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Election Reform

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What needs to be done?

Voter I.D. - how does it get implemented?

A review of '20 election - what worked, what didn't.....a bi-partisan group is required.

Do we really want one system or stay with 50+ methods?
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Re: Election Reform

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1. Early in person voting.

2. No excuse mail in voting, with the option for states to go all mail in if they want to.

3. Widely available drop boxes located in highly visible locations near government buildings with 24/7 video surveillance. Because the best/easiest way to do "mail-in" voting is for the ballots to go out by mail but come back primarily via drop box.

4. Cut off the balloting at poll close on election day (rather than waiting several days for the mail to come in). But to be fair, to implement this rule you need to do #3. If you don't do #3, then you have to extend ballot delivery until after election day.

5. Clarify and publicize common sense rules around "ballot harvesting." FYI, these rules mostly already exist and are already enforced. Here in Colorado, the rule is that you can drop off a max of 10 ballots for friends, neighbors, family members, etc. A lower limit (say 4 or 5) would be fine too.

6. Start processing and counting mail-in ballots well in advance of election day.

7. Track ballot mail, return, process and count via email, text and online.

8. Automatic motor voter registration. The identity requirements for getting a driver license that meets Real ID standards are about as high as they get. So it is effortlessly easy to meet any/all concerns about voter ID by relying on the existing driver license infrastructure.

9. Reboot the Voting Rights Act pre-clearance procedures. So that pre-textual suppressive voting "integrity and security" measures can't be implemented without passing some level of good faith reasonableness. Come on -- only one single drop box for all of Harris County, TX (4.75 million population). Do this and you don't need a national standard (which is fine/good).

Thing is, there's really nothing to study. All of this is already known/established/existing best practices. Just has to be implemented.
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Re: Election Reform

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ggait wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:56 pm 1. Early in person voting.

2. No excuse mail in voting, with the option for states to go all mail in if they want to.

3. Widely available drop boxes located in highly visible locations near government buildings with 24/7 video surveillance. Because the best/easiest way to do "mail-in" voting is for the ballots to go out by mail but come back primarily via drop box.

4. Cut off the balloting at poll close on election day (rather than waiting several days for the mail to come in). But to be fair, to implement this rule you need to do #3. If you don't do #3, then you have to extend ballot delivery until after election day.

5. Start processing and counting mail-in ballots well in advance of election day.

6. Automatic motor voter registration. The identity requirements for getting a driver license that meets Real ID standards are about as high as they get. So it is effortlessly easy to meet any/all concerns about voter ID by relying on the existing driver license infrastructure.

7. Reboot the Voting Rights Act pre-clearance procedures. So that pre-textual suppressive voting "integrity and security" measures can't be implemented without passing some level of good faith reasonableness. Come on -- only one single drop box for all of Harris County, TX (4.75 million population). Do this and you don't need a national standard (which is fine/good).

Thing is, there's really nothing to study. All of this is already known/established/existing best practices. Just has to be implemented.
Not only won't Republicans sign up for any of the above.....


....nothing we do. NOTHING. Will stop claims of election fraud from Republican voters, so long as Republican lose elections. The entire conversation is pointless, because you can't fix what isn't broken.

The REAL question is: how do you get these Americans to take the tinfoil hats off?

My answer? FoxNation and the Republican party have to turn their backs on this nonsense. And we all know that that won't happen.
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Re: Election Reform

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ggait wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:56 pm 1. Early in person voting.

2. No excuse mail in voting, with the option for states to go all mail in if they want to.

3. Widely available drop boxes located in highly visible locations near government buildings with 24/7 video surveillance. Because the best/easiest way to do "mail-in" voting is for the ballots to go out by mail but come back primarily via drop box.

4. Cut off the balloting at poll close on election day (rather than waiting several days for the mail to come in). But to be fair, to implement this rule you need to do #3. If you don't do #3, then you have to extend ballot delivery until after election day.

5. Clarify and publicize common sense rules around "ballot harvesting." FYI, these rules mostly already exist and are already enforced. Here in Colorado, the rule is that you can drop off a max of 10 ballots for friends, neighbors, family members, etc. A lower limit (say 4 or 5) would be fine too.

6. Start processing and counting mail-in ballots well in advance of election day.

7. Track ballot mail, return, process and count via email, text and online.

8. Automatic motor voter registration. The identity requirements for getting a driver license that meets Real ID standards are about as high as they get. So it is effortlessly easy to meet any/all concerns about voter ID by relying on the existing driver license infrastructure.

