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youthathletics wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:32 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:00 am Of course, there are very real issues to address, continuously with China, but the notion that we can force them to submit to our will is very misguided.


Where in the heck did this comment come from?
Not specific to your comments, youth.

I'm referring more generally to the discussion that's been going back forth on here, as well as obviously in other venues, on policy to China.

Some folks seem to think that we can actually force China to acquiesce in a number of ways we'd prefer.
That's misguided, very.

That post immediately followed my prior post, an extension of those thoughts.
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youthathletics wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:30 am It makes you wonder why is this administration really fighting with China right now....maybe the data shows that they (China) are cut and bleeding like a boxer (as the article you posted points out)...so let's expose them and keep punching.
They're at 6%Gdp growth. If that's cut and bleeding, what does that say about our 1.6%...and falling?

40% of revenue for American farmers came from Uncle Sam in the last four quarters.

You're hearing what you want to hear. And a sawbuck says you can't list five material things that Trump is doing to "plan for the next decade" of Trade.


You say keep the partisanship out of this, but any time I give you actual, real information, you get upset with me.

Trump blew $40 Billion on farmers handouts in a little over a year. Do you have any idea what that would do for American small and medium sized businesses if he used that cash to get American goods and services overseas?

You keep projecting what you THINK Trump is doing, and treating it as truth. Trump isn't doing what you think he's doing. If he ACTUALLY had a ten year plan designed to get American businesses new buyers and supply chains???? Do you have any idea how hard I would be cheering right now??

And where is our badly needed infrastructure bill? If Trump had signed the Apollo Program of infrastructure bills? Do you have any idea how hard I'd be cheering right now? This isn't partisan. I'm simply pointing out, he's not doing what you're claiming, and I can point to the facts to prove it.

Instead of a 10 year plan, we get nothing. Nothing to help us get away from China, and our infrastructure continues to slide into third rate status. We should be taking our GDP advantage, and cramming it down China's throat. I'd be behind that 1000%.

Want another example of missed opportunity? Trump could spend that $40 Billion on burying California power lines, so they are no longer a fire threat. THAT is a solid use for our tax dollars. Instead? Tax cut for the 1%ers.
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I never get upset with you, b/c I know you will fight back with the same talking points each time. It almost always ends up with you saying we are wrong, followed by a bet, and a then question or two calling us out about what Trump is doing, then we reply......rinse and repeat. That is why I enjoy the back and forth....you challange us and I love to think and research.

I believe you put far too much faith into our gov't and b/c you love to point out how socialist we already are, I secretly think you are waiting for the socialism to hit side of the street.

I can tell you with certainty that infrastructure construction is in full swing in the DMV. There is rarely a road or bridge that is not being repaired around the DMV. Renovation to Chesapeake Bay Bridge 9 2 year plan, new Harry Nice Bridge, bridge repairs over Suitland Parkway and 495, new interchanges at 295 and South Capitol Street DC, major renovations at Reagan Airport, 895 Tunnel renovation in Baltimore.

the first 3 things that come to mind.
1. USMCA Trade Deal - close to approval via Pelosi
2. Encouraging business via loosening regulations to stay, move back, or startup to the states.
3. Negotiations with China to level the playing field.

Listen, I get that your heels are dug in on damned near anything the Trump admin does but we are coming from two completely different angles. What I have learned on this forum is that each and every one of us, has and still complains, about how crappy politicians are and what very little they do to help 'us' out. Along those lines, we also are so very to slow to act, on damned near everything....we seem far too afraid to change "becuase its the way we always did it"....I get it. And in the end, if Trumps way proves to be futile and a dead end street....then we can say we tried it that way. But to constantly moan and do nothing is the definition of insanity. The guy is trying, not alone I might add, and sadly, we'd rather focus on anything negative.

This article identifies where I am coming from, it also has where you are coming from. The difference....I am okay giving it a try.
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Let's assume for a moment that our strategic objective is the prosperity of citizens of the United States over the long haul, rather than the more global objective of the prosperity of all mankind. Not that these necessarily have to be in conflict as it ain't actually a zero sum world, but let's just accept the notion that we're focused on US interests in particular.

