was not about to let that happen on Thursday.

She took to the floor to rebut Rep. Ted Yoho (R-Fla.) for his non-apology over his verbal assault on her earlier in the week, during which he reportedly called Ocasio-Cortez a “f---ing b---h.” (Yoho has denied using the slur. [It was overhead by a nearby reporter.]) Had Yoho made an equivalent statement concerning an African American male colleague, leadership would have been under pressure to condemn him, strip him of privileges (as was the case in handling remarks made by Rep. Steve King of Iowa) or even boot him from the House. With a woman as the victim, they were prepared to do exactly nothing.

Ocasio-Cortez elegantly skewered not only Yoho but the men who silently stand by after such displays. “This issue is not about one incident. It is cultural,” she said. “It is a culture of ... impunity, of accepting of violence and violent language against women, and an entire structure of power that supports that.” She pointed to Trump as well, recalling his comment that four congresswomen of color (including herself) — each of them U.S. citizens — should “go back” to where they came from. She added: "Having a daughter does not make a man decent. Having a wife does not make a decent man. Treating people with dignity and respect makes a decent man. And when a decent man messes up, as we all are bound to do, he tries his best and does apologize.”

Instead, today’s Republican Party rewards displays of insensitivity, disrespect, meanness and bigotry as a sign one will not be contained by “elites” or “political correctness.” It tolerates support for the Confederate flag and white nationalism. It ignores protesters screaming in the faces of health-care workers to protest one’s right to go mask-less, thereby endangering others. The culture of bullying and the disdain for others is not an incidental part of the GOP; it is central to its identity.

A party that disdains government should not run for office. A party that celebrates rudeness, incivility, meanness and bigotry should be shunned. Rehabilitation for the GOP? It’s impossible to imagine, given its cast of characters.


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… sort of stating the obvious.
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Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:39 pm You should vote for the party that loots
Trump is doing the very best looting.
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CU77 wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:50 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:39 pm You should vote for the party that loots
Trump is doing the very best looting.
Agreed, and long over due. Need to stop the people from stealing from their gov and go earn your own.
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The Mnuchin Follies
With his help, Pelosi keeps outmaneuvering Republican senators on coronavirus bills.

By Kimberley A. Strassel
July 23, 2020 7:07 pm ET

The concerted Republican effort to fritter away both policy and principle in these pandemic times continued apace this week—indeed, it leapt forward. Who needs Nancy Pelosi demanding more spending, more unemployment benefits and more union payoffs when Steven Mnuchin and Mitch McConnell will do it for her?

Five months after the coronavirus’s arrival, Washington has settled into a predictable loop. Speaker Pelosi’s House unveils sweeping virus legislation with vast dollar figures and progressive policy demands. Republicans argue among themselves. Treasury Secretary Mnuchin crashes in to “negotiate” the GOP back to their own 5-yard line. Senate Majority Leader McConnell reminds his caucus it is an election year and provides Mrs. Pelosi her touchdown. America goes another trillion dollars, or two, into debt.

The only difference this week was the speed with which the drive unfolded. By May, Congress had authorized some $3 trillion in virus relief, and Mr. McConnell had mercifully called a “pause.” Yet Mrs. Pelosi responded with another $3 trillion package, and Mr. Mnuchin last week sucker punched GOP senators by signaling White House openness to provisions they had already foresworn. The Senate GOP spending brigade seized on the bill as a chance to throw more cash in an election year. The party’s opening bid is $1 trillion, and that’s before Mr. Mnuchin and Mrs. Pelosi get to truly huddling.

Some spending might be justified in aid of economic growth. But as the White House and appropriators now view this as a vote-buying exercise, the proposals focus on handouts and income transfers that would, if anything, prolong closures. That includes renewal of the federal “enhanced” employment insurance that is paying Americans more to stay at home than go to work. The GOP says it will reduce the amount from the current $600 a week, but any federal bonus (atop regular state unemployment benefits) makes it harder for businesses to rehire.

