MIAA A Conference

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Who makes the MIAA playoffs?

Poll ended at Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:31 am

BL
15
15%
CHC
22
21%
Gilly
11
11%
JC
5
5%
LB
11
11%
McD
17
17%
MSJ/Spal
1
1%
Sev
4
4%
StM
10
10%
StP
7
7%
 
Total votes: 103

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get it to x wrote:
MDlaxfan76 wrote:Many fair points and for the most part I agree.

However, I think that periodic reassessment of how schools are ‘competing’ would be healthy. Indeed it has been done before.

I do think that the stated goals and rules of any voluntary organization are important. If they need to be changed, so be it, but do so conscientiously, and not unilaterally in some kind of whataboutism arms race.

From what I understand, several schools are well beyond the agreed upon rules, making critique of SFA awkward.
Almost all of the A Conference schools that wanted national recognition in any sport got a little sketchy. The exception might be lacrosse, where Beltway bragging rights are nearly more important than any "national championship.”
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kramerica.inc wrote:
get it to x wrote:
MDlaxfan76 wrote:Many fair points and for the most part I agree.

However, I think that periodic reassessment of how schools are ‘competing’ would be healthy. Indeed it has been done before.

I do think that the stated goals and rules of any voluntary organization are important. If they need to be changed, so be it, but do so conscientiously, and not unilaterally in some kind of whataboutism arms race.

From what I understand, several schools are well beyond the agreed upon rules, making critique of SFA awkward.
Almost all of the A Conference schools that wanted national recognition in any sport got a little sketchy. The exception might be lacrosse, where Beltway bragging rights are nearly more important than any "national championship.”
:lol:

Unfortunately, I think lacrosse has likewise gone well beyond the MIAA rules on recruiting.
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After watching an incredibly talented football team from a school located in the City of Baltimore MD,St, Francis Academy I was curious if their athletically talented,kids played lacrosse? Apparently a folkloric millionaire took over the FB program and turned it into a national power. That school had as many if not more commits to SEC,BIG 10 and ACC as did some of the Florida,Georgia and Texas programs.

The commentators allege that school was NOT a member of the MIAA?
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wahoomurf wrote:After watching an incredibly talented football team from a school located in the City of Baltimore MD,St, Francis Academy I was curious if their athletically talented,kids played lacrosse? Apparently a folkloric millionaire took over the FB program and turned it into a national power. That school had as many if not more commits to SEC,BIG 10 and ACC as did some of the Florida,Georgia and Texas programs.

The commentators allege that school was NOT a member of the MIAA?
SFA's football program no longer competes in the MIAA, though I believe they were crowned A Conference champ again in '18. It's a long story, discussed at some length on LP.
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wahoomurf, this post earlier this past fall tells some of the backstory. No, SFA does not have a lacrosse program.
MDlaxfan76 wrote:Speaking of Poggi, Soledad O'Brien ran a piece with Biff and the SFA program yesterday.

https://matteroffact.tv/this-football-t ... play-them/

Her program's length does not lend itself to in-depth reporting, but it's nevertheless a shame that the sensationalistic aspect of having been dropped by local schools is still being covered this way as somehow driven by race.

Poggi built, with his money, will, and strong staff, in remarkably short time, a national powerhouse football program. They did so primarily by recruiting many of the already identified top college prospects over multiple states, as well as from the Maryland region and then doing a good job of coaching them. The team is enormously big, fast, and strong, as well as highly talented, the equal or darn close to it of any program in the nation. It's especially good to hear that all participants, according to Soledad, went on to college last year.

That's cool, and we can easily wish them well in their national level football pursuits, but the whining about their former opponents dropping them from their schedules, and especially the attribution to racial dynamics, is immensely inappropriate. Biff has made clear, been quoted, that he'd intended to drop the MIAA next year anyway, but the MIAA moved before he expected, given that the disparity was so pronounced so much faster than perhaps Biff himself had expected.

Heck, Biff's alma mater and former program, Gilman, did not actually refuse to play SFA, only dropping them after SFA/Biff scheduled anther opponent on their scheduled date. And that was after losing to SFA twice the year before by whopping big margins, despite Gilman being the 2nd best team in 2017's MIAA. (and knowing they'd be at best middle of the pack the following year (just 37 total players in the upper school program). And yet the reporting made it sound as if they too had dropped SFA.

Interestingly, the O'Brien piece mentioned that in the 2nd to last game of the current season, 2018, a team actually arrived from Ohio to take on SFA, but half the team refused to get off the bus, and that school forfeited. Reason? Concern about being hurt. Again, SFA's team is huge and powerful, so it's not actually irrational. But pretty unusual to come all the way from Ohio only to decide not to play enroute.

