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Re: Navy 2019

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WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 1:20 pm
seacoaster wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 10:59 am
DMac wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 10:49 am
WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote
I think he could excel in the SA environment.
Yeah but could he meet the military height weight requirements?
Height's no problem, other one is though (SA isn't gonna tolerate that I would guess).
We are using up valuable PAGE COUNT here on the Navy thread when the JHU thread is plenty elastic enough to absorb this. C'mon guys.
I had a legitimate question for the Navy folks.

Now, the Cuse fan who likes to fat shame people multiple times a year... yeah, that can go somewhere else. Like the trash can or penalty box. That’s about the fourth or fifth fat shaming post of the year and shouldn’t be tolerated.
Wombat-to answer your question in short, no. Passing around HC's is not something that has worked very well in any sport...I am sure someone will prove me wrong, but I would speculate it is far and few between.
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Re: Navy 2019

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If you can get Tillman, you get Tillman.
His nature and personality is much more suited to Navy than the other, more experienced coaches being mentioned.
That matters at SAs.
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Re: Navy 2019

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WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 1:20 pm
seacoaster wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 10:59 am
DMac wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 10:49 am
WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote
I think he could excel in the SA environment.
Yeah but could he meet the military height weight requirements?
Height's no problem, other one is though (SA isn't gonna tolerate that I would guess).
We are using up valuable PAGE COUNT here on the Navy thread when the JHU thread is plenty elastic enough to absorb this. C'mon guys.
I had a legitimate question for the Navy folks.

Now, the Cuse fan who likes to fat shame people multiple times a year... yeah, that can go somewhere else. Like the trash can or penalty box. That’s about the fourth or fifth fat shaming post of the year and shouldn’t be tolerated.
My question was legitimate as well. If considered would that come into play, and I believe it would.
As for the shaming, go back and look at several of your posts and see what kind of names you come up with for those who attend/play for other schools...start with Md, can check out Cuse too.
It's that pot-kettle thing.
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Re: Navy 2019

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laxxygilmore wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 12:13 pm
Bravo 3 wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 10:08 am Naptown don’t sweat it , it’s comical ! While at Navy
Richie won 5 tournament championships to RS ‘s 0. took a team to the ncaas multiple times including championship Monday.
Won double digit postseason games to RS’s 1.

And the biggest Indictment to Rick Sowell coaching was that EVERYTIME he made the Patriot tournament , they were beaten by a team they had beaten during the regular season !!! The 2 against Army and the one against Holy Cross were bombs.
EXACTLY
Navy MLax historical context snap-shot since NCAA established in 1971…following the impressive 1928-1970 era of USILA, whereby Navy MLax won 17 USILA Championships (12) or Co-Championships (5) under head coaches Finlayson; Moore and Bilderback.

NCAA Starting in 1971…
YEARS***HEAD COACH***GAMES W-L***W SEASONS***NCAAT APPEARANCES

’71-‘72***Bilderback*******18-8/.692******2 of 2/1.000****2 (1FF / 1QF)
’73-‘82***Szlasa************85-44/.658****10 of 10/1.000**10 (1RU / 5FF / 4QF)
’83-‘94***Matthews********84-61/.579******8 of 12/.666***7 (4QF / 4RD1)
’95-‘11***Meade***********142-97/.594****10 of 17/.588***7 (1RU / 2QF / 4RD1)…PLT Championships @ 5 of 8/.625
’12-‘19***Sowell************54-56/.490*****3 of 8/.375*****1 (QF)…PLT Championships @ 0 of 8/.000

The 1971-2011 era @ 329-210/.610 with W seasons @ 30 of 41/.731 and 26 NCAAT appearances.

