old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:57 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:08 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:38 pm
CU77 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:47 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:10 pm
CU77 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:02 pm
The only possible conclusion is that Capitol security has been woefully inadequate since 1776.
How that continued two decades past 9/11/01 is utterly beyond me, but it seems indisputable.
Nobody tried it before with a mob large enough to overpower the Capitol Police.
Nobody tried it before????
Holy f***, what kind of excuse is THAT?
Mobs storming buildings is NOT a new phenomenon.
At least on 9/11, there was the excuse that nobody had ever flown hijacked civilian planes into buildings before (even though the possibility had certainly been considered).
But a mob storming a building? You don't have a plan to stop that?
That should be stoppable, 24/7/365.
Like 9-11. It's not an excuse, it's an explanation.
They had a plan. They didn't execute it.
They were expecting a " First Amendment event". They got a riot.
Well, how stupid does one need to be to expect a "First Amendment event" when those coming told everyone something quite different?
Nope, I don't buy it...even an enormous case of white privilege doesn't make these people
that stupid.
This looks like a willful disregard of the risks, an invitation even.
Breaching the fence was WAY, WAY too easy. My brother-in-law said that he didn't even see the barriers as he went through (having gone to the bathroom and long line, so at tail end); he thought it was a 'joyous celebration' where he was on the steps, expected one of Trump supporting legislators etc to come out to speak to the crowd....
However, those "inviting" these nut jobs onto the grounds, illegally, probably didn't figure on the mob tearing up the inside, breaking windows etc. The armed nut jobs who 'took' the capitol building in Michigan didn't go fully berserk, didn't have the enormous mob behind them and hadn't been whipped into a frenzy minutes before...and I understand some a-holes like Alex Jones were there with bullhorns urging them forward...and the "righteousness of their cause", the stakes involved, way less than what these nutjobs had just been told by POTUS...after weeks and weeks of this whipping up of anger.
So you're convinced it was some Trumpian conspiracy from within, rather thant bureaucratic incompetence or lax Congressional oversight.
Stay tuned. There are plenty of rattled Congress members eager to validate your Trumpian conspiracy.
I can't tell yet whether the 'bureaucratic incompetence' was the chief factor or the purposeful disregard of the known risk, a welcoming of the attack, but I tend to think both were in play. There's too much here for it to be merely incompetence. Proving that will be a challenge, but not impossible. Indeed, many of these people are quite stupid in their 'righteous anger', so there may be a bright trail. The FBI is on it.
It's quite clear already that the planning for this scale of protest event didn't occur as usual and/or that various people involved positioned the 'protest' as just another '1st Amendment event' rather than what those on social media were clearly saying they intended...and it's not like such wasn't obvious even to those of us not in law enforcement, including what the target would be.
When the Proud Boys, Boogaloo Bois, QAnon, etc are all saying to bring weapons, that they intend to overturn the election for what they say are righteous reasons, and some of their members are saying they intend to kill cops and congressional people...they mean it.
Note, they intend to it again, harder next time. Take it seriously.
But nah, you'll just continue to fly air cover for these insurrectionists.