(I think it is reasonable to expect that in 2019 and on, SFA will be able to schedule a national set of opponents that give them a good test. This year, the best any opponent (from Philly) could do was a 35-0 drubbing).

One thing that is disturbing from the reporting was that the MIAA did not provide a spokesperson to go on camera to explain its constituents' views. Nor did any of the schools.

Perhaps they are 'gun shy' having been so repeatedly abused in the press, and were concerned that only a snippet of what they would have to say would be unfairly used to make them look bad. Gilman's co-AD, Lori Bristow, had done a creditable job in earlier interviews, but nevertheless the reporting emphasized the racial accusations as if truly credible. I can certainly imagine not wanting to go on camera and just trusting the media to tell the full story. They did respond in writing, apparently, but not going on camera was made to sound as if they were afraid of answering questions.

But this whole thing was handled weakly by the MIAA, right from the get go.

As we've discussed before, IMO the various recruiting tactics, across sports, deserves an honest review and reappraisal, as they definitely do not conform to the stated goals and rules of the organization. But this would require the league to really look each other in the eye and decide exactly what the standards and policies should be going forward and then provide the mechanisms for enforcement that would be respected.

I'm not holding my breath.
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Just for giggles and to try and spur some discussion:

Here's my blind, "shot in the dark" prediction for the 2019 finish-

CHC- On paper, the team to beat.
McD- The program that's hard to match financially and recruiting-reach wise. Should be in the mix.
StM- Lots of positive rumblings about the Saints this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see them make a late run.
BL- BL rarely has down years. This may be one of them. And they will still be contenders.
LB- Can the Dons make some noise with their new HC?
Gilly- Cupboard is full, according to some. Will the Hounds send Brooks out with a playoff birth?
StP- Some good athletes rostered in Brooklandville. Can they perform?
Sev- Another year of gelling, installing the new system and figuring out the battle rhythm.
JC- Lots of talent flocking to Bel Air, but it's still young.
Spal - Hearing that optimism abounds down south
MSJ - New coach, new outlook in Catonsville, but it may take a few years to get rolling.

Thoughts?
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Based on (some of) the returning players, it's hard to bet against Calvert Hall.
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Schedules starting to trickle out
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Some early season schedules starting to trickle out. I tried to compile and include as much info as I could find from different websites:

Archbishop Spalding:
3/? Sts Peter and Paul
3/8 Glenelg Country
3/12 Hill Academy
3/16 Chestnut Hill @ PNC Invitational - Loyola University Maryland
3/19 @ Dematha
3/20 @ Georgetown Prep
3/22 @ DelMar High School
3/24 Good Counsel
3/29@ St. Mary's

Boy's Latin:
2/26 4pm Georgetown Prep
3/1 4pm @ Landon
3/6 4:15pm @Haverford Prep
3/12 4:30pm Gonzaga
3/14 4:30 Calverton School
3/16 11 am Oxbridge Academy (FL)
3/19 7pm St. Andrews
3/23 7pm Brunswick School (CT) @ U Penn
3/29 4pm @ Calvert Hall
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Calvert Hall:
2/24 4pm @ Bullis (Scrim)
3/3 12pm @ Gonzaga (Scrim)
3/9 @ Charlotte Country Day
3/10 @ Memphis University School (TN)
3/13 4pm Hill Academy
3/16 11:30am Dominion (VA)
3/21 Malvern Prep
3/24 12pm Loyola Academy (IL)
3/29 7pm Boys Latin

Gilman:
3/1 4:30pm @ Haverford (PA)
3/5 5pm @ Gonzaga (DC)
3/12 Georgetown Prep
3/16 Bullis @ PNC Invitational - Loyola University Maryland
3/23 1pm Episcopal Academy @ USL
3/26 4:30pm @ Hereford HS
3/29 4:15pm Severn
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John Carroll:
3/? Hun School @ U of Delaware
3/? Hill Academy
3/? Friends
3/? Kent Island High School
3/? Archbishop Curley
3/? Northern HS
3/? Marriott's Ridge HS
3/29 Loyola HS

McDonogh:
3/9 @ Gonzaga
3/12 4:30pm Haverford
3/14 @ Bullis
3/17 @ Montgomery Bell Academy (TN)
3/19 @ Durham Academy
3/25 4:30pm Culver Academy
3/29 4:30pm St. Pauls'
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St. Mary's
2/23 Dematha (Scrim)
3/1 @ GPrep
3/8 St. Stephen St. Agnes
3/15 @ Landon
3/16 @ STAB (VA)
3/20 @ Episcopal (VA?)
3/22 Appoquinimink
3/29 7pm Spalding
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St Pauls:
2/? Gonzaga
3/2 Good Counsel
3/8 Landon
3/12 St Joe's Prep
3/15 Haverford
3/19 American Heritage School
3/21 St. Andrew's
3/29 McDonogh
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Correct me if I am wrong. BUT, if Calvert Hall three-peats, would they be the first team to ever do that outright in the MSA/MIAA?
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In the MIAA, "A" correct.