IMHO, Navy MLax Mids will recover quickly from the unfortunate results and experience of the 2012-2019 era. IMHO, AD Gladchuk is correct in his view that new head coaching leadership is needed to restore Navy MLax to his long history of success prior to 2012-2019.

laxxygilmore wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 4:21 pm
xxxxxxx wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 3:14 pm I am not a Navy guy but have tremendous respect and gratitude for all who serve. I am just curious, in today's world with 73 D1 teams and large resources committed to these teams, what is a reasonable expectation for a Service Academy Lacrosse program? Is it National Champion/Final Four contender? Is it Patriot League contenders with a league championship every few years? Is it a winning record? I am not being sarcastic or disrespectful to anyone, just curious as to what are the expectations.
Great question. IMHO...over an 8 seasons time frame...

Games W-L Overall @ .680 or >, not 54-56/.490
SOS Rating Avg.@ <20, not +-#32
W Seasons @ .750 or >, not 3 of 8/.375

Games W-L vs. “Top 30” Teams @ .600 or >, not 21-48/.304

Games W-L vs. “Bottom 43” Teams @ >.805, certainly not below 33-8/.805! :)

One Goal Games W-L @ .750 or >, not 12-15/.444

9 Goals Scored or Less by Navy W-L @ .750 or >, not 10-50/.166

Scoring O @ >12.0g/gm avg, not 9.32g/gm avg.
Scoring D @ <8.0ga/gm avg., not >9.38ga/gm avg.
Scoring O – Scoring D Difference @ 4.0g/gm avg., not -0.06g/gm avg.

PLT Qualified @ .875 or >, not 5 of 8/.625
PLT Championships @ .750 or >, not 0 of 8/.000 overall or 0 of 5 when in the PLT
PLT Championships Runner-Up @ only when losing the final 1x or 2x in 8 years, not 0 of 5/.000
PLT Games W-L @ .750 or >, not 0-5/.000 when actually making the PLT to begin with.
And not being outscored overall 51-32 or 10.2 to 6.4 avg./gm in PLT play.

NCAAT Qualified @ .750 or >, not 1 of 8/.125
NCAAT Games W-L @ .600 or >, not 1-1/.500

Overall Post Season Tourney Games W-L @ .600 or >, not 1-6/.143

Overall vs. Army Games W-L @ .875 or >, not 4-6/.400
(Not being outscored overall by Army 97-78 or 9.7 to 7.8 avg./gm)

PLT Army Games W-L @ 1.000, not 0-2/.000
(Not being outscored overall in PLT by Army 20-10 or 10.0 to 5.0 avg./gm)…w/ L’s to Army in PLT when it matters most.

Overall vs. Maryland Games W-L @ .600 or >, not 0-8/.000
(Not being outscored overall by MD 93-51 or 11.6 to 6.3 avg./gm)

Overall vs. Hopkins Games W-L @ .600 or >, not 1-5/.166…assuming their back after dropping Hopkins after 2017.
(Not being outscored overall by Hopkins 63-44 or 10.5 to 7.3 avg./gm)

Overall vs. Loyola Games W-L @ >.600, not 1-5/.166
(Not being outscored overall by Loyola 84-44, or 14.0 to 7.3 avg./gm)
Record alone vs. Maryland + Hopkins + Loyola (aka, “Top 20” teams) totals @ .600 or >, and not @ 2-18/.100 of the 20-46/.303 overall within vs. Top 30 teams from 2012-2019.
Interesting times indeed for Navy Lacrosse. So who really are the best candidates to lead, develop and deliver sustainable success with the Mids consistent with the many, many years prior to the past eight seasons of 2012-2019? Well, based on the 2019 NCAAT results to date @ an average score of 16.6 to 12.2 for the first 12 games (RD1 @ 16.6 to 11.2 and RD2 @ 16.7 to 14.2...and consistent with many NCAAT's of the past decade plus), I guess it needs to be someone who can consistently spool up an O @ >14g/gm and D @ <10ga/gm to consistently compete well through each regular season / post season and into the NCAAT with an O-D @ >+4g/gm avg.
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Re: Navy 2019

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gymman1031 wrote: » Tue May 21, 2019 12:47 pm
Could Tills be the guy?
kramerica.inc wrote: » Tue May 21, 2019 2:12 pm
If you can get Tillman, you get Tillman.
His nature and personality is much more suited to Navy than the other, more experienced coaches being mentioned.
That matters at SAs.
https://umterps.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1606&path=mlax

Blending a mix of the program's historic motto, "Be The Best," with his own principles of high character in all aspects of life, John Tillman has created a formula that has resulted in one of the most successful eras in Maryland lacrosse's illustrious history.

