MCLA National Tournament

MCLA Mens Lacrosse
User avatar
admin
Site Admin
Posts: 2982
Joined: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:20 pm

MCLA National Tournament

Post by admin »

In D2, it's hard not to root for FSU.
In D1, UNH.
User avatar
admin
Site Admin
Posts: 2982
Joined: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:20 pm

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by admin »

MCLA Favorites Move to Semifinals... Minus Two Teams.
User avatar
admin
Site Admin
Posts: 2982
Joined: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:20 pm

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by admin »

MCLA: The D1 and D2 Championship Finals on Saturday, May 11, at 2 PM and 11 AM (Salt Lake City time) are...

D1- #1 California vs. #3 South Carolina and
D2- #1 St. Thomas vs. #4 Dayton
User avatar
admin
Site Admin
Posts: 2982
Joined: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:20 pm

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by admin »

MCLA D2 Champion: St. Thomas (MN)

Image
User avatar
admin
Site Admin
Posts: 2982
Joined: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:20 pm

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by admin »

MCLA D1 Champion: South Carolina

Image
User avatar
holmes435
Posts: 2357
Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:57 am

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by holmes435 »

admin wrote: Tue May 07, 2019 10:28 am In D2, it's hard not to root for FSU.
In D1, UNH.
Florida State is D1. But they're FSU, so it's really hard to root for them.
User avatar
admin
Site Admin
Posts: 2982
Joined: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:20 pm

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by admin »

holmes435 wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 12:41 amFlorida State is D1....
Yes. Thank you for the correction.
User avatar
Brooklyn
Posts: 9621
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:16 am
Location: St Paul, Minnesota

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by Brooklyn »

admin wrote: Sat May 11, 2019 10:42 pm MCLA D2 Champion: St. Thomas (MN)

Image




Kudos to the Tommies. But it is time for them to move up to MCLA D 1 or better yet, the NCAA's D3. We have had numerous local media accounts about a move underway to force them out of the MIAC conference in all other sports. The school which is actually larger than Notre Dame continues to feature lineups that would be the envy of a great many NCAA Division II schools with many graduate school athletes playing against four year colleges with players that are only 18 or 19 years of age. Tommie alumni love to have the team win every game by trampling on their opponents and winning by humongous margins. Not fair, and certainly not sportsman like. It's time to level the playing field.

It is possible that a change may be made very soon, hopefully today.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.

Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
User avatar
admin
Site Admin
Posts: 2982
Joined: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:20 pm

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by admin »

What's the system/criteria for D1 vs. D2? Schools get to decide? Or is it a merit system like International Soccer?
User avatar
Brooklyn
Posts: 9621
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:16 am
Location: St Paul, Minnesota

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by Brooklyn »

admin wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 10:14 am What's the system/criteria for D1 vs. D2? Schools get to decide? Or is it a merit system like International Soccer?

To be D1, the school must have a D1 football team in the NCAA. However, a smaller school can play up to that level if they have a stronger team and are willing to finance it. For example, the well financed Chapman is smaller than St Thomas but it plays D1 while the Tommies play D2. Those cheapos at UST won't spend the $ for upping the program. Wouldn't it be great to see a series between the two schools? Besides the easier competition at D2 is more in keeping with the desires of those people because, like big bullies, they just love to trample on their opponents.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.

Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
User avatar
Brooklyn
Posts: 9621
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:16 am
Location: St Paul, Minnesota

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by Brooklyn »

Sorry if this is off topic but I think it is or should be somewhat related to the OP ...



It’s official: St. Thomas has been kicked out of MIAC


https://www.twincities.com/2019/05/22/s ... niversity/


Ninety-nine years after helping found the Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference, St. Thomas has been kicked out. It was the only way to save the conference, commissioner Dan McKane said.

“The MIAC would have collapsed in a year if this action didn’t occur,” McKane said Wednesday.

The MIAC announced the move Wednesday morning on its web site after weeks of speculation that the Tommies, the biggest school in the NCAA Division III conference, were on the way out.

Spurred by lopsided football losses, a number of MIAC schools began discussing the possibility of booting St. Thomas, but football wasn’t the only issue. Many believed the Tommies had simply outgrown the conference they helped start in 1920.

“The outcome,” St. Thomas vice president and athletics director Phil Esten said, “is sad and disappointing.”

With an undergraduate enrollment of 6,300, St. Thomas has grown to twice the size of the MIAC’s next-largest undergraduate populations, 2,900 each at St. Olaf and Bethel. Schools began debating the idea of changing the MIAC’s enrollment limit, something that would require nine of the conference’s 13 schools to endorse.

In the end, that wasn’t necessary, McKane said.

“There was no vote,” he said. “The membership, the presidents, discussed this over the past several months and agreed this is the best way to keep the conference intact, with a two-year transition for St. Thomas,” he said.