Let's also assume that as long as we have nation states in which there are both positive and negative foreign actors impacting US long term prosperity, we indeed live in a 'competitive' world.

For those who are positive actors in this world, 'allies', we want to encourage their continued participation as such. For those who are 'negative', we want to minimize their impact and to encourage them to become more positive.

Always recognizing the potential for very deleterious impacts to occur because of what happens beyond our shores, from outright war to pollution to...ultimately impacts us here.

So, if we think about this 'competition' through a strategic lens, we look at the various realities of ourselves and our 'allies', and those of our 'competitors'; our strengths and weakness, and theirs.

We look to leverage and build upon our relative strengths, and we look to address our relative weaknesses.

So, what are our relative strengths and weaknesses when compared to China?

I'd suggest a few strengths:

1) Big head start on economic development, massive GDP.
2) Innovation economy, IP protection leads to individual incentive to create, innovation culture well established.
3) Political freedoms that support individual expression, and thus innovation culture.
4) Immigrant culture of aspiration, attracting talent and energy.
5) Natural allies in modern democracies, well developed economic partners.

A few of China's strengths:

1) Huge human capital scale and thus potential, multiples of 'smart' people relative to US.
2) System built with long-term perspective and rapid decision to execution due to centralized power.
3) Culture of community over individual, willingness to sacrifice for community.
4) Brand new, state of the art infrastructure and other long-term oriented commitments.
5) Very high business process innovation; make it cheaper, faster

Some of our weaknesses:

1) Short term perspective, both political and business decisions rewarded based on short term outcomes.
2) Outdated infrastructure; Decision to execution on major changes in infrastructure, human capital, etc tend to be very slow, with political factors, voices to be heard, etc.
3) Political 'openness', eg freedoms of speech, provide vulnerabilities to be exploited by malign actors.
4) Diversity, while also a strength, can lead to 'us' vs "them" conflicts, reducing commitments to community.

Some of China's weaknesses:

1) Much less developed market based signals for economy, much lower per capita GDP, standard of living.
2) Low creativity in basic research due to low IP protection
3) Risks of citizens demanding more 'voice' if standards of living don't rise quickly enough to match world developed standards.
4) Few 'natural allies', external relationships primarily transactional.

Thoughts? Additions? Edits?

What are the implications?
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youthathletics wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:23 pm I believe you put far too much faith into our gov't
This coming from a guy claiming our Federal Government Leader is fixing trade with China? Which one of us is the government optimist here? ;)
youthathletics wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:30 am and b/c you love to point out how socialist we already are, I secretly think you are waiting for the socialism to hit side of the street.
Did you mean "hit your side of the street"? If so----yes. I'm sick of competing with companies that get cash, tax breaks, and other incentives that my company doesn't get. You would be sick of it, too, if you were in my shoes. So guys like Pete Brown gets the bulk of his operating expenses directly subsidized by the government....while not only do I not get that, i get taxed EXTRA to pay for what Pete Brown gets.

If you believe in free markets, or in the basic concept of fairness, you'd be just as angry as I am about this rigged game I have to play.
youthathletics wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:30 am I can tell you with certainty that infrastructure construction is in full swing in the DMV. There is rarely a road or bridge that is not being repaired around the DMV. Renovation to Chesapeake Bay Bridge 9 2 year plan, new Harry Nice Bridge, bridge repairs over Suitland Parkway and 495, new interchanges at 295 and South Capitol Street DC, major renovations at Reagan Airport, 895 Tunnel renovation in Baltimore.
Yes. And where is all that money coming from? It's coming from a Federal government in Wash DC that's larger than ever. Other parts of our country would be delighted to have this money coming in.

BTW, what I'm talking about is an across the board, Apollo Program level infrastructure plan. Rebuild our electrical grid. Dams, roads, internet, nuclear, all of it. THAT would stick it to China.
youthathletics wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:30 am the first 3 things that come to mind.
1. USMCA Trade Deal - close to approval via Pelosi
2. Encouraging business via loosening regulations to stay, move back, or startup to the states.
3. Negotiations with China to level the playing field.
USMCA is a nothing burger as it relates to China.

