Deaths per million since June 1:
Spain 8.7
France 23
Italy 28.6
Sweden 105
UK 105
NY 114
FL 214
NJ 289
How come Ron, who got to go later/second, didn't learn anything?
P.S. The USA (480) recently passed France (464) in deaths per million pop. TBD if we will end up passing Sweden (568) or Italy (582). At our current rate of 1k deaths per day, we'd pass them in early September.
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Boycott stupid. If you ignore the gator troll, eventually he'll just go back under his bridge.
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I don’t think you and I disagree much at all on this. And I don’t disagree with much of what Giroir says. I agree testing isn’t the MOST important thing and that behavioral modification (social distancing, masks, no bars, etc.) is more important.ggait wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:31 pmBill -- I know you disagree, but Giroir is super clear that testing is not the primary thing right now. Seems to think the "testing testing testing" mantra is actually getting in the way of more important things.I read his comments to be focused on testing AND contact tracing, that is, doing the two together. I agree with him that once all of the horses are out of the barn, as is the case now, contact tracing is a waste of time. I don’t read his remarks, however, to say we shouldn’t be testing.
Opening statement to Congress the other day: "We cannot test our way out of this or any other pandemic."
Masks, no bars, no restaurants, no crowds. Personal responsibility. That is how Europe (doing much fewer tests than us) got its numbers down and how we need to do it. And once your infections (test demand) goes down, then your testing capacity (test supply) is more adequate.
Our supply of testing is actually higher per capita than almost any other country. Problem is our demand for tests is out of control.
Masks masks masks >>>> testing testing testing
To the extent he is downplaying testing or perhaps even suggesting testing isn’t needed, I strongly disagree with that. I’m not sure what he means by “getting in the way,” but I don’t agree with that. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can behave properly and still test.
In my view, testing can help significantly with behavioral modification. If you don’t know you have the disease, you likely will conduct yourself in one fashion. If you know you have it, you likely will be much more careful in your behavior. At least the large majority of people will. Every little bit helps.
To your equation, I would add social distancing. SD > masks > testing. But all have key roles.
Of course, and I know you agree with this, the main problem with testing is in the Oval Office. If I were president, there would be one of those five minute machines on every street corner (hyperbole for effect). Impossible? Baloney. This country was able to get its act together and win the battle of Midway in six months. And that was 80 years ago. We can’t build tests in six months?
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… you remember all the crazies that balked at wearing set belts? It was an infringement of their rights. Same as folks with motorcycle helmets. Same with COVID masks. Of course the rest of us have to pay to allow their stupidity. Maybe we should look at this a different way. Give them their way. They don't wear a mask, no admission to a hospital if you catch COVID; no motor cycle helmet, no service at a hospital if involved in an accident; same with seat belts; etc.calourie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:11 pmYour's is an apples to oranges comparison, PB. The problem with Covid, as is pointed out ad infinitum by people like Fauci is it is so transmissible (unlike the common flu as well well as auto accidents however that relates). So with the common flu we can let it run its' course each year and between 20,000-80,000 people will die in our country, hospitals are equipped to handle the level of surge, and many people either exercise their option of getting vaccinated, or don't get the disease to begin with. Were we to treat Covid as we do the flu, as you suggest we should, 100's of millions of us would contract the disease in a short period of time, and the vulnerable would flood the treatment centers to the point of overwhelming both the facilities and workers as happened in the northeast. Its' not about the kids, its' about the nature of the disease. Even with many taking precautions we are apt to lose upwards of 300,000 to Covid by the new year. Age isn't the issue, the volume is. Hopefully we don't see a surge in automotive deaths from our current 55,000/year or so to the 300,000 or so that Corona will already be contributing if we let Covid sweep through the population as you propose, or we are doomed. My last sentence is tongue in cheek in an effort to make my point understandable to you. We won't likely add 300,000 automotive deaths because people take the threat of dying in a car crash seriously fo both themselves and others, in other words they obey basic laws and act with a sufficient amount of common sense to not make that happen. Hopefully we will do that with Covid as well.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:15 pmCU77 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:54 pmTypical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:50 pm https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/03/us/flori ... index.htmlThat's unpossible. PB has assured us that covid only affects old people, especially in Florida.Two teenagers in Florida have died from Covid-19 complications, according to data posted by the Florida Department of Health. The teens were between the ages of 14 and 17, the department said.
I’m tempted to belittle you, because you likely deserve it as I don’t think your motives here are genuine. But I’ll refrain. Let me instead ask you this:
Do you know how many kids die from the flu in America every year?
How about, do you know many kids die in automobile accidents every year in the US?
Do you kvetch about the flu when it kills hundreds of kids every year? Do you demand that kids not ride in automobiles when thousands die annually? If not and based on your Covid fear porn, WHY NOT?!?!!
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Florida is always blamed.
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If all else fails, PB, whine like Trumpy, "everyone's picking on me (or Florida)."
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The whole interview of IMPOTUS Liar in Chief:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... e=emb_logo
As an American, this is just painful to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... e=emb_logo
As an American, this is just painful to watch.
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Mr moderator, deactivate my account.