9. Reboot the Voting Rights Act pre-clearance procedures. So that pre-textual suppressive voting "integrity and security" measures can't be implemented without passing some level of good faith reasonableness. Come on -- only one single drop box for all of Harris County, TX (4.75 million population). Do this and you don't need a national standard (which is fine/good).

Thing is, there's really nothing to study. All of this is already known/established/existing best practices. Just has to be implemented.
Agreed on all 9 points.

How about for those who don't drive etc?

States stay on their own or are the part Feds part of it....National ID? BioMetric?
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Re: Election Reform

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a fan wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:07 pm
ggait wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:56 pm 1. Early in person voting.

2. No excuse mail in voting, with the option for states to go all mail in if they want to.

3. Widely available drop boxes located in highly visible locations near government buildings with 24/7 video surveillance. Because the best/easiest way to do "mail-in" voting is for the ballots to go out by mail but come back primarily via drop box.

4. Cut off the balloting at poll close on election day (rather than waiting several days for the mail to come in). But to be fair, to implement this rule you need to do #3. If you don't do #3, then you have to extend ballot delivery until after election day.

5. Start processing and counting mail-in ballots well in advance of election day.

6. Automatic motor voter registration. The identity requirements for getting a driver license that meets Real ID standards are about as high as they get. So it is effortlessly easy to meet any/all concerns about voter ID by relying on the existing driver license infrastructure.

7. Reboot the Voting Rights Act pre-clearance procedures. So that pre-textual suppressive voting "integrity and security" measures can't be implemented without passing some level of good faith reasonableness. Come on -- only one single drop box for all of Harris County, TX (4.75 million population). Do this and you don't need a national standard (which is fine/good).

Thing is, there's really nothing to study. All of this is already known/established/existing best practices. Just has to be implemented.
Not only won't Republicans sign up for any of the above.....


....nothing we do. NOTHING. Will stop claims of election fraud from Republican voters, so long as Republican lose elections. The entire conversation is pointless, because you can't fix what isn't broken.

The REAL question is: how do you get these Americans to take the tinfoil hats off?

My answer? FoxNation and the Republican party have to turn their backs on this nonsense. And we all know that that won't happen.
Exactly...what can be done so that my buddy from College Park, who was a NeverTrumper, believes the election system has integrity?
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Re: Election Reform

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Well, at least the Voting Rights Act revival will get a vote in the House and also the Senate (even with the 60 vote filibuster in place). And you could maybe see 10 GOP Senate votes for the VRA. People forget, but the last renewal of the VRA (2006) passed the Senate 98-0.

The problem is that the painfully naive 2013 version of CJ Roberts figured that (with such large bi-partisan support for the VRA historically) Congress would just revise it in the normal course in accordance with his Shelby County guidance. I'm sure the 2021 version of Roberts really wishes he had a do-over on that decision.

The GOP suppression problem was kept in check pretty well by the VRA, and Roberts allowed that to be blown up. With people recently being killed inside the Capital over election Big Lies, it might be possible to get this fixed to some extent by Congress.
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Re: Election Reform

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foreverlax wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:19 pm Agreed on all 9 points.

How about for those who don't drive etc?

States stay on their own or are the part Feds part of it....National ID? BioMetric?
REAL ID is a federal standard, and you can go to the DMV and get a compliant identification card that's not a driver's license.

We should also allow same-day voter registration at polling places as well.
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Re: Election Reform

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a fan wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:07 pm
ggait wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:56 pm 1. Early in person voting.

2. No excuse mail in voting, with the option for states to go all mail in if they want to.

3. Widely available drop boxes located in highly visible locations near government buildings with 24/7 video surveillance. Because the best/easiest way to do "mail-in" voting is for the ballots to go out by mail but come back primarily via drop box.

4. Cut off the balloting at poll close on election day (rather than waiting several days for the mail to come in). But to be fair, to implement this rule you need to do #3. If you don't do #3, then you have to extend ballot delivery until after election day.

5. Start processing and counting mail-in ballots well in advance of election day.

6. Automatic motor voter registration. The identity requirements for getting a driver license that meets Real ID standards are about as high as they get. So it is effortlessly easy to meet any/all concerns about voter ID by relying on the existing driver license infrastructure.

7. Reboot the Voting Rights Act pre-clearance procedures. So that pre-textual suppressive voting "integrity and security" measures can't be implemented without passing some level of good faith reasonableness. Come on -- only one single drop box for all of Harris County, TX (4.75 million population). Do this and you don't need a national standard (which is fine/good).