The Tommies can compete in the MIAC through spring 2021, but can leave earlier if they find a conference or decide to become an independent. Esten said “all options are on the table” for the Tommies. That includes staying Division III or moving up to Division II.

Although there was no vote, St. Thomas did not leave voluntarily. In a letter sent to alumni electronically Wednesday, St. Thomas president Julie H. Sullivan called “a difficult day for our community.”

“The primary concern cited by the other MIAC presidents,” she wrote, “is the lack of competitive parity within the conference, across many sports.”

In the past five years, St. Thomas has won more than 50 percent of all MIAC championships.

“There was strong consensus across all presidents that the MIAC would cease to exist as it is; that the only way it would survive intact was without St. Thomas,” Esten said.

Sullivan and Esten had been meeting with other MIAC presidents and athletics directors over the past several months in an effort to show that St. Thomas belonged in the conference. “We tried to understand their core concerns and tried to stabilize the conference,” he said. “That was our priority.”

The Pioneer Press contacted several MIAC schools seeking comment. Those that replied — Bethel, Carleton and Hamline — declined to make their presidents available or comment further on Wednesday’s announcement.

“The information given out by the MIAC is what’s going to be given out,” a Carleton spokesperson said.

St. Thomas has won 15 national titles since the MIAC became affiliated with NCAA Division III in 1973, more than any other conference school. In the past 10 years, St. Thomas has been the MIAC’s champion or co-champion in the eight biggest sports 57 times; the runner-up is Gustavus Adolphus with 15.

But football appeared to be the catalyst. In 2016, St. Thomas, led by coach Glenn Caruso, beat conference rivals Carleton, Hamline and St. Olaf by a combined score of 244-0. In 2017, that gap was closed to 190-0, including a 97-0 victory over St. Olaf in the regular-season finale.

Esten declined to single out football as the focus of the other 12 MIAC schools’ wrath.








I have attended a great many MIAC games in a wide variety of sports over the years. Schools like Bethel and St Johns have put championship teams on the football field over the years, but more often than not UST has won the day due to it large size (generally twice as big as most of the other schools) and the size of its post graduate program which includes a number of eligible athletes. This has also been largely true in others sports and in womens sports. Occasionally UST has met its match in wrestling with Augsburg being a perennial national champion. Same with Macalester in mens and womens soccer. I attribute Augsburg's and Macalester's success to great coaching and great tradition. Ditto for St John's historic success in football thanks to the great coaching of legendary John Gagliardi who passed away about a year ago.

Making it a level playing field has long been overdue. While UST was a charter member of the MIAC (a great conference, I must say) and while it is sad that they had to be ejected from the league, everyone will now have more parity and more fun without the school in the conference.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.

Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
User avatar
admin
Site Admin
Posts: 2982
Joined: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:20 pm

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by admin »

interesting
User avatar
Brooklyn
Posts: 9621
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:16 am
Location: St Paul, Minnesota

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by Brooklyn »

UST to possibly go Division One:

http://www.startribune.com/st-thomas-to ... 562174952/


While the student population is larger than Notre Dame's the campus size and facilities are considerably smaller. For that reason, a move to Division 2 would be more advisable.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.

Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
leeatu
Posts: 101
Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:44 pm

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by leeatu »

Brooklyn wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:40 pm UST to possibly go Division One:

http://www.startribune.com/st-thomas-to ... 562174952/


While the student population is larger than Notre Dame's the campus size and facilities are considerably smaller. For that reason, a move to Division 2 would be more advisable.
But; the only D2 conference, Northern Sun, that UST has the option of joining does not want to be "used" as a path to D1. UST is in a position not of their making that severely limits their options. By all accounts they have the finances and support to make a D3-to-D1 move.
User avatar
Brooklyn
Posts: 9621
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:16 am
Location: St Paul, Minnesota

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by Brooklyn »

leeatu wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:09 am
But; the only D2 conference, Northern Sun, that UST has the option of joining does not want to be "used" as a path to D1. UST is in a position not of their making that severely limits their options. By all accounts they have the finances and support to make a D3-to-D1 move.


That is correct. But the issue is, or may be, infrastructure. There isn't a hockey arena on campus and the football stadium would have to be completely revamped. Because of that, the parking lot would have to be significantly expanded and you have to wonder where is the space for that. Area property values have gone up quite a bit in recent years with locals investing much $ in upgrading their homes. Further re-routing of traffic and construction would lead to much neighborhood disruption or dislocation and area folks are not likely to be happy with that.


A football rivalry between Minnesota and UST? Not likely. One between Concordia-St Paul and UST seems far more realistic to me. We shall see what happens next ...
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.

Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
LaxManiax
Posts: 42
Joined: Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:56 am

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by LaxManiax »

UST wont be going D1. Just like the previous post said there will need to be a ton that goes into that and no way they can get that done anytime soon.