You have heck this forum up to making it nothing more than a joke. I hope you are happy.
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Mr moderator, deactivate my account.
You have heck this forum up to making it nothing more than a joke. I hope you are happy.
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"They" is Hogan and our health commission.wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:33 pmwho is "they"? maryland has been averaging ~10 deaths per day. from mid april to weeks later it was high 20s and then quickly into the 50s.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:08 pmThat's not necessarily correct, though of course we don't know for sure because testing was so slow at that point. But what they're saying is that the virus is actually more prevalent, but we're doing better in the most vulnerable environments eg PPE in nursing homes etc and we're doing better in our treatment protocols, but bottomline it only takes a couple of weeks for this thing to explode rampantly if people alter their behaviors the wrong direction.wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:14 pmmaryland looks like there could be quite a bit less virus in the state now vs late march. they got hit pretty good. depends on a lot of factors but unless their fatality jumps 3 or 4 fold in the next 3+ weeks it'd point to their numbers being down.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:10 am Maryland, thank goodness, is recognizing that, though we're in better shape than many states, we nevertheless have more virus in the community than we did in March and a new crushing outbreak is but weeks away if we don't double down on the vigilance.
tough to tell what's around the coast and getting pulled for numbers out of state for all the beach states in the summer. and they are on a trajectory they'd probably like to flatten if it isn't all test availability or tracing lately.
who is they saying they've got a virus more prevalent but they've reduced deaths by 80%? looks like they've almost got this thing licked.
Our case rate is triple March, though as I said, hard to know whether that's just because there was so little testing in March. But our upward trajectory in cases looks identical to March and then April, and remember we only got the curve to flatten with a total lockdown. And we're headed back that direction is # of cases rolling average. Our positivity rate is below 10% right now, which is better than some places, but certainly not the below 3% we should be aiming for. That's because the infections are indeed climbing at a rapid rate. All you gotta do is see the behaviors this past month in Ocean City and Fells Point, etc to know why that's the case.
The deaths were low per day in March and early April, only peaked in May. So, we're looking at a good 30 days lag time in deaths per day from what's happening right now in increases in infections. That said, from what I'm hearing from local docs in the ICU's, we're indeed having substantially more success in preventing deaths...but that doesn't mean there isn't long term damage and way, way too many infections.
So, Hogan is right to raise the alarm bells loudly. The doctors are more extreme in their alarm.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/small-busi ... shutdowns/
Some times the price of victory feels alot like losing. This will only amount to a piddly million or so jobs gone forever if this happens.
Some times the price of victory feels alot like losing. This will only amount to a piddly million or so jobs gone forever if this happens.
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Yes, this is indeed what will happen unless we treat the crisis holistically.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:37 am https://www.cbsnews.com/news/small-busi ... shutdowns/
Some times the price of victory feels alot like losing. This will only amount to a piddly million or so jobs gone forever if this happens.
1) defeat the virus.
2) restore the economy.
On the latter, it's going to be hugely costly, but far better to support small businesses through the crisis than to have them go under permanently.
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deaths per day made it up to 50 as a 7 day average on april 21. so back to april 14. it didn't climb a lot higher, thankfully. and there's a lag on the actual reporting of dates of death.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:00 am"They" is Hogan and our health commission.wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:33 pmwho is "they"? maryland has been averaging ~10 deaths per day. from mid april to weeks later it was high 20s and then quickly into the 50s.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:08 pmThat's not necessarily correct, though of course we don't know for sure because testing was so slow at that point. But what they're saying is that the virus is actually more prevalent, but we're doing better in the most vulnerable environments eg PPE in nursing homes etc and we're doing better in our treatment protocols, but bottomline it only takes a couple of weeks for this thing to explode rampantly if people alter their behaviors the wrong direction.wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:14 pmmaryland looks like there could be quite a bit less virus in the state now vs late march. they got hit pretty good. depends on a lot of factors but unless their fatality jumps 3 or 4 fold in the next 3+ weeks it'd point to their numbers being down.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:10 am Maryland, thank goodness, is recognizing that, though we're in better shape than many states, we nevertheless have more virus in the community than we did in March and a new crushing outbreak is but weeks away if we don't double down on the vigilance.
tough to tell what's around the coast and getting pulled for numbers out of state for all the beach states in the summer. and they are on a trajectory they'd probably like to flatten if it isn't all test availability or tracing lately.
who is they saying they've got a virus more prevalent but they've reduced deaths by 80%? looks like they've almost got this thing licked.
Our case rate is triple March, though as I said, hard to know whether that's just because there was so little testing in March. But our upward trajectory in cases looks identical to March and then April, and remember we only got the curve to flatten with a total lockdown. And we're headed back that direction is # of cases rolling average. Our positivity rate is below 10% right now, which is better than some places, but certainly not the below 3% we should be aiming for. That's because the infections are indeed climbing at a rapid rate. All you gotta do is see the behaviors this past month in Ocean City and Fells Point, etc to know why that's the case.
