"The Deep State" aka the American Intelligence Community

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CU88 wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:53 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:30 am
njbill:
I'm not really offended by the statement. Clapper wanted Flynn out of government, which as events have proved, was a pretty good idea.
Are you offended by the "kill shot" taken -- the felonious leak of a top secret transcript of a NSA intercept, in order to get Flynn out of government ?

Flynn did not contest the FARA accusations for the same reason -- he did not have the resources to defend himself & he was promised a lenient sentencing recommendation on the single charge in return for co-operating. He was not charged with a FARA violation -- only threatened,

Have you noticed the sudden surge in FARA charges, & the abysmal conviction rate (Greg Craig & Flynn's partner). Were not most potential FARA violations resolved by a retroactive filing, which Flynn's lawyers had already committed to do upon his reentering govt service ?
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... obe-215764
https://www.natlawreview.com/article/em ... osecutions
Despite the seriousness of FARA’s penalties, it has long been an afterthought because of federal prosecutors’ hesitancy in bringing FARA prosecutions. DOJ brought only seven criminal FARA cases between 1966 and 2015 (securing FARA convictions in just three cases) and had not employed FARA’s civil injunctive relief since 1991.
...& then there was Sally Yates favorite -- the Logan Act
Are you telling us that Flynn should NOT have PLEAD GUILTY?

Is a self administered shot to the "career" (aka suicide) a Kill Shot?
Flynn should never have been charged (imho). The FBI needed something to squeeze him with, to get him to cooperate, which he did so forthrightly that the prosecutors recommended no jail time for him. All the outrageous media speculation & innuendo about the espionage & criminal activity he was supposedly involved in, fizzled out.
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Flynn can talk all he likes. Nothing is stopping him.

As for your grand conspiracy to "get rid of Flynn", we're at year three.

All anyone smart enough to conspire to get rid of Flynn would do is----simply wait.

Trump is laughably on NSA Advisor #6 in just three years.
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a fan wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:40 pm Flynn can talk all he likes. Nothing is stopping him.

As for your grand conspiracy to "get rid of Flynn", we're at year three.

All anyone smart enough to conspire to get rid of Flynn would do is----simply wait.

Trump is laughably on NSA Advisor #6 in just three years.
Flynn can't talk until he's sentenced.You know that.
The longer he delays sentencing, the more Deep State dirt emerges, the better for him.

Flynn was in sync with Trump. Tough guy to replace.
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The odds that Flynn would still be employed here in late 2019 are zero.
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a fan wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:01 pm The odds that Flynn would still be employed here in late 2019 are zero.
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John McEntee — a personal aide to the president but was fired from and escorted out of the White House because of issues with his security clearance by then Chief of Staff, John Kelly (another OS hero). Reports now are that he will be returning soon. No word on how he managed to clean up the issues with his security clearance - but that is a problem many Trumpy aides have. After he was canned, he was immediately hired by the campaign.

The revolving door continues. Flynn returning would not be out of the realm of possibility. Ask Mike Pence. :lol:

Quack. Quack.
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old salt wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:42 pm
a fan wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:40 pm Flynn can talk all he likes. Nothing is stopping him.

As for your grand conspiracy to "get rid of Flynn", we're at year three.

All anyone smart enough to conspire to get rid of Flynn would do is----simply wait.

Trump is laughably on NSA Advisor #6 in just three years.
Flynn can't talk until he's sentenced.You know that.
The longer he delays sentencing, the more Deep State dirt emerges, the better for him.

Flynn was in sync with Trump. Tough guy to replace.
:lol: :roll:
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old salt wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:40 pm
CU88 wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:53 pm
old salt wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:30 am
njbill:
I'm not really offended by the statement. Clapper wanted Flynn out of government, which as events have proved, was a pretty good idea.
Are you offended by the "kill shot" taken -- the felonious leak of a top secret transcript of a NSA intercept, in order to get Flynn out of government ?

Flynn did not contest the FARA accusations for the same reason -- he did not have the resources to defend himself & he was promised a lenient sentencing recommendation on the single charge in return for co-operating. He was not charged with a FARA violation -- only threatened,

Have you noticed the sudden surge in FARA charges, & the abysmal conviction rate (Greg Craig & Flynn's partner). Were not most potential FARA violations resolved by a retroactive filing, which Flynn's lawyers had already committed to do upon his reentering govt service ?
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... obe-215764
https://www.natlawreview.com/article/em ... osecutions
Despite the seriousness of FARA’s penalties, it has long been an afterthought because of federal prosecutors’ hesitancy in bringing FARA prosecutions. DOJ brought only seven criminal FARA cases between 1966 and 2015 (securing FARA convictions in just three cases) and had not employed FARA’s civil injunctive relief since 1991.
...& then there was Sally Yates favorite -- the Logan Act
Are you telling us that Flynn should NOT have PLEAD GUILTY?