More likely you will see them join the WIAC. Overall the WIAC is the most competitive conference in the nation. More national championship than any other conference at the D3 level. They will gladly take UST.
User avatar
Brooklyn
Posts: 9621
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:16 am
Location: St Paul, Minnesota

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by Brooklyn »

I hope you are correct in saying that UST will not go D1.

Yesterday, the annual rivalry game betwixt UST and SJU took place in front of 19,000+ in St Paul:


http://www.startribune.com/st-john-s-us ... 563461992/


Too bad it wasn't played in Minneapolis where they could have gotten a crowd of 35,000+.

Last night the local media kept harping on and on about how UST will go D1 via the Summit League:

http://www.startribune.com/university-o ... 562174952/


Again, I much prefer they go D2, join Northern Sun, and face teams like Concordia St Paul (only a mile or 2 away from UST) and other schools in Minnesota:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_ ... Conference




Hadn't thought of UST in the WIAC but it's a better alternative to going D1. Perhaps SJU can join them in it thereby making it a 10 team league.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.

Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
User avatar
Brooklyn
Posts: 9621
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:16 am
Location: St Paul, Minnesota

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by Brooklyn »

St. Thomas has partner in Summit League as it attempts to blaze trail to Division I
The Tommies hope to become the first program to jump right from Division III to D-I, and the NCAA is amenable to the idea


http://www.startribune.com/st-thomas-ha ... 564636222/


When the Summit League extended an invitation to St. Thomas, it offered the Tommies more than a new conference home. The league became a full-fledged partner in the university’s quest to make the leap from Division III to Division I athletics.

Tom Douple, commissioner of the nine-member Summit League, said Wednesday that he and its member schools are committed to bringing St. Thomas into the conference.




Well, if that's what they want then so be it, I suppose. I still say D2 is the better path as there are so many schools in the state that play in this level but ....
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.

Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
User avatar
Brooklyn
Posts: 9621
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:16 am
Location: St Paul, Minnesota

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by Brooklyn »

St. John's and St. Thomas move rivalry finale to U.S. Bank Stadium
Football rivalry likely will end with Nov. 7 game at U.S. Bank Stadium.



http://www.startribune.com/st-john-s-an ... 567802362/


The St. John’s/St. Thomas football rivalry is heading for U.S. Bank Stadium this fall, and that likely will be the end of it.

The schools announced Wednesday that the teams will meet at 1 p.m. Nov. 7 in the Vikings’ stadium. It will technically be a home game for St. John’s.

The rivalry spans 119 years. The Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (MIAC) voted last spring to remove St. Thomas, and this fall will bring the Tommies’ final football season in the conference they helped form.

St. Thomas is working to make the leap from Division III to Division I and has an invitation from the Summit League, which would house most of its sports, with the football team potentially moving to the Pioneer League. When St. Thomas becomes D-I, it will likely mark the end of this storied rivalry.



more ...




http://www.thesummitleague.org/landing/index


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Football_League


Note that several of the Pioneer League schools are smaller than UST. Still, I wish the rivalry with St John's (MN) would continue. Hopefully, all this will mean that the Tommies will upgrade their lax program as well.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.

Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
User avatar
Brooklyn
Posts: 9621
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:16 am
Location: St Paul, Minnesota

Re: MCLA National Tournament

Post by Brooklyn »

Legendary softball coach John Tschida resigns from St Thomas because he cannot adjust to playing/coaching in Div One:


https://www.tommiemedia.com/sports/tsch ... asons-end/

St. Thomas softball coach John Tschida will resign at the end of the 2021 season to become the softball coach at his alma mater, St. Mary’s University, athletics departments from St. Mary’s and St. Thomas announced Monday.

Tschida, who has led the team for 21 seasons and accumulated 792 wins, the most wins of any coach in program history, told St. Mary’s news service that St. Thomas’ move to Division I was one of “a number of reasons” why Tschida resigned from St. Thomas.

“I love the Division III atmosphere; it’s the culture I grew up with, and I appreciate the relationships you develop with student-athletes in this division,” Tschida told St. Mary’s news service. “I enjoy the Division III philosophy of developing a lot of different levels of players and watching them grow as people and as players.”






I have chatted with Coach and his equally legendary Dad a handful of times and know them to be down home type guys. Big city life style is not for either one. Coach could make good money at D 1 and could have done so for years but it's about the fun, not the money, that motivates him in the game he loves so much.




Tschida is the third St. Thomas coach to resign or retire since the announcement of St. Thomas moving to Division I athletics next school year. Men’s golf coach Scott Proshek and men’s hockey coach Jeff Boeser both announced their retirements this school year.



https://www.tommiesports.com/news/2021/ ... eason.aspx


No word yet re whether lacrosse will be added as varsity sport any time soon.
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.

Charles Francis "Socker" Coe, Esq
Post Reply

Return to “MCLA MENS LACROSSE”