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https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... rams/56252

Looks like the answer is up to each school which mostly applies to BU, Lehigh and Loyola grad schools this year for seniors. Interesting that transfers count against the 12.6 cap. Will make it tough this year but coaches may keep scholarship space for transfers in the future three classes.
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No way to know but curious how BU chopped up its capacity this year, have to assume Gray paid less to attend BU than I’ve paid to become a member at bar/clubs in Utah. They graduated one or two other studs from last year so would it be shocking if they didn’t even fully fill the 12.6 this year? Or does it get spent like a budget allocation you know you can’t roll over.

Thinking they might’ve had a little capacity going in and could be in shopping mode. I’d hate to see him go but Eric Holden at Hobart who’s in the portal (and should’ve been an AA HM anyway this year) is from Sudbury and was whatever ESPNs Mr Boston as a junior. BU already got Jack Wilson from us so really we’re owed somebody but still you could see that fit.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:12 pm Thinking they might’ve had a little capacity going in and could be in shopping mode.
From Terry Foy on Twitter - Brass tacks here: Army & Navy obviously can’t have grad students, most other members don’t have grad offerings that would allow spring athletes to return. I’m told Loyola, Boston U & Lehigh will aim to accommodate their spring athletes looking for another year. https://twitter.com/TerenceFoy/status/1 ... 9478907904

I still don't think that grad transfers are an option for BU, Loyola, Lehigh per PL rules, but the guys on who were on those teams in 2020 will have the opportunity to play five years for those schools.
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Ah wasn’t aware there was a PL prohibition in grad transfers.

To my prior comment it’s not like kids have to come “home” for that either but big city, known area, good school to just fill a grad degree to get that last year of a sport so had me wondering with Gray leaving if they had capacity to throw a 1/3 or half at a kid like that.
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Yeah, if grad transfers were allowed BU would've done quite well attracting fifth year guys over the next few seasons for the reasons you mentioned.
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Loyola had a good track record of getting grad transfers before joining the PL too. They got a few from the Ivy and ACC of my memory serves me.
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While there are no grad transfers allowed, there doesn't seem to be an eight semester rule like the Ivies. If the ACC/Big Ten gets really log jammed with talent, I wonder if the Patriot League could get guys who leave those program early to essentially reclass and transfer.

Theoretical example: let's say a kid was a top 100 recruit and a freshman at Maryland this year. With the 5th year guys who return and freshmen that arrive, his path to playing time looks much longer and cloudier after fall ball. Could he enter the portal next spring, and then transfer to Bucknell in the fall of 2021 and use three years there to finish undergraduate work and play? I don't see why not, and it seems like there will be a lot of highly recruited guys caught in a numbers game at top 10 schools. PL could be a great option for those guys.
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Have Loyola and Lehigh announced the seniors that are returning yet?
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AF, Army, and Navy have....none are returning. ;)
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Laxrules10 wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:30 pm Have Loyola and Lehigh announced the seniors that are returning yet?
only thing i know about Lehigh is that Pettit is not coming back.

I've heard rumblings about loyola's seniors coming back i just don't know if they are true/and will be confirmed by the school
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PL with some guidelines for fall sports:
Student-athletes will return to campus at the same time as other students;

Patriot League competition will begin at the end of September, with the expectation that League play will be completed prior to Thanksgiving;

Non-League competition will not begin prior to Friday, Sept. 4;

Patriot League member institutions will confirm that non-League competitors are following comparable health and safety protocols in advance of any contest; and,

No Patriot League teams will fly to competitions and, with rare exceptions, regular-season competition will exclude overnight travel.
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Laxrules10 wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:30 pm Have Loyola and Lehigh announced the seniors that are returning yet?
Lehigh gets 4 players back

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/amp/four ... ssion=true
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spartanslynx wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:10 pm
Laxrules10 wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:30 pm Have Loyola and Lehigh announced the seniors that are returning yet?
Lehigh gets 4 players back

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/amp/four ... ssion=true
It will be hard for Army or Navy to win next couple of years.
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Lenwood117 wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:00 am
spartanslynx wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:10 pm
Laxrules10 wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:30 pm Have Loyola and Lehigh announced the seniors that are returning yet?
Lehigh gets 4 players back