Tillman's formula came to ultimate fruition in 2017 when Maryland captured its first NCAA National Championship since 1975. Since taking over the helm as Maryland head coach eight years ago, Tillman has led the Terps to seven NCAA Final Fours, five national title games and a 110-33 (.769) overall record.

Tillman's Career Record (11 seasons): 130-52 (.714)
Tillman's Record at Maryland (8 seasons): 110-33 (.769)
Tillman's NCAA Record: 21-7 (.750), 7 Final Fours, 2017 National Champion
(updated after the 2018 season)…NOTE: 2019 results NIC above @ 12-5/.705 and NCAAT QF.

Tillman's numbers since arriving in College Park in 2011 are impressive, leading the country in All-American selections (53), Major League Lacrosse draft selections (36), NCAA Tournament wins (21) and Final Fours (7) during that eight-year span.

In just eight NCAA Tournament appearances, Tillman has already supplanted himself among the greatest coaches in history. His 21-7 career NCAA Tournament record ranks seventh all-time in NCAA history.

Additionally, the program's accomplishments have translated to the classroom, as Tillman has had 12 USILA Scholar All-Americans in eight seasons. The 2015 spring semester and 2016 fall semester combined for the program's highest GPA in more than 10 years.

Maryland did not skip a beat in 2018 despite losing four first team all-americans to graduation from the 2017 title team, as Tillman led the Terps to their fifth straight Final Four and seventh in eight seasons and a Big Ten regular season title. Connor Kelly became the third Tewaaraton finalist in program history and was named Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year, and five individuals were named USILA All-Americans.

Maryland went 16-3 and captured the Big Ten regular season and tournament titles en route to capturing the 2017 National Championship. Tillman coached Matt Rambo, who set team records for points (257) and goals (155) en route to capturing the program's first-ever Tewaaraton Award, and Tim Muller, who earned the Schmeisser Award for being the nation's top defender. The Terps had a nation's-best nine USILA All-America selections, while Isaiah Davis-Allen became just the second student-athlete in Maryland history to receive the Senior CLASS Award.

The Terrapins won a program record 17 games in addition to piecing together a single-season record 16 consecutive wins in 2016 as they returned to the National Championship game, where they lost an overime heartbreaker to UNC. Tillman's team swept the Big Ten regular season and tournament titles, while compiling the NCAA's top-ranked RPI. Eight players earned USILA All-America honors and Matt Dunn was named a Senior CLASS Award First Team All-American.

Maryland had another phenomenal season in 2015 when Tillman led the team to a Terrapin single-season record 15 victories and a berth in the NCAA national title game. The Terps featured the top-ranked scoring defense (7.1 goals allowed/g), as junior Kyle Bernlohr claimed the Ensign C. Markland Kelly, Jr. Award. Additionally, five players earned USILA All-America honors and Casey Ikeda was also a USILA Scholar All-American.

Tillman captured his first career ACC Coach of the Year honor by leading the Terps to the 2014 ACC regular season championship and the program's third Final Four appearance in four seasons. Senior Niko Amato earned the Ensign C. Markland Kelly, Jr. Award as the nation's most outstanding goalie, as five Maryland players earned USILA All-America honors.

Tillman's third season in College Park saw the Terps ascend to the top of the national rankings for the first time since 2006, following a 12-10 win at then-No. 1 Loyola on Feb. 21. Maryland earned a bid to the NCAA tournament for the 11th consecutive season, which is the longest active streak in Division I men's lacrosse. Seniors Jesse Bernhardt and John Haus became the first Terrapins since 2006 to earn first-team All-America honors, leading a group of seven Maryland honorees.