The loosening of regulations----20 years in, and posters can't name a regulation that had a material change to their business sector that was removed.

The one major change? Trump changed the tax law that allowed instant, rather than delayed, tax deduction of equipment purchases. That helped.

My brother and I were just laughing about this yesterday, as he was filling out more paperwork for a GOP State that we do business in..... that if Republicans actually deregulated? We'd be the most Republican voters in the history of voting. State and local regulations and fees increase every year, regardless of State. Why? Money. It sticks it to small businesses, so that people and corporations can enjoy their low taxes.

Negotiations with China?----both Bush and Obama did that, too.
youthathletics wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:30 am Listen, I get that your heels are dug in on damned near anything
Buffalo bagels. I'm the one of the only posters here who DOESN'T do that. For example, I was 100% behind his withdrawal from Syria, and the only Trump hater who did so.

I'm more than willing to give Trump credit for doing something right.
youthathletics wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:30 am But to constantly moan and do nothing is the definition of insanity. The guy is trying, not alone I might add
Obama tried. So did Bush. So did Clinton. All tried to get China to fall in line. Do you give them credit, too? No. You don't. What you say is "Obama just let China do as they wanted...at least Trump is trying". You don't get to do this.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:25 pm Let's assume for a moment that our strategic objective is the prosperity of citizens of the United States over the long haul, rather than the more global objective of the prosperity of all mankind. Not that these necessarily have to be in conflict as it ain't actually a zero sum world, but let's just accept the notion that we're focused on US interests in particular.

Let's also assume that as long as we have nation states in which there are both positive and negative foreign actors impacting US long term prosperity, we indeed live in a 'competitive' world.

For those who are positive actors in this world, 'allies', we want to encourage their continued participation as such. For those who are 'negative', we want to minimize their impact and to encourage them to become more positive.

Always recognizing the potential for very deleterious impacts to occur because of what happens beyond our shores, from outright war to pollution to...ultimately impacts us here.

So, if we think about this 'competition' through a strategic lens, we look at the various realities of ourselves and our 'allies', and those of our 'competitors'; our strengths and weakness, and theirs.

We look to leverage and build upon our relative strengths, and we look to address our relative weaknesses.

So, what are our relative strengths and weaknesses when compared to China?

I'd suggest a few strengths:

1) Big head start on economic development, massive GDP.
2) Innovation economy, IP protection leads to individual incentive to create, innovation culture well established.
3) Political freedoms that support individual expression, and thus innovation culture.
4) Immigrant culture of aspiration, attracting talent and energy.
5) Natural allies in modern democracies, well developed economic partners.

A few of China's strengths:

1) Huge human capital scale and thus potential, multiples of 'smart' people relative to US.
2) System built with long-term perspective and rapid decision to execution due to centralized power.
3) Culture of community over individual, willingness to sacrifice for community.
4) Brand new, state of the art infrastructure and other long-term oriented commitments.
5) Very high business process innovation; make it cheaper, faster

Some of our weaknesses:

1) Short term perspective, both political and business decisions rewarded based on short term outcomes.
2) Outdated infrastructure; Decision to execution on major changes in infrastructure, human capital, etc tend to be very slow, with political factors, voices to be heard, etc.
3) Political 'openness', eg freedoms of speech, provide vulnerabilities to be exploited by malign actors.
4) Diversity, while also a strength, can lead to 'us' vs "them" conflicts, reducing commitments to community.

Some of China's weaknesses:

1) Much less developed market based signals for economy, much lower per capita GDP, standard of living.
2) Low creativity in basic research due to low IP protection
3) Risks of citizens demanding more 'voice' if standards of living don't rise quickly enough to match world developed standards.
4) Few 'natural allies', external relationships primarily transactional.

Thoughts? Additions? Edits?