Republicans intend to spend more than $70 billion on K-12 schools, including ones that refuse to reopen to educate children. One slim silver lining in the virus mess has been the spotlight it has put on the nation’s failing schools, and the importance of choice, charters, vouchers and private and home education. Yet here is the GOP Senate—in its infinite brilliance—sending billions to teachers unions that oppose all this, and that will divert these funds to elect Democrats.

Republicans are looking at $20 billion in direct payments to farmers and another $15 billion for child care. They gave up on a payroll tax cut, and started coalescing around another round of nonstimulus checks to select households. They are bragging that their bill doesn’t include more money to states (a key Pelosi demand) even as they brag about the restrictions they will put on such money when Mr. Mnuchin gives it to Mrs. Pelosi anyway.

But what about the $25 billion more the Senate would give to testing, or the $26 billion for vaccine research and distribution? Surely we need that, right? Previous legislation allocated $25 billion for testing. Some $13 billion hasn’t been used. A full $10 billion was set aside for states, localities and tribes; they’ve so far spent less than $100 million. Much of the new money for vaccines would go to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, still sitting on $5 billion of virus cash. And the administration already has funding for Operation Warp Speed, which covers the cost of vaccine distribution.

The mystery is who in the White House keeps deputizing Mr. Mnuchin as lead congressional envoy, given Mrs. Pelosi’s flawless record at schooling him in the art of the deal. The Treasury secretary remains relentlessly focused on what House Democrats want, rather than on what the economy or the Trump White House needs. His malleability eggs on the big spenders. His fickleness has additionally discouraged the Senate GOP from drawing lines in this debate, for fear of being undercut by Mr. Mnuchin—and inevitably Donald Trump. What’s the point of warning Mrs. Pelosi that it will never renew enhanced unemployment benefits when Mr. Mnuchin has already invited her to begin the bidding?

Republicans overall fear political fallout if they don’t act, but they put themselves in this situation. They might have spent the past two months talking about the money that has already been allocated, the huge sums that still sit in reserve, and the need to correct the mistakes of prior, hasty bills. But that would require familiarizing themselves with figures, then delivering a consistent message. Which is apparently asking a great deal.

So the default is to proceed on the precarious notion that the way to hold the White House and Senate this fall is to join Democrats in a spendathon. In fact, conservative voters are increasingly unhappy about the lasting damage Washington’s aid bills are doing to both the balance sheet and the underpinnings of the private economy. Republicans more than anything need a fired-up base this fall. Another $2 trillion blowout—one that will do little to help the economy—is hardly the way to move them to the ballot box.

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:36 am So the default is to proceed on the precarious notion that the way to hold the White House and Senate this fall is to join Democrats in a spendathon. In fact, conservative voters are increasingly unhappy about the lasting damage Washington’s aid bills are doing to both the balance sheet and the underpinnings of the private economy
There it is. The Mass Delusion of the Republican party.

This writer "forgot" that her party already blew $3.7 Trillion.....every penny of it borrowed.....BEFORE Covid.

That was different. That was ok. That was fine.

Add. Subtract. Divide. This writer and her party can't do it anymore. Small wonder Trump likes this woman so much.....enabling his nonsense economic policies.
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a fan wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:29 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:36 am So the default is to proceed on the precarious notion that the way to hold the White House and Senate this fall is to join Democrats in a spendathon. In fact, conservative voters are increasingly unhappy about the lasting damage Washington’s aid bills are doing to both the balance sheet and the underpinnings of the private economy
There it is. The Mass Delusion of the Republican party.

This writer "forgot" that her party already blew $3.7 Trillion.....every penny of it borrowed.....BEFORE Covid.

That was different. That was ok. That was fine.

Add. Subtract. Divide. This writer and her party can't do it anymore. Small wonder Trump likes this woman so much.....enabling his nonsense economic policies.


I think you missed the entire point of her article, which is: she is against the spending.
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a fan wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:29 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:36 am So the default is to proceed on the precarious notion that the way to hold the White House and Senate this ko fall is to join Democrats in a spendathon. In fact, conservative voters are increasingly unhappy about the lasting damage Washington’s aid bills are doing to both the balance sheet and the underpinnings of the private economy
There it is. The Mass Delusion of the Republican party.

This writer "forgot" that her party already blew $3.7 Trillion.....every penny of it borrowed.....BEFORE Covid.

