VIRGINIA LACROSSE 2020

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DMac wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:16 pm
wgdsr wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:49 pm
DMac wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:00 pm
wgdsr wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:17 am we'll agree to disagree!!
Again, yes...and respectfully.
Just find this one irresistable, Hop girls just beat GT 15-14.
Hop was 4-26 on draws. :D
Check the winning goal and assist out...wow!
https://twitter.com/HopkinsLacrosse/sta ... 52640?s=20
hop was much better at everything else (cumulative) and all those faceoffs gave gt the only chance they had to win.
Isn't that like saying draws/face offs don't really mean all that much, it's what your team can do with the ball once they get it that matters? The better team will, more often than not, win. Not so much the team who just has the best FOGO/draw specialist.
Not so sure about that "likely take an L" part either....maybe, but not likely. ;)
nope. not at all. that's your skew.
on that day, however good they are relative to hop, on that day they had absolutely no chance unless they were awesome on faceoffs. and they were. so they had a chance and came up one goal short. so faceoffs were supremely important that game.
same for loyola and syracuse. had they not dominated faceoffs, they would have lost. got them the win. good for them.
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I hear what you're saying, more possessions gives you a better chance, there's never been an argument there.
You say Cuse and Loyola would have lost had they not dominated at the X but, that's just speculation. There are too many other factors in a game to determine they would have lost with X number of fewer face off wins, everything matters. Face offs are not a whole lot more important than everything else.
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well, we then we agree on most of the above.
what i do think matters, if you ever boil stuff down to one stat, is a very wide disparity. in anything.
possessions, saves, turnovers, rides.
a) anecdotally it wears on a team.
b) it forces your opposition to not just be marginally better at something else (or multiple things), but demonstrably better. and that can be very difficult to do, depending on the opponent.

btb, i don't subscribe to the "how many times did they score off that faceoff", both because they are largely independent events and you get your 2nd possession before the opponent does, 3rd... once you get past 3rd it's less relevant but that rarely happens.
... syracuse scored 4 of their 9 goals off the faceoff possession. that's admittedly a high number from normal. and i think they scored 2 or 3 on their 2nd possession off a face.
anyway, always good discussion.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:58 pm
tech37 wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:49 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:42 am
DMac wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:45 am Syracuse beat Army because of their GK play, not their FOGO's (which was outstanding).
Cuse GK had 18 saves, Army GK had 16, both teams had 25 SOGs.
How many of Cuse's goals were scored on a face off win possession (I don't know)?

To answer your question, TLD, I don't know but it wouldn't surprise me if the outcome of the game was the same even with those numbers.
It takes more that Faceoffs to win. After watching my son’s team be disadvantaged at the spot for 4 years, it makes a difference possession after possession, game after game, week after week. It wears on a team. You can scheme round it and over come it. How about just starting every possession on defense if it makes no difference.
I thought he played a year or two with Currier?
PU was below 50% in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019...

Currier did have a knack for long the draw but winning the ensuing battle by ragging the opposing FOGO relentlessly.
Interesting...thanks. I'm sure you saw him play more than I did...was obviously a great player
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tech37 wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:31 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:58 pm
tech37 wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:49 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:42 am
DMac wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:45 am Syracuse beat Army because of their GK play, not their FOGO's (which was outstanding).
Cuse GK had 18 saves, Army GK had 16, both teams had 25 SOGs.
How many of Cuse's goals were scored on a face off win possession (I don't know)?

To answer your question, TLD, I don't know but it wouldn't surprise me if the outcome of the game was the same even with those numbers.
It takes more that Faceoffs to win. After watching my son’s team be disadvantaged at the spot for 4 years, it makes a difference possession after possession, game after game, week after week. It wears on a team. You can scheme round it and over come it. How about just starting every possession on defense if it makes no difference.
I thought he played a year or two with Currier?
PU was below 50% in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019...

Currier did have a knack for long the draw but winning the ensuing battle by ragging the opposing FOGO relentlessly.
Interesting...thanks. I'm sure you saw him play more than I did...was obviously a great player
Zach Currier was one of the most complete lacrosse players I have ever seen. He gave Princeton a chance facing off by being relentless after the draw. The best I have ever seen at ground balls. However, facing off also took a toll on him. Overcoming face off deficits is definitely possible but you have to be very good in other areas to make up for it. When teams are all so close, faceoffs can tilt the balance of competition. Look at Penn State and Yale. TD kills them and PSU is still in games despite the differences. Give PSU TD and they very likely win those games going away.
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A BUCKSHOT is needed. Jerry Falwell's College FB team was led by BUCKSHOT Calvert and HP's BUCKSHOT is a "buckin" good player.