The 2012 season was viewed by many as a rebuilding year after Maryland graduated 17 seniors in 2011, but Tillman rallied the team and the Terrapins returned to the NCAA championship game with sensational postseason performances from seniors Joe Cummings and Drew Snider among others. Five Terps earned All-America honors following Maryland's 12-6 campaign and junior Jesse Bernhardt was selected as co-recipient of the ACC's first-ever Defensive Player of the Year award.

In his first season in College Park Tillman guided the Terps to a 13-5 record, the 2011 ACC championship (the program's first since 2005) and a berth in the NCAA championship game (the first for the Terps since 1998). Eight Terrapins earned All-America honors in Tillman's first season, which is the most Maryland players selected in a single-season since 2004.

Tillman was hired as the University of Maryland's head men's lacrosse coach on June 16, 2010, becoming the ninth coach in the then-85-year history of the program.

Widely considered one of the top coaches in the country and a dynamic recruiter, Tillman was the head men's lacrosse coach at Harvard for three seasons prior to his arrival in College Park. His last recruiting class for the Crimson was rated No. 3 in the nation, according to Inside Lacrosse.

During his three seasons at Harvard, Tillman compiled an overall record of 20-19, including an 8-5 mark in 2009, which was the Crimson's highest win total since 1999.

Tillman's time at Harvard produced a number of the most memorable wins in the program's history. This past season, during which Harvard climbed as high as No. 11 in the national polls, Tillman guided the Crimson to an 11-8 victory over No. 6 Princeton, which was the first time Harvard had defeated the Tigers in 20 years. In 2009, Tillman led the Crimson to a season-opening 9-6 upset victory at No. 5 Duke.

Tillman improved his teams in every aspect over the past three seasons. Prior to his arrival in Cambridge, Mass., the Crimson ranked 40th and 42nd, respectively, in total offense and defense. Tillman's defense ranked as high as No. 3 in the nation, while his offense rose to No. 15 in the country. He also dramatically improved Harvard's extra-man offense, from the 51st-ranked unit before he arrived, to a perennial top 15 unit.

Prior to Harvard, Tillman spent 12 seasons at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md. After six seasons as an assistant coach, he was promoted to head assistant coach and offensive coordinator prior to the 2002 season. From 2004 through 2007, Tillman helped lead the Midshipmen to the some of the most successful seasons in program history, including four straight NCAA tournament berths, four consecutive Patriot League tournament titles and four straight Patriot League regular season championships.

In 2004, with Tillman at the helm of the Navy offense, the Mids made a remarkable run through the NCAA tournament, defeating three Ivy League teams (Penn, Cornell and Princeton) en route to a spot in the national championship game. Tillman's offense was a key component of Navy's success that season, ranking third in the nation in scoring offense. Following the Mids' tremendous 2004 season, Tillman was awarded the first of his two Collegiate Lacrosse Assistant Coach of the Year Awards by the Maryland State Lacrosse Coaches Association.

During his 12 season at the Naval Academy, Tillman was responsible for helping develop first team All-America midfielders Graham Gill and Billy Looney and second team All-America attackman Jon Birsner. In his 12 seasons in Annapolis, the Mids compiled an overall record of 104-63.
Tillman started his coaching career as an assistant coach at Ithaca College. He spent four seasons (1992-95) with the Bombers, helping lead them to the Division III national semifinals in 1992.

In addition to his extensive coaching experience, Tillman also serves as a member of the Tewaaraton Award Men's Selection Committee.

Tillman is also extremely active in the community, regularly speaking to local schools and lacrosse programs. He has been highly involved with Team IMPACT since 2015, which matches children with life-threatening illnesses with sports programs. In addition, he also regularly coaches in the annual "Shootout for Soldiers" event locally.

A 1991 graduate of Cornell University's School of Hotel Administration, Tillman was a three-year member of the school's Dean's list. He had the opportunity to play for legendary coach Richie Moran and was a member of the 1989 squad that earned a berth in the NCAA tournament.
Tillman was a goalie when he entered college, but played a number of positions for the Big Red, giving him a great appreciation and understanding for the overall game of lacrosse.