That was different. That was ok. That was fine.

Add. Subtract. Divide. This writer and her party can't do it anymore. Small wonder Trump likes this woman so much.....enabling his nonsense economic policies.
It’s Kim Strassel. Ironically this is where I actually agree w PB.
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Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:39 pm You should vote for the party that loots riots and embraces mayhem. Same party which hates American success.

In other words, antifa marxists that disdain America. The non charitable party which doesn’t create jobs.


The party which hates America and doesn't create jobs? The Repukeblicans, of course.


By contrast, the patriotic Democrats create FAR more jobs at all times:


https://www.google.com/search?q=democra ... e&ie=UTF-8


Dems = patriots.
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Where were Strassel's columns criticizing about the unfunded tax cuts and increased deficits and increased spending the past 3 years, especially when R's controlled the House, Senate and WH? I can't find much. Republicans still effectively run congress and the White House even without House control.

We predicted that spending and deficits are going to suddenly be an issue R's care about if Biden is elected. This is exactly that - priming the pump.

We need to reign in this deficit spending, and yesterday. Only complaining about it when the other people are in charge is doing nothing to help.
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Peter Brown wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:38 am
a fan wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:29 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:36 am So the default is to proceed on the precarious notion that the way to hold the White House and Senate this fall is to join Democrats in a spendathon. In fact, conservative voters are increasingly unhappy about the lasting damage Washington’s aid bills are doing to both the balance sheet and the underpinnings of the private economy
There it is. The Mass Delusion of the Republican party.

This writer "forgot" that her party already blew $3.7 Trillion.....every penny of it borrowed.....BEFORE Covid.

That was different. That was ok. That was fine.

Add. Subtract. Divide. This writer and her party can't do it anymore. Small wonder Trump likes this woman so much.....enabling his nonsense economic policies.
I think you missed the entire point of her article, which is: she is against the spending.
:lol: Oh no....I digested every word. You missed the point.

I had a look. She didn't write one single word about the four massive pre-Covid spending packages totaling nearly $4 Trillion, every penny of the spending was borrowed.

And neither did you.

And now that America is on the ropes, and actually needs this stimulus? This idiot pretends that spending is bad, and she "forgot" to complain about all that TrumpSpending

And you were for all that spending too, Pete. How many times did you brag about the economy, and how well the market was doing?

You "forgot" to complain about WHY the market was flourishing.

You, this lady, McConnell, Trump, and Pelosi all think the economic damage is done.

Nope. Did you notice, for example, that Schlumberger just laid off 21,000 people. How many flyover States are dependent on energy, Pete?

Did you notice the trade wars are still in effect, and no one is bothering to negotiate an end to them?
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Agree with this as well I guess my only comment would be that it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to close the barn door now. We can believe in change as well in people. The knee jerk reaction of "well she did or didn't do this or that previously" doesn't resonate much with me, that's living in the past.


To me all these subsidies including tax deductibility of health care for companies, ag payments, FDIC "insurance", mortgage tax deduction (favors home ownership over renting implicitly and explicitly) and all sorts of other codified exceptions in tax code to go away. We want to stabilize or support something or someone do it transparently with straight cash payments and own it honestly, don't sell some dream or whatever gets people elected. Thought some portions of the Bush tax cuts made sense, but clear the reduction in cap gains was a mistake and the amnesty of repatriated cash had perverted effects. They just need to create parity and then sit on their hands.

Pretty sure I've been consistent on this for quite a while. Someone from either side invariably claims I'm a monster or don't care or "what about this or that group". I have a mortgage, I'd take a hit if we removed tax deductibility and also Fan/Freddie support but I find the pitch that supports this stuff bogus and just risk transference.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:21 pm Agree with this as well I guess my only comment would be that it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to close the barn door now. We can believe in change as well in people. The knee jerk reaction of "well she did or didn't do this or that previously" doesn't resonate much with me, that's living in the past.
No, it's evaluating this writers view, and recognizing that her view isn't based on fundamental economics...it's based on little R's and little D's.