Hope Lars can find us one!
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How great is it to be able to watch full replays of lacrosse games on YouTube, and shortly after the original broadcast!

In regards to UVA's last game against Air Force:

*Is freshman Peter Garno starting at midfield a permanent move for the season? I saw former starter Jeff Conner also played against Air Force, so Garno getting the first round against Air Force does not seem like an injury-related change. I did not know before that Garno went to the same school as Dox Aitken. I imagine there is a long history of Haverford players going to UVA.

*I am not a fan of UVA sports teams specifically due to no link to the state or the school, but I enjoy watching the lacrosse team play. Matt Moore is a magician and Jared Conners is always around the ball. I am looking forward to the ACC battles.
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I think Aitken was a Dom recruit (correction welcomed) but Lars did well at Brown with Will Gural and Henry Blynn from HFord, so besides being a top tier HS it's certainly on his radar.
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bearlaxfan wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:01 pm I think Aitken was a Dom recruit (correction welcomed) but Lars did well at Brown with Will Gural and Henry Blynn from HFord, so besides being a top tier HS it's certainly on his radar.
Dox's NLI was in 2015, so definitely a Starsia era commit.

Of course Haverford's top guys are on any premier program's radar.
Certainly for the last decade.
Haverford alums could provide more color on prior history.
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Currier's not making first team AA was one of the dumbest snubs ever by that committee. He was a superb two way middie who saw some time at attack just to keep him on the field. Facing off was not his main thing, but were they somehow to eliminate FOGOs, he would be the kind of player you would want to take some face-offs and stay in the game and play lacrosse.
On the Canadian national team that would have won a second consecutive world championship if not for a questionable official's call, he took face-off wings and played dm.
When people call for the reintroduction of full service middies, he epitomizes what they want. UVA had a guy last year who was pretty versatile as well. He has not been replaced yet this year.
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Why didn’t Laviano show up as a starter in the box score for the last game?
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I watched the replay and didn't notice that he didn't start. Mitch Gordon, a senior, saw some time at both midfield and Laviano's attack spot, but Laviano definitely played. My sense was that it was a chance to play a kid who probably works hard in practice and doesn't see much pt in competitive games although he is now on emo, which surprised me given all the firepower this team has. Laviano certainly looks healthy, riding as hard as ever, but maybe he has some minor injury and was just rested a little. I'm a fan of the results that Lars has accomplished, but his substitution patterns can be a little baffling at times, particularly at midfield, where he runs a core of Aitken and Cormier with Garno, Connor, Bienkowski, and the occasional attackman like Quinn or Gordon thrown in. It will be interesting to see what happens against Brown.
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Sunday weather ok, abt 50° gametime, 10-15 mph winds.
Will feel like 45-48°. Field not shielded from the wind.
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Weather forecast sounds about like here, not bad for NE in early March.
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Any word on Cade Saustad situation?
Is Xander Dickson injured? He has not played this year.
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From reports on the UVA message board, Saustad is still not physically ready. No one seems to know about Dickson’s status.
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What UVA lacrosse board? I like this board as a one-stop shop for crowd-sourced lacrosse developments on multiple teams.
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Thesabre.com most likely.
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nyclaxfan wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:56 am What UVA lacrosse board? I like this board as a one-stop shop for crowd-sourced lacrosse developments on multiple teams.
Dip&Dunk wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:36 am Thesabre.com most likely.
Yes, there is a lacrosse board on TheSabre.com. It also doesn't have the "crowd-sourced" trolling found here.
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HowieT3 wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:51 am
nyclaxfan wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:56 am What UVA lacrosse board? I like this board as a one-stop shop for crowd-sourced lacrosse developments on multiple teams.
Dip&Dunk wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:36 am Thesabre.com most likely.
Yes, there is a lacrosse board on TheSabre.com. It also doesn't have the "crowd-sourced" trolling found here.
True enough!!!!
The word is that Dickson is redshirting this year.
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