Is a self administered shot to the "career" (aka suicide) a Kill Shot?
Flynn should never have been charged (imho). The FBI needed something to squeeze him with, to get him to cooperate, which he did so forthrightly that the prosecutors recommended no jail time for him. All the outrageous media speculation & innuendo about the espionage & criminal activity he was supposedly involved in, fizzled out.
He was "squeezed" because he lied. About secretly talking to the Russians...
But shouldn't have been charged... :roll:
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:01 amHe was "squeezed" because he lied. About secretly talking to the Russians...
But shouldn't have been charged... :roll:
In the Salt Swamp, the thinking seems to be "you shouldn't have even ASKED him about contacts with Russia (thereby causing him to lie) because it's none of your business and perfectly legit since Flynn was "aligned with the President's Policies".

"Trump" and "Policy"...there's some oxymoronic terminology :lol: :lol:

..more like Trump "Interests"...aka Trump Crime Family plots and machinations.

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Flynn's timing just sucked. Rudy Colludy was a guest on Russian State TV this weekend talking about all of the new Biden dirt he found in the Ukraine and how the Ukrainians interfered in the 2016 election.

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Up is down. White is RED. Wrong is right. Fiction is truth.

Note the ad for Rudy's "documentary" channel on the Rooskie Lady's laptop. :lol: :lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Awesome. So now we're out in the open as being Putin's useful idiots? FoxNation is now blaming Ukraine for election shenanigans, and giving Russia a pass.

Too bad Reagan doesn't get to see this. Good thing we fought a Cold War, right?

You couldn't make this stuff up.
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a fan wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:23 pm :lol: :lol: :lol: Awesome. So now we're out in the open as being Putin's useful idiots? FoxNation is now blaming Ukraine for election shenanigans, and giving Russia a pass.

Too bad Reagan doesn't get to see this. Good thing we fought a Cold War, right?

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a fan wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:23 pmYou couldn't make this stuff up.
Au contraire, mon ami...they make it up EVERY. STINKIN. DAY.

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Flynn sentencing delayed again, until Jan 28, 2020.

...wonder if he'll withdraw his plea.
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old salt wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:12 pm Flynn sentencing delayed again, until Jan 28, 2020.

...wonder if he'll withdraw his plea.
You omitted one little detail: the judge also denied his lawyer's motion seeking new evidence, which would seem to effectively reject the prosecutorial misconduct argument.
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a fan wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:40 pm Trump is laughably on NSA Advisor #6 in just three years.
Trump's National Security Advisor is like the Spinal Tap drummer.
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old salt wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:12 pm Flynn sentencing delayed again, until Jan 28, 2020.

...wonder if he'll withdraw his plea.
wishful thinking - The judge even rebuked his new legal team for plagiarizing in a court filing.

https://www.axios.com/michael-flynn-sen ... 440c2.html

"A federal judge has set President Trump's first national security adviser Michael Flynn's sentencing for Jan. 28, dismissing allegations by his defense attorneys that he was entrapped by prosecutors into accepting a plea deal.

The big picture: Flynn, who pleaded guilty in December 2017 to lying to FBI agents about his interactions with the Russian ambassador, was the first Trump associate to face charges in the Mueller investigation but among the last to be sentenced. The judge rejected a motion by Flynn's lawyers to hold prosecutors in contempt for failing to turn over evidence that they claimed would lead to the dismissal of his charges, rebuking his lawyers in one instance for plagiarizing in a court filing."

from the judge's ruling -

Judge: "And it is undisputed that Mr. Flynn not only made those false statements to the FBI agents, but he also made the same false statements
to the Vice President and senior White House officials, who, in turn, repeated Mr. Flynn’s false statements to the American people."
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njbill wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:25 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:12 pm Flynn sentencing delayed again, until Jan 28, 2020.

...wonder if he'll withdraw his plea.
You omitted one little detail: the judge also denied his lawyer's motion seeking new evidence, which would seem to effectively reject the prosecutorial misconduct argument.
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njbill wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:25 pm
old salt wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:12 pm Flynn sentencing delayed again, until Jan 28, 2020.

...wonder if he'll withdraw his plea.
You omitted one little detail: the judge also denied his lawyer's motion seeking new evidence, which would seem to effectively reject the prosecutorial misconduct argument.
Yep. In his full statement, Judge Sullivan flatly rejected the prosecutorial misconduct argument & scolded Flynn's lawyers.

Unless Flynn is allowed to withdraw his plea & go to trial. I won't be surprised if Judge Sullivan sentences him to the full 6 mos,
given what Sullivan said when he recommended the initial delay. Flynn's testimony didn't help the govt in the case against his business parther, which fell apart.

After Flynn's new defense team went to war with the Prosecutors, will they retract their initial favorable sentencing recommendation of no jail time. Going to trial in DC, before Judge Sullivan, would not seem to be a good option. If Papadop was a hero in his 2 weeks in a Fed Pen, Flynn will be Cool Hand Luke, if Trump doesn't pardon him first.

I wonder if Flynn's new defense team is being funded by Trump supporters who would like to use a trial to make the case for Deep State spying & malfeasance, if they could present before a jury everything the IG & Durham dredge up, going back to Halper spying on Flynn in 2014.
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or, while we're at the "wondering", why not Vlad?
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