What are the implications?
One of your best posts MD...avoided partisanship, did not pick a side, and used vision.

Thoughts? Yes.....and generally speaking,

When you break down the strengths and weaknesses you posted on China individually and critically evaluate each one....they are somewhat propped up, non-authentic, non-transformational people; as you noted they are primarily transnactional as a country. From a business standpoint, and peeking into the future, China represents what I believe the futuristic AI/Automation robotic world looks like.....yuck. Their people in manufacturing are darned near treated as disposable like a robot and operate mostly out of fear.

Conversely, when you look globally, and this is up for argument, I believe the U.S. is viewed like we are the New England Patriots. You know we have our dump together, you know we can whoop your a$s, and you hate us b/c you ain't us. Sure that analogy is simplistic in form, but just look what they are going thru in Hong Kong.....they hate and fear what they may become b/c of whom......China that's who (my blood/boxing analogy earlier).

There must be an emotional, empathetic, and transformational element to our vision....it does not always revolve around money.

Appreciate you all listening.
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:33 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:25 pm Let's assume for a moment that our strategic objective is the prosperity of citizens of the United States over the long haul, rather than the more global objective of the prosperity of all mankind. Not that these necessarily have to be in conflict as it ain't actually a zero sum world, but let's just accept the notion that we're focused on US interests in particular.

Let's also assume that as long as we have nation states in which there are both positive and negative foreign actors impacting US long term prosperity, we indeed live in a 'competitive' world.

For those who are positive actors in this world, 'allies', we want to encourage their continued participation as such. For those who are 'negative', we want to minimize their impact and to encourage them to become more positive.

Always recognizing the potential for very deleterious impacts to occur because of what happens beyond our shores, from outright war to pollution to...ultimately impacts us here.

So, if we think about this 'competition' through a strategic lens, we look at the various realities of ourselves and our 'allies', and those of our 'competitors'; our strengths and weakness, and theirs.

We look to leverage and build upon our relative strengths, and we look to address our relative weaknesses.

So, what are our relative strengths and weaknesses when compared to China?

I'd suggest a few strengths:

1) Big head start on economic development, massive GDP.
2) Innovation economy, IP protection leads to individual incentive to create, innovation culture well established.
3) Political freedoms that support individual expression, and thus innovation culture.
4) Immigrant culture of aspiration, attracting talent and energy.
5) Natural allies in modern democracies, well developed economic partners.

A few of China's strengths:

1) Huge human capital scale and thus potential, multiples of 'smart' people relative to US.
2) System built with long-term perspective and rapid decision to execution due to centralized power.
3) Culture of community over individual, willingness to sacrifice for community.
4) Brand new, state of the art infrastructure and other long-term oriented commitments.
5) Very high business process innovation; make it cheaper, faster

Some of our weaknesses:

1) Short term perspective, both political and business decisions rewarded based on short term outcomes.
2) Outdated infrastructure; Decision to execution on major changes in infrastructure, human capital, etc tend to be very slow, with political factors, voices to be heard, etc.
3) Political 'openness', eg freedoms of speech, provide vulnerabilities to be exploited by malign actors.
4) Diversity, while also a strength, can lead to 'us' vs "them" conflicts, reducing commitments to community.

Some of China's weaknesses:

1) Much less developed market based signals for economy, much lower per capita GDP, standard of living.
2) Low creativity in basic research due to low IP protection
3) Risks of citizens demanding more 'voice' if standards of living don't rise quickly enough to match world developed standards.
4) Few 'natural allies', external relationships primarily transactional.

Thoughts? Additions? Edits?

What are the implications?
One of your best posts MD...avoided partisanship, did not pick a side, and used vision.

Thoughts? Yes.....and generally speaking,

When you break down the strengths and weaknesses you posted on China individually and critically evaluate each one....they are somewhat propped up, non-authentic, non-transformational people; as you noted they are primarily transnactional as a country. From a business standpoint, and peeking into the future, China represents what I believe the futuristic AI/Automation robotic world looks like.....yuck. Their people in manufacturing are darned near treated as disposable like a robot and operate mostly out of fear.