This renders her views useless. Things like the time value of money and compound interest don't care about D's and R's. Stassel does.
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:21 pm To me all these subsidies including tax deductibility of health care for companies, ag payments, FDIC "insurance", mortgage tax deduction (favors home ownership over renting implicitly and explicitly) and all sorts of other codified exceptions in tax code to go away. We want to stabilize or support something or someone do it transparently with straight cash payments and own it honestly, don't sell some dream or whatever gets people elected.
Agreed. Most of the posters here do. But there is a massive downside to pulling this .gov support....
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:21 pm Pretty sure I've been consistent on this for quite a while. Someone from either side invariably claims I'm a monster or don't care or "what about this or that group". I have a mortgage, I'd take a hit if we removed tax deductibility and also Fan/Freddie support but I find the pitch that supports this stuff bogus and just risk transference.
The value of your home would plummet. That's why they never cut it off after the 08 crash. Someone showed Bush a chart that showed what would happen if he ended .gov home originations. It was surely a horrifying chart.

And if the value of your home plummets, there goes the single, solitary way that the vast majority of Americans get ahead, and accumulate disposable income. Which means that would pull all the purchasing power from Americans. Wages are all but flat. Our GDP is built on consumption, and consumption depends on disposable income, and disposable income is almost entirely tied to home prices increasing every year.

Yank that tool out the toolbox? You can forget GDP growth, imho.

That said, I believe you are 100% sincere in your belief. You clearly don't care about D's and R's, and that's all I'm reacting to with this WSJ piece.

I have NO PROBLEM with anyone having economic beliefs. Where I get annoyed is when you see that these beliefs are anchored in sand....and the sand is political party affiliation and/or selfishness.
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I have a decent sense of markets including housing markets. I also believe that the more we attempt to insulate all people from any damage the bigger the future problems are. There has to be some distress and some folks who lose. That's also why I believe in basic safety nets, broad retraining (why I hoped Yang would get more traction, his approach to reality of the economy and businesses was better than most). Short term fixes are just that, almost like a little lie leading to a complex web of lies that come crashing down. Long term planning and decision making sometimes comes with short term costs.

I think you vastly overstate, perhaps for effect, the consequences of home finance support. The marginal difference in home values between private credit, who on a macro basis is in great demand when secured by US real estate to this day, and Fannie/Freddie/HUD is at best 200bps. That means a 5% - 5.5% mortgage rate and maybe less 0-5% down (with 2nds attached) and more 10-20% down payments which would create far more stability in the long run. Where I strongly disagree is when you use incredibly extreme language in projection market responses, I see where the markets are every day. Yes there would be short term pain and an adjustment, but it's also an investment in strengthening the entire platform of our economy in the future.

By the way, Americans can no longer "get ahead" from owning a primary residence. The increased, subsidized leverage over the past three decades has taken the juice out of that. Institutional money always looks to get that retail money. Add on top an entire single family rental industry that was created as a response to the actions taken by the government which is directly responsible for the lack of supply to this day of affordable housing (depending on area, for Denver lets call it $200k - $300k, maybe a little lower there) and then on top of it Fannie is now warehouse financing these owners keeping more people renting and where rental homes have been raised to replicate the full cost of homeownership which was never the case. These SFR shops were created with private capital (Colony, Blackstone, etc.) and implicit & explicit support from the government then when they need a liquidity event but can't liquidate the homes they bought cheap out of the crisis with cash they had and emboldened by the government support because that would create value pressure on their NAV and they'd have their own promotes clawedback they dump it onto retail investors through REIT structures which are tax advantaged by the IRS because they pass through 90% of income and as such not taxed at the corporate level and retail investors are starved for anything with yield because of a decade of zero rate policy. Now retail, who can't afford homes in large part, are in these hotel california investments which will ultimately bleed book value over time just to get 5-8% dividends.

It's just a fact today that for a millenial or whatever the next crowd is that homeownership is not a path to individual wealth creation anymore. That's a direct result of all this support and subsidization.