The deaths were low per day in March and early April, only peaked in May. So, we're looking at a good 30 days lag time in deaths per day from what's happening right now in increases in infections. That said, from what I'm hearing from local docs in the ICU's, we're indeed having substantially more success in preventing deaths...but that doesn't mean there isn't long term damage and way, way too many infections.
So, Hogan is right to raise the alarm bells loudly. The doctors are more extreme in their alarm.
i'm not disputing that they've seen a marked uptick in cases. hopefully they get a handle on it. but it's not hard to know whether more cases are documented now vs late march bc of more tests available, that's established. maryland probably had something like 5,000 infections per day in late march. maybe quite a bit more. it may be around 2 or 3 now. maybe more. depending on how many we continue to miss.
i'd be surprised and worried if a state epidemiologist was not aware of this.
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I have read quite a few opinions from any number of medical professionals regarding this virus. This is my amateur opinion, I think the experts are still as confused about this virus as they were 5 months ago. I read one conflicting opinion after another and it does not give me much confidence that our medical professionals really understand this monster very well. Defeating the virus and restoring our economy are a very long ways off I am afraid. IMO there are too many Americans that just are not taking it seriously enough.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:45 amYes, this is indeed what will happen unless we treat the crisis holistically.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:37 am https://www.cbsnews.com/news/small-busi ... shutdowns/
Some times the price of victory feels alot like losing. This will only amount to a piddly million or so jobs gone forever if this happens.
1) defeat the virus.
2) restore the economy.
On the latter, it's going to be hugely costly, but far better to support small businesses through the crisis than to have them go under permanently.
I use to be a people person until people ruined that for me.
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Here is the guy nobody on this site voted for! Thank God...otherwise he would be running the free world.
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I won't quibble on your # as your guess is possibly correct. The point I was making is that in early March we were relatively unaware of the impending spread, that yes, had already begun. As the month went along the alarm bells began and by April 1, Hogan announced the lockdown. The trajectory was steep and the trajectory right now looks much like those early days...do we need to go into lockdown to prevent it, flatten the curve?wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:48 amdeaths per day made it up to 50 as a 7 day average on april 21. so back to april 14. it didn't climb a lot higher, thankfully. and there's a lag on the actual reporting of dates of death.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:00 am"They" is Hogan and our health commission.wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:33 pmwho is "they"? maryland has been averaging ~10 deaths per day. from mid april to weeks later it was high 20s and then quickly into the 50s.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:08 pmThat's not necessarily correct, though of course we don't know for sure because testing was so slow at that point. But what they're saying is that the virus is actually more prevalent, but we're doing better in the most vulnerable environments eg PPE in nursing homes etc and we're doing better in our treatment protocols, but bottomline it only takes a couple of weeks for this thing to explode rampantly if people alter their behaviors the wrong direction.wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:14 pmmaryland looks like there could be quite a bit less virus in the state now vs late march. they got hit pretty good. depends on a lot of factors but unless their fatality jumps 3 or 4 fold in the next 3+ weeks it'd point to their numbers being down.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:10 am Maryland, thank goodness, is recognizing that, though we're in better shape than many states, we nevertheless have more virus in the community than we did in March and a new crushing outbreak is but weeks away if we don't double down on the vigilance.
tough to tell what's around the coast and getting pulled for numbers out of state for all the beach states in the summer. and they are on a trajectory they'd probably like to flatten if it isn't all test availability or tracing lately.
who is they saying they've got a virus more prevalent but they've reduced deaths by 80%? looks like they've almost got this thing licked.
Our case rate is triple March, though as I said, hard to know whether that's just because there was so little testing in March. But our upward trajectory in cases looks identical to March and then April, and remember we only got the curve to flatten with a total lockdown. And we're headed back that direction is # of cases rolling average. Our positivity rate is below 10% right now, which is better than some places, but certainly not the below 3% we should be aiming for. That's because the infections are indeed climbing at a rapid rate. All you gotta do is see the behaviors this past month in Ocean City and Fells Point, etc to know why that's the case.
The deaths were low per day in March and early April, only peaked in May. So, we're looking at a good 30 days lag time in deaths per day from what's happening right now in increases in infections. That said, from what I'm hearing from local docs in the ICU's, we're indeed having substantially more success in preventing deaths...but that doesn't mean there isn't long term damage and way, way too many infections.
So, Hogan is right to raise the alarm bells loudly. The doctors are more extreme in their alarm.
i'm not disputing that they've seen a marked uptick in cases. hopefully they get a handle on it. but it's not hard to know whether more cases are documented now vs late march bc of more tests available, that's established. maryland probably had something like 5,000 infections per day in late march. maybe quite a bit more. it may be around 2 or 3 now. maybe more. depending on how many we continue to miss.
i'd be surprised and worried if a state epidemiologist was not aware of this.
Hope not. But we definitely need to change something directionally or else it explodes.
We can't continue the way we did in July.
Thus, the alarms and new restrictions.
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Seems like a boneheaded decision. I am hoping the Mayor doesn’t snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I like the guy positioning himself to run for Mayor for the next election. I like his chances. I don’t like this guy De Blasio. His decision making is questionable.Matnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:47 am NYC: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/nyre ... signs.html
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