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/amp/four ... ssion=true
It will be hard for Army or Navy to win next couple of years.
Navy allegedly has the top incoming class
this year, no ?
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10stone5 wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:04 am
Lenwood117 wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:00 am
spartanslynx wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:10 pm
Laxrules10 wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:30 pm Have Loyola and Lehigh announced the seniors that are returning yet?
Lehigh gets 4 players back

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/amp/four ... ssion=true
It will be hard for Army or Navy to win next couple of years.
Navy allegedly has the top incoming class
this year, no ?
they also got Xavier Arline to commit to them as the last 5 star recruit. Navy is in good hands for the next 3-4 years with this class
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houndace1 wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:13 pm
10stone5 wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:04 am
Lenwood117 wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:00 am
spartanslynx wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:10 pm
Laxrules10 wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:30 pm Have Loyola and Lehigh announced the seniors that are returning yet?
Lehigh gets 4 players back

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/amp/four ... ssion=true
It will be hard for Army or Navy to win next couple of years.
Navy allegedly has the top incoming class
this year, no ?
they also got Xavier Arline to commit to them as the last 5 star recruit. Navy is in good hands for the next 3-4 years with this class
Assuming he plays both sports. With the recent changes in after SA graduation WRT the 5 year commitment, the ability to join the NFL draft. I have suspicion we will not see him on lax field...at least in year 1.
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youthathletics wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:31 pm
houndace1 wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:13 pm
10stone5 wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:04 am
Lenwood117 wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:00 am
spartanslynx wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:10 pm
Laxrules10 wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:30 pm Have Loyola and Lehigh announced the seniors that are returning yet?
Lehigh gets 4 players back

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/amp/four ... ssion=true
It will be hard for Army or Navy to win next couple of years.
Navy allegedly has the top incoming class
this year, no ?
they also got Xavier Arline to commit to them as the last 5 star recruit. Navy is in good hands for the next 3-4 years with this class
Assuming he plays both sports. With the recent changes in after SA graduation WRT the 5 year commitment, the ability to join the NFL draft. I have suspicion we will not see him on lax field...at least in year 1.
Navy has 5 lids in top 50 for 2020
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From my experience in Patriot League Army and Navy will be just fine.

It seemed they always had depth and could run line after line with what seemed better than average abilities and seemingly equal ability if not more than opponents lines on field.
It appeared at time to be up to defense and goalies to make the game difference.

Heck it seemed most of those kids have done more by 8 AM than some kids on opposition will do all day.
Lenwood117 wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:00 am
spartanslynx wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:10 pm
Laxrules10 wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:30 pm Have Loyola and Lehigh announced the seniors that are returning yet?
Lehigh gets 4 players back

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/amp/four ... ssion=true
It will be hard for Army or Navy to win next couple of years.
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Lenwood117 wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:10 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:31 pm
houndace1 wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:13 pm
10stone5 wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:04 am
Lenwood117 wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:00 am
spartanslynx wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:10 pm
Laxrules10 wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:30 pm Have Loyola and Lehigh announced the seniors that are returning yet?
Lehigh gets 4 players back

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/amp/four ... ssion=true
It will be hard for Army or Navy to win next couple of years.
Navy allegedly has the top incoming class
this year, no ?
they also got Xavier Arline to commit to them as the last 5 star recruit. Navy is in good hands for the next 3-4 years with this class
Assuming he plays both sports. With the recent changes in after SA graduation WRT the 5 year commitment, the ability to join the NFL draft. I have suspicion we will not see him on lax field...at least in year 1.
Navy has 5 lids in top 50 for 2020
Not discounting that at all, quite pleased to see Navy attracting HS ranked student athletes.

I am very optimistic that Navy will be highly competitive. I have seen first hand the dynamic change in optimism, practices, player engagement, off field enthusiasm, details of teaching, and overall general concern and friendship w/the players....which was handled a bit differetnly prior.

I also recently saw a post where the Navy players picked their captains for this coming season....two very talented players. If not mistaken, neither was in the top 100 for the class of 2016, and yet, both are highly skilled and dominant in their respective positions. When I read the article announcing the selection, it noted the offensive player would have broke Navy records as a junior and has started since a freshman and the defensive player earned the team MVP award.
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