I posted the piece to make the point that republicans, the people I had bought into growing up like Jack Kemp, haven't held up their end in fiscal responsibility in a while. Clearly no one read it that way.
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a fan wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:16 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:38 am
a fan wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:29 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:36 am So the default is to proceed on the precarious notion that the way to hold the White House and Senate this fall is to join Democrats in a spendathon. In fact, conservative voters are increasingly unhappy about the lasting damage Washington’s aid bills are doing to both the balance sheet and the underpinnings of the private economy
There it is. The Mass Delusion of the Republican party.

This writer "forgot" that her party already blew $3.7 Trillion.....every penny of it borrowed.....BEFORE Covid.

That was different. That was ok. That was fine.

Add. Subtract. Divide. This writer and her party can't do it anymore. Small wonder Trump likes this woman so much.....enabling his nonsense economic policies.
I think you missed the entire point of her article, which is: she is against the spending.
:lol: Oh no....I digested every word. You missed the point.

I had a look. She didn't write one single word about the four massive pre-Covid spending packages totaling nearly $4 Trillion, every penny of the spending was borrowed.

And neither did you.

And now that America is on the ropes, and actually needs this stimulus? This idiot pretends that spending is bad, and she "forgot" to complain about all that TrumpSpending

And you were for all that spending too, Pete. How many times did you brag about the economy, and how well the market was doing?

You "forgot" to complain about WHY the market was flourishing.

You, this lady, McConnell, Trump, and Pelosi all think the economic damage is done.

Nope. Did you notice, for example, that Schlumberger just laid off 21,000 people. How many flyover States are dependent on energy, Pete?

Did you notice the trade wars are still in effect, and no one is bothering to negotiate an end to them?


Like I say, there's no doubt you're quite difficult to be married to...I want Mrs a fan to weigh in and clear the air.

Strassel is not a 'spend more please' columnist. Never has been either. Admit defeat.

Also you ask me too many follow-up questions when all the board asks is for you to apologize for being wrong.

Carry on.
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So, here is the criminal indictment of the GOP Speaker of the Ohio House:

https://www.scribd.com/document/4699307 ... from_embed

Paragraphs 13 through 18 are probably enough. This was big time corruption, in which First Energy paid $60,000,000 plus through secret financial transactions to the most powerful state lawmaker in the Ohio House to get him to pass a law that takes $1,000,000,000 from Ohio families & gives it to the utility while eliminating its renewable/efficiency targets.

So Trump posts pictures of kids whose parents fitted "F*ck Trump" signs on them. True, that's tasteless and not the parenting I had in mind. But the GOP goes big......
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Peter Brown wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:54 pm Strassel is not a 'spend more please' columnist. Never has been either. Admit defeat.
Really? So show me her four strenuous objections to the four pre-Covid Bills. BEFORE they passed, btw.

Do that, and I'm happy to say I'm wrong.

You have cheered every spending bill, and every tax cut, and have bragged about our propped up economy at every turn.

All while hypocritically telling us you hate Big Government.

Admit defeat? :lol: Because a fake-conservative TrumpToady wants to pretend to care about government spending as a new election approaches? :lol:
Peter Brown
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Re: Conservative Ideology

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a fan wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:41 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:54 pm Strassel is not a 'spend more please' columnist. Never has been either. Admit defeat.
Really? So show me her four strenuous objections to the four pre-Covid Bills. BEFORE they passed, btw.

Do that, and I'm happy to say I'm wrong.

You have cheered every spending bill, and every tax cut, and have bragged about our propped up economy at every turn.

All while hypocritically telling us you hate Big Government.

Admit defeat? :lol: Because a fake-conservative TrumpToady wants to pretend to care about government spending as a new election approaches? :lol:


I'm taking your post as a roundabout apology! :lol:

Anyhoo, I don't care...too many good things happening these days. In a great mood!

You'd be surprised to hear that I actually think a Biden election (presuming he does not choose a lunatic as his running mate...no sure thing) wouldn't crush our economy and might help stem the far left lurch of the Democratic Party. But, let's see whom he chooses as his running mate first. At this stage, it's either Susan Rice or we are all effed, like royally effed. I know you keep saying the Fanlax Dems aren't lunatics like what we see on television every day, but I am having trouble seeing that as they cheer for the destruction of cities and buildings and the American flag. Hope I'm wrong!
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