Thing is, there's really nothing to study. All of this is already known/established/existing best practices. Just has to be implemented.
Not only won't Republicans sign up for any of the above.....


....nothing we do. NOTHING. Will stop claims of election fraud from Republican voters, so long as Republican lose elections. The entire conversation is pointless, because you can't fix what isn't broken.

The REAL question is: how do you get these Americans to take the tinfoil hats off?

My answer? FoxNation and the Republican party have to turn their backs on this nonsense. And we all know that that won't happen.
This may surprise you, but as a republican. I agree with all of the points. Except #2. But I'm for a registered, certified absentee-style. Not a blanket "mail-in."
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Re: Election Reform

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ggait wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:56 pm 1. Early in person voting.

2. No excuse mail in voting, with the option for states to go all mail in if they want to.

3. Widely available drop boxes located in highly visible locations near government buildings with 24/7 video surveillance. Because the best/easiest way to do "mail-in" voting is for the ballots to go out by mail but come back primarily via drop box.

4. Cut off the balloting at poll close on election day (rather than waiting several days for the mail to come in). But to be fair, to implement this rule you need to do #3. If you don't do #3, then you have to extend ballot delivery until after election day.

5. Clarify and publicize common sense rules around "ballot harvesting." FYI, these rules mostly already exist and are already enforced. Here in Colorado, the rule is that you can drop off a max of 10 ballots for friends, neighbors, family members, etc. A lower limit (say 4 or 5) would be fine too.

6. Start processing and counting mail-in ballots well in advance of election day.

7. Track ballot mail, return, process and count via email, text and online.

8. Automatic motor voter registration. The identity requirements for getting a driver license that meets Real ID standards are about as high as they get. So it is effortlessly easy to meet any/all concerns about voter ID by relying on the existing driver license infrastructure.

9. Reboot the Voting Rights Act pre-clearance procedures. So that pre-textual suppressive voting "integrity and security" measures can't be implemented without passing some level of good faith reasonableness. Come on -- only one single drop box for all of Harris County, TX (4.75 million population). Do this and you don't need a national standard (which is fine/good).

Thing is, there's really nothing to study. All of this is already known/established/existing best practices. Just has to be implemented.
Yep. +1. Anything in the nature of "election reform" has to be aimed at making it easier for any American who wants to vote, to vote.
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All voter rolls need to be scrubbed against the USPS change of address data base before ballots are mailed out & again before they are counted.
This should be a standard automated process.

What address did Tom Friedman use to register when he voted in the GA runoff ?

How do you ensure that college students & transient workers, who may have legit addresses in 2 states or jurisdictions, vote in only 1 state or jurisdiction ?
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old salt wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:22 pm All voter rolls need to be scrubbed against the USPS change of address data base before ballots are mailed out & again before they are counted.
This should be a standard automated process.

What address did Tom Friedman use to register when he voted in the GA runoff ?

How do you ensure that college students & transient workers, who may have legit addresses in 2 states or jurisdictions, vote in only 1 state or jurisdiction ?
Tom Friedman did not vote in the GA runoff. He lives in Maryland.

You must be watching too much Faux News or Newsmax and OANN.
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old salt wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:22 pm All voter rolls need to be scrubbed against the USPS change of address data base before ballots are mailed out & again before they are counted.
This should be a standard automated process.

What address did Tom Friedman use to register when he voted in the GA runoff ?

How do you ensure that college students & transient workers, who may have legit addresses in 2 states or jurisdictions, vote in only 1 state or jurisdiction ?
😢 How is that comeback going?
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:08 pm
ggait wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:56 pm 1. Early in person voting.

2. No excuse mail in voting, with the option for states to go all mail in if they want to.

3. Widely available drop boxes located in highly visible locations near government buildings with 24/7 video surveillance. Because the best/easiest way to do "mail-in" voting is for the ballots to go out by mail but come back primarily via drop box.

4. Cut off the balloting at poll close on election day (rather than waiting several days for the mail to come in). But to be fair, to implement this rule you need to do #3. If you don't do #3, then you have to extend ballot delivery until after election day.

5. Clarify and publicize common sense rules around "ballot harvesting." FYI, these rules mostly already exist and are already enforced. Here in Colorado, the rule is that you can drop off a max of 10 ballots for friends, neighbors, family members, etc. A lower limit (say 4 or 5) would be fine too.

6. Start processing and counting mail-in ballots well in advance of election day.

7. Track ballot mail, return, process and count via email, text and online.

8. Automatic motor voter registration. The identity requirements for getting a driver license that meets Real ID standards are about as high as they get. So it is effortlessly easy to meet any/all concerns about voter ID by relying on the existing driver license infrastructure.