When you include the MSA years into the mix, it hasn't happened in the plastic stick era.

St. Paul's last won three crowns in 1971. But there were no playoffs or a championship game back then...Gilman, and City have had 3peats too. But only a handful of teams played back then.

MIAA A:

Year Champion Runner-Up Score Winning Coach
2018 Calvert Hall Boys' Latin 8-6 Bryan Kelly
2017 Calvert Hall McDonogh 12-6 Bryan Kelly
2016 McDonogh Boys' Latin 8-5 Andy Hilgartner
2015 St. Mary's McDonogh 13-8 Ben Rubeor
2014 Boys' Latin St. Paul's 17-11 Bob Shriver
2013 Loyola-Blakefield Boys' Latin 10-9 Jack Crawford
2012 Calvert Hall Loyola-Blakefield 17-3 Bryan Kelly
2011 Gilman Calvert Hall 13-8 Brooks Matthews
2010 St. Paul's Boys' Latin 17-7 Rick Brocato
2009 Gilman Calvert Hall 13-7 Brooks Matthews
2008 Loyola-Blakefield Gilman 12-11 Jack Crawford
2007 Loyola-Blakefield Boys' Latin 10-6 Jack Crawford
2006 Boys' Latin McDonogh 11-6 Bob Shriver
2005 McDonogh Boys' Latin 9-8 Jake Reed
2004 St. Paul's Gilman 15-10 Mitch Whiteley
2003 Calvert Hall St. Mary's 7-5 Bryan Kelly
2002 Boys' Latin Loyola-Blakefield 12-7 Bob Shriver
2001 Loyola-Blakefield McDonogh 17-12 John Tucker
2000 Gilman Boys' Latin 10-8 Dave Allan
1999 McDonogh Gilman Jake Reed
1998 Gilman St. Paul's John Tucker
1997 Boys' Latin Loyola-Blakefield Bob Shriver
1996 St. Mary's St. Paul's

End of MSA, Beginning of MIAA

1995 Gilman Boys' Latin
1994 Gilman St. Mary's
1993 St. Mary's Loyola-Blakefield
1992 St. Paul's Boys' Latin
1991 St. Paul's St. Mary's
1990 Loyola-Blakefield Severn
1989 Loyola-Blakefield Calvert Hall
1988 Boys' Latin Loyola-Blakefield
1987 Loyola-Blakefield Calvert Hall
1986 Loyola-Blakefield Boys' Latin
1985 Boys' Latin Loyola-Blakefield
1984 Loyola-Blakefield Boys' Latin
1983 Loyola-Blakefield Gilman - no championship game
1982 St. Paul's Loyola-Blakefield - no championship game
1981 Gilman/St. Paul's no championship game
1980 Loyola-Blakefield Calvert Hall
1979 St. Paul's Boys' Latin
1978 Gilman Boys' Latin
1977 Calvert Hall Boys' Latin
1976 Gilman Boys' Latin
1975 Calvert Hall Gilman - no championship game
1974 Loyola-Blakefield Boys' Latin
1973 Gilman Calvert Hall
1972 Calvert Hall no championship game
1971 St. Paul's/Calvert Hall no championship game
1970 St. Paul's/Gilman no championship game
1969 St. Paul's no championship game
1968 Severn no championship game
1967 St. Paul's no championship game
1966 Boys' Latin City
1965 Severn City
1964 Boys' Latin Poly
1963 Friends City
1962 City St. Paul's
1961 St. Paul's Poly
1960 St. Paul's Southern
1959 City St. Paul's
1958 City St. Paul's
1957 St. Paul's City
1956 Gilman City
1955 St. Paul's City
1954 Friends Poly
1953 St. Paul's Southern
1952 St. Paul's Poly
1951 St. Paul's Gilman
1950 Gilman Poly
1949 Gilman St. Pauls
1948 Gilman Friends
1947 Gilman Boys' Latin
1946 St. Paul's Gilman
1945 St. Paul's Boys' Latin
1944 St. Paul's Boys' Latin
1943 St. Paul's Poly
1942 St. Paul's Boys' Latin
1941 St. Paul's Boys' Latin
1940 St. Paul's N/A
1939 McDonogh Boys' Latin
1938 Friends N/A
1937 City N/A
1936 City Boys' Latin
1935 City Boys' Latin
1934 Boys' Latin McDonogh
1933 City McDonogh
1932 Boys' Latin N/A
1931 Poly N/A
1930 Poly City
1929 Friends/Severn/Poly N/A
1928 Friends N/A
1927 City N/A
1926 City Poly

For records buffs, a few teams have had 3peats in the "B" league including current "A" teams John Carroll and Archbishop Spalding, among others.