Tillman played professionally for the Baltimore Thunder and the Washington Power of the National Lacrosse League. During his final two seasons in Baltimore, he helped the Thunder reach the NLL Championship and Semifinals. Tillman also played for the Toyota Lacrosse Club, who won five-consecutive Southern Division Championships, including a world championship in 2000.

A native of Corning, N.Y., Tillman was previously commissioned into the U.S. Navy as a fleet support officer and was awarded the Navy Achievement Medal.

Full Name: John Tillman
Hometown: Corning, N.Y.
Alma Mater: Cornell `91

2010- Maryland (Head Coach)
2008-10 - Harvard (Head Coach)
2002-07 - Navy (Head Assistant Coach)
1996-2001 - Navy (Assistant Coach)
1992-1995 - Ithaca College (Assistant Coach)

Richie Meade, Navy, Head Coach
"I think John is one of the brightest Division I coaches out there and will do an outstanding job at Maryland. He's an outstanding person; very dedicated with a great work ethic and will be a positive influence on the players, his coaching staff and the University."

Dave Pietramala, Johns Hopkins, Head Coach
"I have great respect for John Tillman and the approach he brings to the game. He is a tireless worker, outstanding coach and even better human being."
How could any collegiate athletics department not want to land (or try hard to land) John Tillman as their men's lacrosse head coach? :shock:
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Re: Navy 2019

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I’m still surprised at the timing of cutting RS loose.

Was it strictly three tripwires getting triggered, or does Chet see an opportunity right now that can’t wait for another year or two?
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Gonna be Tillman
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Tillman’s contract runs through 2022, correct? He’s 2 years removed from the National Championship, and the team was a goal away from his 8th final four in 10 years, unless I am miscounting.

Is Tillman talk wishful thinking, or is there ANY indication he’s looking generally, or looking specifically at Navy?
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Re: Navy 2019

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Interesting times indeed for Navy Lacrosse. So who really are the best candidates to lead, develop and deliver sustainable success with the Mids consistent with the many, many years prior to the past eight seasons of 2012-2019? Well, based on the 2019 NCAAT results to date @ an average score of 16.6 to 12.2 for the first 12 games (RD1 @ 16.6 to 11.2 and RD2 @ 16.7 to 14.2...and consistent with many NCAAT's of the past decade plus), I guess it needs to be someone who can consistently spool up an O @ >14g/gm and D @ <10ga/gm to consistently compete well through each regular season / post season and into the NCAAT with an O-D @ >+4g/gm avg.
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Interesting you mention someone who is able to score upwards of 14 goals per game... That might be a tough task and expectation, as only 8 teams in the country this year were able to consistently end the year averaging over 14 gpg. However one of those teams was Georgetown and Mike Phipps...
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Tillman has spent more time on the Yard than at College Park.
Just sayin'.
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Interesting you mention someone who is able to score upwards of 14 goals per game... That might be a tough task and expectation, as only 8 teams in the country this year were able to consistently end the year averaging over 14 gpg. However one of those teams was Georgetown and Mike Phipps...
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SonnySide, are you saying Phipps is the man for the job? Or as part of a package?
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thatsmell wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 10:30 am Tillman has spent more time on the Yard than at College Park.
Just sayin'.
Pretty impressive run over 12 years at Navy during his assistant ('96-'01) & head assistant / OC ('02-'07) positions for Coach Meade rolling up a games W-L @ 104-63/.622 and W seasons @ 8 of 12/.666 record … including a solid Scoring O - Scoring D difference @ +3.3 for 2000-2007 to snag 4 NCAAT slots and 4 PLT championships with 4 PL regular season titles too.
https://umterps.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1606&path=mlax

Prior to Harvard, Tillman spent 12 seasons at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md. After six seasons as an assistant coach, he was promoted to head assistant coach and offensive coordinator prior to the 2002 season. From 2004 through 2007, Tillman helped lead the Midshipmen to the some of the most successful seasons in program history, including four straight NCAA tournament berths, four consecutive Patriot League tournament titles and four straight Patriot League regular season championships.