9. Reboot the Voting Rights Act pre-clearance procedures. So that pre-textual suppressive voting "integrity and security" measures can't be implemented without passing some level of good faith reasonableness. Come on -- only one single drop box for all of Harris County, TX (4.75 million population). Do this and you don't need a national standard (which is fine/good).

Thing is, there's really nothing to study. All of this is already known/established/existing best practices. Just has to be implemented.
Yep. +1. Anything in the nature of "election reform" has to be aimed at making it easier for any American who wants to vote, to vote.
Agreed,

The standard of simplicity is not more, it is less. This is why I have always argued that a vote simply follows your Fed/State ID. And if you are a shut-in, military, in transition, out of the county, you simply request a mail in ballot. You can register the day of if you want by presenting your Fed/State ID. Each states database would then perform a simple 'checksum' against each individual to verify no more than 1 vote per name/address/Fed/State ID Number.
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old salt wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:22 pm All voter rolls need to be scrubbed against the USPS change of address data base before ballots are mailed out & again before they are counted.
This should be a standard automated process.
Oh please. The USPS has often screwed up my change of address, and not once have they gotten my stop-delivery order right in the past few decades. Making voting rights dependent on the accuracy of their database is ridiculous.
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CU77 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:40 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:22 pm All voter rolls need to be scrubbed against the USPS change of address data base before ballots are mailed out & again before they are counted.
This should be a standard automated process.
Oh please. The USPS has often screwed up my change of address, and not once have they gotten my stop-delivery order right in the past few decades. Making voting rights dependent on the accuracy of their database is ridiculous.
And yet they were trusted with millions of ballots. Hell, two of my bills I mailed in December have still not arrived. Baztids.
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kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:03 pm This may surprise you, but as a republican. I agree with all of the points. Except #2. But I'm for a registered, certified absentee-style. Not a blanket "mail-in."
I'm sorry-----I wasn't specific enough. I meant: RepublicanPoliticans.
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Kismet wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:28 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:22 pm All voter rolls need to be scrubbed against the USPS change of address data base before ballots are mailed out & again before they are counted.
This should be a standard automated process.

What address did Tom Friedman use to register when he voted in the GA runoff ?

How do you ensure that college students & transient workers, who may have legit addresses in 2 states or jurisdictions, vote in only 1 state or jurisdiction ?
Tom Friedman did not vote in the GA runoff. He lives in Maryland.

You must be watching too much Faux News or Newsmax and OANN.
...but, but I saw him on tv urging us to temporarily move to GA to vote in the runoff.
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youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:42 pm
CU77 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:40 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:22 pm All voter rolls need to be scrubbed against the USPS change of address data base before ballots are mailed out & again before they are counted.
This should be a standard automated process.
Oh please. The USPS has often screwed up my change of address, and not once have they gotten my stop-delivery order right in the past few decades. Making voting rights dependent on the accuracy of their database is ridiculous.
And yet they were trusted with millions of ballots. Hell, two of my bills I mailed in December have still not arrived. Baztids.
My point exactly. How many states are using the USPS database to scrub their voter rolls ? Apparently some counties in GA were.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:35 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:22 pm All voter rolls need to be scrubbed against the USPS change of address data base before ballots are mailed out & again before they are counted.
This should be a standard automated process.

What address did Tom Friedman use to register when he voted in the GA runoff ?

How do you ensure that college students & transient workers, who may have legit addresses in 2 states or jurisdictions, vote in only 1 state or jurisdiction ?
😢 How is that comeback going?
Still awaiting my appointment for mandatory deprogramming camp. Have to attend before I can be given a covid vacc.
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old salt wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:46 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:42 pm
CU77 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:40 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:22 pm All voter rolls need to be scrubbed against the USPS change of address data base before ballots are mailed out & again before they are counted.
This should be a standard automated process.
Oh please. The USPS has often screwed up my change of address, and not once have they gotten my stop-delivery order right in the past few decades. Making voting rights dependent on the accuracy of their database is ridiculous.
And yet they were trusted with millions of ballots. Hell, two of my bills I mailed in December have still not arrived. Baztids.
My point exactly. How many states are using the USPS database to scrub their voter rolls ? Apparently come counties in GA were.
None. So now you want the USPS in charge of whether or not you can cast your vote? Great. Let Biden install his toady proxie, and start messing with things.

That cool with you?
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