Year Champion Runner-Up Score Winning Coach
2018 Gerstell Academy (10-8) Sts. Peter & Paul (11-8) 9-5 Sean Todd
2017 John Carroll (15-5) Gerstell Academy (16-3) 16-11 Brian King
2016 John Carroll (19-6) Glenelg Country (9-7) 17-9 Brian King
2015 John Carroll (13-8) Archbishop Curley (10-7) 20-13 Brian King
2014 Sts. Peter & Paul (15-5) Archbishop Curley (15-2) 14-12 Bud Lewis
2013 Sts. Peter & Paul (13-5) John Carroll (12-6) 13-11 Bud Lewis
2012 Sts. Peter & Paul (13-4) Friends (12-4) 14-13 Bud Lewis
2011 Friends School (16-1) Annapolis Area Christian (14-5) 10-2 Jon Garman
2010 John Carroll (15-2) Glenelg Country School (12-8) 11-4 Keith Hindler
2009 Annapolis Area Christian (13-4) John Carroll (10-4) 14-13 (2OT) Dick Bitzer
2008 Archbishop Curley (15-1) John Carroll (12-3) 8-5 Josiah LaTona
2007 Archbishop Curley (17-1) Park School (11-3) 8-6 Josiah LaTona
2006 St. Vincent Pallotti (15-3) Park School (12-4) 10-9 (OT) Chris Lombardi
2005 Park School (14-2) John Carroll (12-4) 5-4 (OT) Lucky Mallonee
2004 John Carroll (16-1) Park School (12-5) 12-4 Keith Hindler
2003 John Carroll (14-1) Archbishop Spalding (16-6) 11-3 Keith Hindler
2002 Archbishop Spalding (18-5) Park School (13-3) 10-9 Walt Blahut
2001 Archbishop Spalding (13-9) Annapolis Area Christian (12-8) 14-11 (OT) Walt Blahut
2000 Archbishop Spalding (14-5) Annapolis Christian (12-4) 10-7
1999 Friends School Jon Garman
1998 Friends School Jon Garman
1997 Friends School Jon Garman
1996 John Carroll Boo Smith

End of MSA, Beginning of MIAA

1995 John Carroll Boo Smith
1994 John Carroll Boo Smith
1993 Friends School Jon Garman
1992 Forest Park (10-1) Cardinal Gibbons (#-#) 7-2 Obie Barnes
1991 John Carroll Boo Smith
1990 John Carroll Boo Smith
1989 John Carroll Boo Smith
1988 John Carroll Boo Smith
1987 Friends School
1986 Archbishop Curley
1985 John Carroll Boo Smith
1984 John Carroll Boo Smith
1983
1982 Poly (B)/Severn School (BB)
1981
1980 Patterson (B)/Friend School (BB)
1979 John Carroll (B)/Mount St. Joseph (BB) Boo Smith
1978
1977 Archbishop Curley
1976 Archbishop Curley
1975
1974 Park School
1973
1972 Cardinal Gibbons
1971 Archbishop Curley
1970
1969 Archbishop Curley
1968 Loyola-Blakefield Northern
1967 Loyola-Blakefield Park School
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Post-High Point beating Duke... St. Mary's knows how to create goalies.
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I agree. Former MIAA goalies are setting the bar early in the season. Calvert Hall alum & BU Jr. Joe McSorely had 24 saves vs. Providence. Both were multi year starters in the MIAA.
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admin wrote: Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:05 am Post-High Point beating Duke... St. Mary's knows how to create goalies.
In addition to Troutner, Tim Mealy, Chris Garrity, Jason Carter, Tillman Johnson, Mike Fretwell and Dominic Lamolinara all handled the cage for some very good St. Mary's teams before going on to very good post HS lacrosse. Garrity was goalie of the USA World Team. I think Fretwell only started as a senior then went on to start all four years at Loyola, which tells you about the team depth at goalie.
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admin wrote: Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:05 am Post-High Point beating Duke... St. Mary's knows how to create goalies.
Towson beating Hopkins ... St. Mary's knows how to create fogos.
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In addition to Woodall, who are the other St. Mary's FOGOs out there?
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