Conversely, when you look globally, and this is up for argument, I believe the U.S. is viewed like we are the New England Patriots. You know we have our dump together, you know we can whoop your a$s, and you hate us b/c you ain't us. Sure that analogy is simplistic in form, but just look what they are going thru in Hong Kong.....they hate and fear what they may become b/c of whom......China that's who (my blood/boxing analogy earlier).

There must be an emotional, empathetic, and transformational element to our vision....it does not always revolve around money.

Appreciate you all listening.
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There's indeed a tendency to exaggerate aspects of the differences, TLD.
From afar.

I think youth fell a bit into that trap with "they are somewhat propped up, non-authentic, non-transformational people"

The culture is actually very, very hard working, and increasingly aspirational and entrepreneurial. There's more of a focus on family and community as the motivating factors than perhaps the US' 'self-actualization of the individual', but this, too, has its positives.

I don't see them as "propped up" or "non-authentic", nor "non-transformational".

That said, their system has counter balances to their strengths, just as we have our own weaknesses, largely emanating from our strengths. I sure know which system I prefer, but that doesn't mean that the Chinese emphasis on the social value of community over individual doesn't tap into a deep human need to be in relationship with others.

I do see the transactional nature of China's relationships with other nations as a weakness, and at least our former posture of shared values as a real strength for the US. Not so much in the current regime.

Sorry, youth, that may sound 'partisan' but it's only that I agree with your statement: "There must be an emotional, empathetic, and transformational element to our vision....it does not always revolve around money. "
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TLD - my comments were not about the Chinese people in general, it was about their gov’t view towards their people....being classified as the factory of the world.

I know Chinese people quite well. I am currently working on a multi year project in their embassy here in DC and have helped a few of them with learning English.

MDLAX - I was posting from the perspective of the gov’t towards their people....not the common Chinese man/woman.

I actually envy their work ethic, their values of family....I simply believe that because they are the factory of the world, their view towards all those laborers is solely transactional....and if those laborers had a choice they certainly would be advocates of change for the better.

This explains some of where my views are coming from: https://www.google.com/amp/s/relevantma ... china/amp/
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:49 pm TLD - my comments were not about the Chinese people in general, it was about their gov’t view towards their people....being classified as the factory of the world.

I know Chinese people quite well. I am currently working on a multi year project in their embassy here in DC and have helped a few of them with learning English.

MDLAX - I was posting from the perspective of the gov’t towards their people....not the common Chinese man/woman.

I actually envy their work ethic, their values of family....I simply believe that because they are the factory of the world, their view towards all those laborers is solely transactional....and if those laborers had a choice they certainly would be advocates of change for the better.

This explains some of where my views are coming from: https://www.google.com/amp/s/relevantma ... china/amp/
“They are non-authentic, non-transformational people”. I must have misread what you wrote.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:14 pm [quote=youthathletics post_id=87780 time=<a href="tel:1572810556">1572810556</a> user_id=283]
TLD - my comments were not about the Chinese people in general, it was about their gov’t view towards their people....being classified as the factory of the world.

I know Chinese people quite well. I am currently working on a multi year project in their embassy here in DC and have helped a few of them with learning English.

MDLAX - I was posting from the perspective of the gov’t towards their people....not the common Chinese man/woman.

I actually envy their work ethic, their values of family....I simply believe that because they are the factory of the world, their view towards all those laborers is solely transactional....and if those laborers had a choice they certainly would be advocates of change for the better.

This explains some of where my views are coming from: https://www.google.com/amp/s/relevantma ... china/amp/
“They are non-authentic, non-transformational people”. I must have misread what you wrote.
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I clarified it in the first sentence in the quote above, but even that was still not good enough, you still needed that last word. Sorry, I just do not assume people that have been posting on here for years are racist or find hate towards others. I’d assume you’d know that about me by now.
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:37 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:14 pm [quote=youthathletics post_id=87780 time=<a href="tel:1572810556">1572810556</a> user_id=283]
TLD - my comments were not about the Chinese people in general, it was about their gov’t view towards their people....being classified as the factory of the world.