In 2004, with Tillman at the helm of the Navy offense, the Mids made a remarkable run through the NCAA tournament, defeating three Ivy League teams (Penn, Cornell and Princeton) en route to a spot in the national championship game. Tillman's offense was a key component of Navy's success that season, ranking third in the nation in scoring offense. Following the Mids' tremendous 2004 season, Tillman was awarded the first of his two Collegiate Lacrosse Assistant Coach of the Year Awards by the Maryland State Lacrosse Coaches Association.

During his 12 season at the Naval Academy, Tillman was responsible for helping develop first team All-America midfielders Graham Gill and Billy Looney and second team All-America attackman Jon Birsner. In his 12 seasons in Annapolis, the Mids compiled an overall record of 104-63.
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HealthyDebate wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 10:47 am Interesting you mention someone who is able to score upwards of 14 goals per game... That might be a tough task and expectation, as only 8 teams in the country this year were able to consistently end the year averaging over 14 gpg. However one of those teams was Georgetown and Mike Phipps...
SonnySide, are you saying Phipps is the man for the job? Or as part of a package?
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I am not really suggesting anything. Just pointing out that those stats met an important criteria mentioned by laxxy
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Follow the money (all quotes from news sources):

From 2017: Tillman earned a $52,500 bonus for leading the men’s team’s NCAA tournament run, including $25,000 for the title game victory. Tillman also received $12,500 for Maryland’s outright Big Ten regular season title and Big Ten tournament title. That tally came in addition to a base salary of $275,000 and supplemental annual income of $75,000. In total, Tillman earned $415,000.

From Maryland public employee database (Thank you Baltimore Sun): 2018 Jon Tillman : $389,000

Recently: Sowell, a native of upstate New York who was an All-American player at Washington College, was introduced as the eighth head men's lacrosse coach in Naval Academy history on June 9, 2011. The Capital reported at the time that Sowell's original contract made him one of the highest paid head coaches in Division I lacrosse with an annual salary in excess of $300,000.

Recently: “There is absolutely an ambition to hire someone who can take the next step with the program. We will conduct a national search and have no preconceived notions about which direction we are going,” <Gladchuk> said. “Navy men’s lacrosse is as well-resourced as any Division I program in the United States.”


I don't know if Sowell's extension was a raise.

Bottom Line: If money is going to break Tillman free from College Park, Navy <lax Alums> is going to have to jump pretty high.
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Dip&Dunk wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 12:53 pm Follow the money (all quotes from news sources):

From 2017: Tillman earned a $52,500 bonus for leading the men’s team’s NCAA tournament run, including $25,000 for the title game victory. Tillman also received $12,500 for Maryland’s outright Big Ten regular season title and Big Ten tournament title. That tally came in addition to a base salary of $275,000 and supplemental annual income of $75,000. In total, Tillman earned $415,000.

From Maryland public employee database (Thank you Baltimore Sun): 2018 Jon Tillman : $389,000

Recently: Sowell, a native of upstate New York who was an All-American player at Washington College, was introduced as the eighth head men's lacrosse coach in Naval Academy history on June 9, 2011. The Capital reported at the time that Sowell's original contract made him one of the highest paid head coaches in Division I lacrosse with an annual salary in excess of $300,000.

Recently: “There is absolutely an ambition to hire someone who can take the next step with the program. We will conduct a national search and have no preconceived notions about which direction we are going,” <Gladchuk> said. “Navy men’s lacrosse is as well-resourced as any Division I program in the United States.”


I don't know if Sowell's extension was a raise.

Bottom Line: If money is going to break Tillman free from College Park, Navy <lax Alums> is going to have to jump pretty high.
There was a time when I felt sorry for these coaches when the criticisms started piling up.....SO LONG TO THAT THINKING!!!!!$$$$$ :lol:
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Dip&Dunk wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 12:53 pm Follow the money (all quotes from news sources):

From 2017: Tillman earned a $52,500 bonus for leading the men’s team’s NCAA tournament run, including $25,000 for the title game victory. Tillman also received $12,500 for Maryland’s outright Big Ten regular season title and Big Ten tournament title. That tally came in addition to a base salary of $275,000 and supplemental annual income of $75,000. In total, Tillman earned $415,000.

From Maryland public employee database (Thank you Baltimore Sun): 2018 Jon Tillman : $389,000

Recently: Sowell, a native of upstate New York who was an All-American player at Washington College, was introduced as the eighth head men's lacrosse coach in Naval Academy history on June 9, 2011. The Capital reported at the time that Sowell's original contract made him one of the highest paid head coaches in Division I lacrosse with an annual salary in excess of $300,000.

Recently: “There is absolutely an ambition to hire someone who can take the next step with the program. We will conduct a national search and have no preconceived notions about which direction we are going,” <Gladchuk> said. “Navy men’s lacrosse is as well-resourced as any Division I program in the United States.”


I don't know if Sowell's extension was a raise.

Bottom Line: If money is going to break Tillman free from College Park, Navy <lax Alums> is going to have to jump pretty high.
NAA can pay that in a heartbeat.
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Sativa Specialist wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 1:30 pm
Dip&Dunk wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 12:53 pm Follow the money (all quotes from news sources):

From 2017: Tillman earned a $52,500 bonus for leading the men’s team’s NCAA tournament run, including $25,000 for the title game victory. Tillman also received $12,500 for Maryland’s outright Big Ten regular season title and Big Ten tournament title. That tally came in addition to a base salary of $275,000 and supplemental annual income of $75,000. In total, Tillman earned $415,000.

From Maryland public employee database (Thank you Baltimore Sun): 2018 Jon Tillman : $389,000

Recently: Sowell, a native of upstate New York who was an All-American player at Washington College, was introduced as the eighth head men's lacrosse coach in Naval Academy history on June 9, 2011. The Capital reported at the time that Sowell's original contract made him one of the highest paid head coaches in Division I lacrosse with an annual salary in excess of $300,000.

Recently: “There is absolutely an ambition to hire someone who can take the next step with the program. We will conduct a national search and have no preconceived notions about which direction we are going,” <Gladchuk> said. “Navy men’s lacrosse is as well-resourced as any Division I program in the United States.”


I don't know if Sowell's extension was a raise.

Bottom Line: If money is going to break Tillman free from College Park, Navy <lax Alums> is going to have to jump pretty high.
NAAA can pay that in a heartbeat.
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Happening, not wishful
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Re: Navy 2019

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No doubt that Coach Tillman would fit most, if not all, of the program's needs. His record as OC at Navy was impressive indeed. Same with his record as Head Coach at Maryland. Is he really available? Does he have something to prove at Maryland after the pipe goal? Is Navy his dream job or is it all about $$$ since NAAA is willing to pay?

Is past performance an indicator of future results? Maybe, but I am not convinced since there are many cases where past results have been hard to replicate in a new environment. I would caution against focusing too much on past performance since it might be a road map to disappointment. I am convinced that the next Navy Lacrosse Head Coach has huge potential upside with minimal downside. The only caveat would be the very high expectations that the glory days of a beloved former coach can be easily recaptured.

There seems to be one common theme emerging beyond some of the big time names offered up. Navy is unique so the best person might be someone with deep knowledge of USNA, either as a player and/or coach. There are probably others, like Phipps, but three names seem to stand out so far as good fits if the current front runner is an illusion.
Birsner - Not sure about recruiting and ignoring the results at VMI, but what about Coach Birsner? His ties to USNA and his credentials as a player and coach, including at NAPS, seem to fit.
Reppert - He seems to also fit, and he should be able to make the transition from OC to Head Coach.
Wellner - Similar to numerous other posts, I believe that interim Head Coach Wellner should have the 2020 season to prove himself.

Looking forward to seeing who is going to lead us forward.
Go Navy Lacrosse v.2020!
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Re: Navy 2019

Post by laxpere »

stupefied wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 10:01 pm Gonna be Tillman
stupefied wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 1:53 pm Happening, not wishful
Sure hope that you're right! Anyone moving with him? A twofer?

Go Navy Lacrosse v.2020
“The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.” Vince Lombardi
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are...." John Wooden
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