I know Chinese people quite well. I am currently working on a multi year project in their embassy here in DC and have helped a few of them with learning English.

MDLAX - I was posting from the perspective of the gov’t towards their people....not the common Chinese man/woman.

I actually envy their work ethic, their values of family....I simply believe that because they are the factory of the world, their view towards all those laborers is solely transactional....and if those laborers had a choice they certainly would be advocates of change for the better.

This explains some of where my views are coming from: https://www.google.com/amp/s/relevantma ... china/amp/
“They are non-authentic, non-transformational people”. I must have misread what you wrote.
I clarified it in the first sentence in the quote above, but even that was still not good enough, you still needed that last word. Sorry, I just do not assume people that have been posting on here for years are racist or find hate towards others. I’d assume you’d know that about me by now.
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youth, no worries.
I agree that the government, the system, is transactional.
The system also doesn't value individuals and human rights pretty much at all.
On the other hand, the system takes a long view, invests for the long term, and is quite interested in making sure the standard of living rises for the people at a strong clip. Which they are indeed delivering.

It's an interesting question as to how we best deliver for our folks, and for the world, the kinds of both prosperity and liberty that we hope to achieve.
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:37 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:14 pm [quote=youthathletics post_id=87780 time=<a href="tel:1572810556">1572810556</a> user_id=283]
TLD - my comments were not about the Chinese people in general, it was about their gov’t view towards their people....being classified as the factory of the world.

I know Chinese people quite well. I am currently working on a multi year project in their embassy here in DC and have helped a few of them with learning English.

MDLAX - I was posting from the perspective of the gov’t towards their people....not the common Chinese man/woman.

I actually envy their work ethic, their values of family....I simply believe that because they are the factory of the world, their view towards all those laborers is solely transactional....and if those laborers had a choice they certainly would be advocates of change for the better.

This explains some of where my views are coming from: https://www.google.com/amp/s/relevantma ... china/amp/
“They are non-authentic, non-transformational people”. I must have misread what you wrote.
I clarified it in the first sentence in the quote above, but even that was still not good enough, you still needed that last word. Sorry, I just do not assume people that have been posting on here for years are racist or find hate towards others. I’d assume you’d know that about me by now.
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Ignorance does not equal racist. I just read what you wrote. You used the word “people” not “government”. Just clarifying. That’s why I asked about your personal experience....I was responding to your quote above. Maybe you should have phrased the reply differently...perhaps “I meant to type the government”....something like that....I get it but I responded to your written comments. No biggie
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Fair enough, thanks.
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:38 pm Fair enough, thanks.
No big deal. Written word can lose context. Getting ready to watch TB12 put a spanking on the Ravens.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:45 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:38 pm Fair enough, thanks.
No big deal. Written word can lose context. Getting ready to watch TB12 put a spanking on the Ravens.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:16 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:45 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:38 pm Fair enough, thanks.
No big deal. Written word can lose context. Getting ready to watch TB12 put a spanking on the Ravens.
Ravens man handled the Patriots last night. Good win and a good team. I have been a Lamar Jackson fan since his freshman year. I thought he was a steal last year. Good for the Ravens. He is an underrated passer but his running is off the charts.
Here in Baltimore we're having fun watching these guys.

As this is still a lax oriented thread, I liken it a bit to what I said about watching UVA when the new regime installed the new system. I told UVA fans who were concerned that letting guys make so many mistakes would lose games...maybe, but it's going to be ton of fun to watch. Enjoy the ride...
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:45 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:38 pm Fair enough, thanks.
No big deal. Written word can lose context. Getting ready to watch TB12 put a spanking on the Ravens.

Fake news. :lol: :lol:
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jhu72 wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:01 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:45 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:38 pm Fair enough, thanks.
No big deal. Written word can lose context. Getting ready to watch TB12 put a spanking on the Ravens.

Fake news. :lol: :lol:
Someone didn't do their job!!! :lol: :lol:
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